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1up 11-26-2010 01:44 PM

Should WWE bring back the King of the Ring PPV?
 
Instead of doing these crappy ass events on Raw!. Should they bring back the original King of the Ring concept pay per view?. In my eyes I think so it was a lot entertaining back around the 1996 era... It also made Austin Famous :D

Shadrick 11-26-2010 02:11 PM

Yes. As long as they do it correctly, whereas it actually leads to a push, and not just some arbitrary title to give someone.

MoFo 11-26-2010 02:57 PM

Rather have that than any of these shitty gimmick PPV's anyway.

Xero 11-26-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadrick (Post 3335313)
Yes. As long as they do it correctly, whereas it actually leads to a push, and not just some arbitrary title to give someone.

To be fair, Regal fucked up that push.

Ultra Mantis 11-26-2010 03:02 PM

Wouldn't mind at all if going forward they replaced the TLC PPV with King of the Ring.

1up 11-26-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 3335343)
Wouldn't mind at all if going forward they replaced the TLC PPV with King of the Ring.

What he said. but also didn't King Booker fuck it up to?

Xero 11-26-2010 03:30 PM

Booker won the title after winning KOTR...

Cuzziebro 11-26-2010 04:10 PM

Short answer: YES! Long answer:YES YES YES YES YES YES!
I think you know what I mean.

DLVH84 11-26-2010 04:21 PM

Definitely. Cut back the PPVs to five...Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, King Of The Ring, SummerSlam, and Survivor Series. And bring back Saturday Night's Main Event and/or The Main Event for the months they have no PPVs.

thedamndest 11-26-2010 04:27 PM

Cutting back to five loses a lot of money so it is not going to happen.

It's better on Raw. It gives them a chance to focus on eight guys who wouldn't all normally be on a PPV in singles matches. The prestige of a PPV isn't real anyway. After all, the guy has won the same tournament.

Shadrick 11-26-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3335339)
To be fair, Regal fucked up that push.

I meant in general, though.

Xero 11-26-2010 04:46 PM

In general, the KOTR generally gets a push.

Nicky Fives 11-26-2010 04:50 PM

They should bring it back..... a 64 Man Tournament with Qualifying, 1st Round & 2nd Round Matches airing on Raw, Smackdown & Superstars in the weeks leading to the PPV and the Quarters & Semis occuring on the PPV itself.....

Xero 11-26-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 3335446)
They should bring it back..... a 64 Man Tournament with Qualifying, 1st Round & 2nd Round Matches airing on Raw, Smackdown & Superstars in the weeks leading to the PPV and the Quarters & Semis occuring on the PPV itself.....

I wouldn't do a 64 man tournament for the King of the Ring. Maybe for a world title.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1up (Post 3335345)
What he said. but also didn't King Booker fuck it up to?

I'd almost go as far as to say that King Booker used winning the tournament to his advantage better than anybody else who ever won it.

As far as the PPV, it would be cool, but I'm just happy it's around in any capacity. Raw is fine.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 04:52 PM

Are there even 64 workers on regular TV?

Xero 11-26-2010 04:54 PM

WWE has like 85 wrestlers on the roster, not including announcers and non-wrestlers. Maybe 75-80 after females.

Savio 11-26-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3335336)
Rather have that than any of these shitty gimmick PPV's anyway.

WWE presents Tables Match

Jeritron 11-26-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadrick (Post 3335435)
I meant in general, though.

The last 5 King of the Ring winners were Kurt Angle, Edge, Brock Lesnar, Booker T, and William Regal.
They all led to main event pushes, including Regal's, but he failed a drug test.

What are you people talking about?

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3335451)
WWE has like 85 wrestlers on the roster, not including announcers and non-wrestlers. Maybe 75-80 after females.

Well if there WERE to be a 64 person tournament, I think King of the Ring would be better than a World title tournament unless all 64 people seemed like they deserved a shot at the title.

Jeritron 11-26-2010 04:58 PM

In general, though. Like Bret, Owen, Stone Cold, Triple H

Savio 11-26-2010 05:00 PM

totally forgot Shamrock won

Xero 11-26-2010 05:00 PM

I only think that to go through 64 guys JUST for the KOTR is a bit much without something else on the line. The same can be said about the Rumble in terms of jobbers not deserving to main event Mania.

Though thinking about it, it would give someone a huge rub for winning that many rounds and give matches actual meaning, so I guess it wouldn't be all bad.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:01 PM

The only "iffy" Kings of the Ring that I can remember are Mabel and Billy Gunn. Ken Shamrock should have maybe done more, but it didn't feel weird when he won it.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3335458)
I only think that to go through 64 guys JUST for the KOTR is a bit much without something else on the line. The same can be said about the Rumble in terms of jobbers not deserving to main event Mania.

Though thinking about it, it would give someone a huge rub for winning that many rounds and give matches actual meaning, so I guess it wouldn't be all bad.

There are Royal Rumble qualifying matches these days though, so the LOWEST jobbers don't even really get into the match anymore (which I am a fan of). But even with what you're saying, they start to get spread a little thin with just 30 people. I couldn't imagine who'd be jobbing in the first round of a 64 person tourney. Probably Justin Roberts or somebody.

Xero 11-26-2010 05:04 PM

The first round would take a month by itself with 32 matches. It's not really feasible time-wise, either, when you consider how much storyline advancement they need to make with non-KOTR feuds.

Unless they made it this year-long build, which could be pretty epic.

Xero 11-26-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3335462)
There are Royal Rumble qualifying matches these days though, so the LOWEST jobbers don't even really get into the match anymore (which I am a fan of). But even with what you're saying, they start to get spread a little thin with just 30 people. I couldn't imagine who'd be jobbing in the first round of a 64 person tourney. Probably Justin Roberts or somebody.

True, but they DO have at least 64 on the main roster (not including females, announcers, etc), and they could include some FCW guys as a form of introducing them to WWE.

Jeritron 11-26-2010 05:07 PM

Yea, Shamrock winning it didn't pan out but at the time they were making an effort to push him.
Hindsight is easy to say he shouldn't have won it, but at the time they definitely felt he could have used it. The Rock could have won it, but he clearly didn't need it as much.

As for Billy Gunn, he didn't pan out either, but again they were definitely making an effort to push him.
He went on to have a Summerslam program with The Rock after that. Enough said.
In hindsight, I still am not sure there was a better candidate than him that year.
It was a transitional period, and the Angle/Jericho wave hadn't come in yet.
The only other plausible choices that year were probably X-Pac and Road Dogg, tbh.

The "flukes" are definitely exceptions to the general rule that KOTR winners are usually main event bound. But even then, they definitely make an effort rather than just intentionally throwing it away.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:09 PM

Even Mabel was put into Summerslam's main event, but I'm still petitioning to have that PPV stricken from the record books.

Jeritron 11-26-2010 05:10 PM

Notice I didn't try to defend that one

Xero 11-26-2010 05:11 PM

Sorry, that can't happen because Michaels/Razor II was on that PPV.

Shadrick 11-26-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3335454)
The last 5