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Rollermacka 07-13-2010 03:16 PM

Should they bring back the piledriver?
 
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This guy Hail had a great stuff piledriver as they put it and I actually love that they refrence "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff. I'm not sure what the actual ruling on using piledrivers nowadays and I think the last person to use it was Eric Young for awhile (minus the Undertaker's tombstone piledriver). Rhyno had a sick spike piledriver in ECW, so did Mick Foley's pulling piledriver. Should they bring back the piledriver as a finisher?

CSL 07-13-2010 03:18 PM

Nope. Anything that cuts down on neck/spine injuries is good. Bringing it back isn't going to make any companies revenue better so it's fine being left as is, maybe only used to get an injury angle over or something.

bigslimjj 07-13-2010 03:22 PM

do you mean the song with Hulk Hogan and Koko B Ware?lol

VSG 07-13-2010 03:51 PM

No way!

dhellova guy 07-13-2010 04:32 PM

No. Safety first. There are thousands of other moves that people can do that wont possibly leave them in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.

Tazz Dan 07-13-2010 04:32 PM

Yes of course. We need more of this.

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Jordan 07-13-2010 04:41 PM

Yeah its a great move bring it back just don't use it all the time. It should be something Cena does to turn heel on Randy Orton

Nicky Fives 07-13-2010 05:03 PM

"They" should do alot of things, but none of them will happen.....

dronepool 07-13-2010 05:11 PM

Every now and then- Yes.

Swiss Ultimate 07-13-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3157314)
Nope. Anything that cuts down on neck/spine injuries is good. Bringing it back isn't going to make any companies revenue better so it's fine being left as is, maybe only used to get an injury angle over or something.

THIS.

If it ended a match I'd be cool (ie. 1 a match), but if it's just some mid-match type move that gets a two count, definitely not.

Testicle 07-13-2010 06:11 PM

Its still used in all companies not named WWE. They should use it very rarely as a special move, used by heels to get angles over. And only the regular piledriver.

The inverted piledriver that Owen Hart used in that video should never be done. It is near impossible to deliever safely.

Testicle 07-13-2010 06:12 PM

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Testicle 07-13-2010 06:13 PM

Kind of ironic that Austin broke Chono's neck with this move and then four years later has his own neck broken by it. Also both people that suffered the broken neck became much more over by being less capable in the ring and focused on their charecters instead.

Schlomey 07-13-2010 06:57 PM

Shawn Michaels used the piledriver sparingly all the way up through his last match.


Ring steps.

Xero 07-13-2010 07:00 PM

When did Shawn Michaels use the Piledriver post-2005?

SaskatchewanChamp 07-13-2010 07:24 PM

NO

Schlomey 07-13-2010 07:56 PM

on the undertaker at wrestlemania. Either this years or last.

Rammsteinmad 07-13-2010 08:01 PM

In defence of the Piledriver, for all the ones we see that go terribly wrong, there were hundreds that went off fine.

Personally I don't really care. Always thought it was a bit of a bland move anyway to be honest.

jskinnyg 07-13-2010 09:11 PM

YES The Scott Steiner Driver...

.44 Magdalene 07-14-2010 03:17 AM

I'd take thumbtacks before I took a piledriver, that's all I'm saying.

Jeritron 07-14-2010 03:27 AM

It's the same as blade jobs or unprotected chair shots. It's not neccessary. I have never and never will watch a match and think "that was great but it could have used a chairshot to the head or a piledriver."
Great storytelling is great storytelling, and moving past a couple of dangerous minor spots to protect the workers is not going to change this. In fact I view it as a good thing.

DaVe 07-14-2010 04:29 AM

lol good point, jeritron

Kind of ironic that Austin broke Chono's neck with this move and then four years later has his own neck broken by it. Also both people that suffered the broken neck became much more over by being less capable in the ring and focused on their charecters instead.

im calling bs on that. Austin was already ridiculously over in 1997 before his broken neck, and its not as if his character suddenly was much deeper after it - if anything, he lost depth in 98-99, imo.

RiX1024 07-14-2010 05:41 AM

yes and no, yes in every now and then matches but no due to risks of neck injuries.

Haze 07-14-2010 07:18 AM

Don't care either way...Like Jeritron said, it is not something that is "needed".

CSL 07-14-2010 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3158422)
It's the same as blade jobs or unprotected chair shots. It's not neccessary. I have never and never will watch a match and think "that was great but it could have used a chairshot to the head or a piledriver."
Great storytelling is great storytelling, and moving past a couple of dangerous minor spots to protect the workers is not going to change this. In fact I view it as a good thing.

I agree with the unprotected chair shots but blading has a place. The sight of Flair staggering around with pink hair or Austin gushing whilst in the sharpshooter are all things wrestling is better for them happening. They obviously weren't essential, Flair would still have been the man and Austin/Bret would have been fine without but it definitely 'added' to those things. The trick is in the timing.

Jeritron 07-14-2010 10:36 PM

I agree as well. I lumped blade jobs in, but didn't say the same about blade jobs in the quote because I have a bit of a different opinion on that. I didn't get into it further.

Blade jobs aren't nearly as dangerous or pointless as the other two banned spots. Blade jobs can add a ton to a match/story.
I am all for blade jobs in key situations, but they had gotten to a point where they were overused. A break from them may help. I think they should be used sparingly for the most intense situations.
I also think they should be done at the discretion of the wrestlers invovled, and not something that is a day at the office.

I do think they have a place but I also don't find myself being a bloodthirsty fan who wishes there was a bladejob in a great match.
I agree 100% about Flair, Austin, and other classic blade jobs. As you said, the trick is all in the timing. Just like any other gimmick or storytelling device it is best when used appropriately and not overdone.

whiteyford 07-15-2010 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 3157536)
THIS.

If it ended a match I'd be cool (ie. 1 a match), but if it's just some mid-match type move that gets a two count, definitely not.

If used sparingly, built up as something special to end a big match, then yes. But as a transition move it seems a waste. I always liked how someone would attempt it and have it reversed, made it seemed bigger when it was ever completed.

Mooияakeя™ 07-15-2010 06:44 PM

If it's done right, and both guys takes care, it's bang on the money and a great move. Fuck yes, bring it back.

Schlomey 07-15-2010 07:41 PM

If they bring it back we might get a few more Jerry Lawler matches per year.....1 reason to keep it retired.

Razzamajazz 07-15-2010 08:28 PM

i smell a new wwe gimmick ppv: the first person to deliver a pile driver wins the match

tna 07-15-2010 08:29 PM

Yes they should because i love seeing it!!!

Schlomey 07-15-2010 08:29 PM

or the first person to deliver a piledriver gets fired.


could be a long show.


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