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BizarroKing 07-15-2010 03:26 PM

Who should NOT have been made the champion?
 
Since we had a topic about people that should have been champions, I felt we should have a topic that covers the opposite: Who was a champion (any champion) that simply didn't deserve it
(examples could include: Not a good wrestler, wrong gimmick, too soon, etc)

So far, the only one I have is: David Arquette (self-explanatory)

bigslimjj 07-15-2010 03:47 PM

Jack Swagger

El Tigre 07-15-2010 04:33 PM

Honestly, R Truth as US champ should have never happened. His work up to to that point had been no more than average, and he only kept it for what a week? maybe 2? Their was no point for it.

I actually feel it's a shame though as I was a fan of his during his time in TNA and when 1st informed of his arrival in WWE I had high expectations. But he was more or less buried.

thedamndest 07-15-2010 04:34 PM

A lot of Divas but it's understandable especially with two belts.

Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2010 04:42 PM

The Great Khali as World Heavyweight Champion.

Providence Peep 07-15-2010 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Tigre (Post 3160626)
Honestly, R Truth as US champ should have never happened.

Why not? He's decent in the ring and hugely "over" with the crowd. What's Up?

Quote:

I actually feel it's a shame though as I was a fan of his during his time in TNA
The only thing I liked about him in TNA was the early days when he was the racist black guy and holding the TNA title bashing all the rednecks. His run in 3LK was decent, that angle had so much potential, but TNA...you know.

Biggz 07-15-2010 04:46 PM

Ric Flair winning the IC belt. He was already old, boring and washed up when he won it. I feel his 16 World titles should have been enough. When he held the IC title I felt he was taking away from the younger guys instead of trying to give back. He didn't need or deserve the IC belt in my opinion.

Nicky Fives 07-15-2010 05:04 PM

Flair & Piper winning The World Tag Titles.....

erictheking 07-15-2010 05:22 PM

bob backlund that time before kevin nask/diesel took it from him 24 hours later 0- waste of time aand made no sense

JimmyMess 07-15-2010 05:23 PM

Vince Russo... I don't care if he vacated it. It was ridiculous

jskinnyg 07-15-2010 05:30 PM

David Fucking Arquette...

bigslimjj 07-15-2010 05:35 PM

Stephanie as women's champ.

Schlomey 07-15-2010 05:38 PM

Kane. I mean they let him hold the belt for 24 hours. He is the star of many jokes because of this. It would have been better he not held the title at all.

jskinnyg 07-15-2010 05:43 PM

I agree totally Schlomey... It's absolutely horrible that VKM & CO. haven't let him hold the title for a good reign...

Schlomey 07-15-2010 05:45 PM

His character has never been about world titles or any title for that matter. He was blessed as tag champion with his brother Undertaker which serviced a few good storylines...But yeah, Kane didn't need and doesn't need a title to be relevant.


He realizes this it seems so good for him.

jskinnyg 07-15-2010 05:48 PM

He is the best worker and gets everyone over, and I am sure VKM pays him very well to do so... Probably the best example of this...

Then you have guys like the Goldusts, Finlays, Malenkos, Snows, Blackmanns, etc... They all worked their asses off too...

Mooияakeя™ 07-15-2010 05:49 PM

I don't count Arquette cos that's a fucking joke not to be believed.

Khali, Mysterio, Big Show, Batista (pretty much all times).. fuck even McMahon himself, although it did suit the feud and that was just mega over back then and it was 6 days!, Backlund in 94 too.

In recent times, Seamus and Swagger's reigns came too early imo. I'd have loved Miz in the title frame more than Seamus, especially with his mad "streak" thing with Cena a while back. That built him up nice. Seamus is not bad at all, just feel it was "rushed" and well ahead of time. Swagger, well, I like him, but I think there's not enough interest in him.

dhellova guy 07-15-2010 05:50 PM

Vince McMahon

Schlomey 07-15-2010 05:50 PM

Kane hasn't had a "push" in what feels like ages. Last time he got TV time was when See No Evil was coming out and honestly it was a big wash. May 13th anyone?

So yeah I 'm not a huge fan of his current schtick but glad he is getting time to be in a role.

blak23 07-15-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jskinnyg (Post 3160711)
David Fucking Arquette...

this trumps all

blak23 07-15-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooияakeя™ (Post 3160731)
I don't count Arquette cos that's a fucking joke not to be believed.

Khali, Mysterio, Big Show, Batista (pretty much all times).. fuck even McMahon himself, although it did suit the feud and that was just mega over back then and it was 6 days!, Backlund in 94 too.

In recent times, Seamus and Swagger's reigns came too early imo. I'd have loved Miz in the title frame more than Seamus, especially with his mad "streak" thing with Cena a while back. That built him up nice. Seamus is not bad at all, just feel it was "rushed" and well ahead of time. Swagger, well, I like him, but I think there's not enough interest in him.

i didn't mind bats first reign

Schlomey 07-15-2010 06:06 PM

Swagger would have been better off winning money in the bank, cashing it in and LOSING & then turn this massive heel attacking the champion ....that way he would have had some massive heel heat before an inevitable title run....not that out of the blue (Superstars) title reign.

Rev. Hallowell 07-15-2010 06:33 PM

If you believe the IWC:

John Cena, Triple H, Big Show, Undertaker, Kane, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Khali, and anybody currently holding a title because he's not Daniel McBryanson.

Schlomey 07-15-2010 06:35 PM

this response is specially guarded ONLY for situations like this....So Rev. Hallowell....


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Favre4Ever 07-15-2010 08:25 PM

Mysterio's first run was a sham. If they weren't going to do it right, I would have preferred them to not have done it at all.

MoFo 07-15-2010 08:32 PM

Kevin Nash as any champ ever, the shittiest lazist wrestler ever FFS

also Yokozuna was a fat piece of shit and was fucking horrible as champ

Savio 07-15-2010 08:34 PM

Rey Mysterio

Fox 07-15-2010 09:03 PM

JBL - just because he's one of Vince's old boys, Bradshaw gets the push of the lifetime seemingly out of thin air. It seriously seemed like it happened over night. One minute he's this fat, Texas redneck in a cowboy hat carrying a cowbell on a rope, and the next he's this slick New York asshole who can actually talk. Anyways, as much as I enjoyed JBL from time to time, I never felt he deserved to carry the WWE Championship; especially considering he took it from Eddie Guerrero. Imagine if it had been Eddie as Champion against the rising star of John Cena? A heel Latino Heat and a still-hot Cena? Yeah. That should've happened.

Cuse8 07-15-2010 09:20 PM

the mountie as IC champ..held it for 24 hrs then piper beat him at royal rumble

XCaliber 07-15-2010 11:43 PM

Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

Damian Rey 07-16-2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XCaliber (Post 3161333)
Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

Maybe but the thing with Lesnar is that he got insanely over in a very short amount of time. They booked him to be dominant from the get go, going over the Hardys, RVD, etc.

It's not as if he entered the title picture without any heat form the crowd or any buildup, unlike Sheamus and Swagger, who were just inserted into the title picture at the most random of times.

Swiss Ultimate 07-16-2010 11:26 AM

Anyone who they weren't willing to let main-event Raw.

(Big Show's title "run")

Kane Knight 07-16-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 3160997)
JBL - just because he's one of Vince's old boys, Bradshaw gets the push of the lifetime seemingly out of thin air. It seriously seemed like it happened over night. One minute he's this fat, Texas redneck in a cowboy hat carrying a cowbell on a rope, and the next he's this slick New York asshole who can actually talk. Anyways, as much as I enjoyed JBL from time to time, I never felt he deserved to carry the WWE Championship; especially considering he took it from Eddie Guerrero. Imagine if it had been Eddie as Champion against the rising star of John Cena? A heel Latino Heat and a still-hot Cena? Yeah. That should've happened.

JBL worked mostly because he was against Eddie. Eddie could get a good match out of a shit wrestler, and bradshaw was a shit wrestler.

Anyway, it was a bad idea which did really come from the fact that Vince liked him.

Kane Knight 07-16-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XCaliber (Post 3161333)
Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

Damian Rey 07-16-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3161880)
Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

This. I don't get how anybody could say he was pushed too quickly when he was not only put over legitimate talent, but actually got over with the crowd PRIOR to getting the title.

Schlomey 07-16-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3161880)
Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

:y:

The Pope 07-16-2010 12:17 PM

Sheamus

Schlomey 07-16-2010 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect (Post 3161908)
Sheamus

:n:

Providence Peep 07-16-2010 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3161880)
Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Brock had stayed in the WWE, he would have been even bigger. The only thing that probably would have held Brock back and probably did hold Brock back was his lack of passion. A WWE Superstar needs to have passion to excel. That's the key, IMO, and let's face it - it's one of the reasons why John Cena is so popular in the WWE Universe.

However, Brock WAS a breath of fresh air at the time and he delivered. He showed incredible in-ring psychology, physical ability, and athleticism in all of his matches. He had the look that was menacing and intimidating. He had a finisher that was unique and devastating. His intensity was unrivaled. I don't agree with the person who said Brock shouldn't have been the champion.

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Schlomey 07-16-2010 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3160927)
Kevin Nash as any champ ever, the shittiest lazist wrestler ever FFS

also Yokozuna was a fat piece of shit and was fucking horrible as champ

Re: Kevin Nash - His original run in WWF as Diesel I was 10-12 years old. I loved this guy. I have not gone back and rewatched anything from his title reigns but I assume I'd still enjoy his work.

He did get lazy in WCW because he could be. He could talk & get over with his gimmick. Once the writing aspect got lazy he never really did step it up. Dunno why other than you may be correct that he is just lazy all together.

In TNA I haven't seen him wrestle yet. He still looks damn good as of last night and am enjoying seeing him come out with some actual emotion and not that "is he high" look all over his face. Time will tell if he gets into it again or not. It's take it or leave it for right now.


But saying that he shouldn't have been champ in WWF is what I disagree with. As a child I could not have agreed more with the WWF's decision to put the title on him.





Re: Yokozuna - He was over. Big time. He had a hated heel manager and the biggest mouthpiece in the company behind him in Jim Cornette. He made a good monster trans champion. Glad he never held the title as a face because that could have and would have been a train wreck. But for his time period and his character it was the only perfect timing for him to get a title reign in in his life / career.


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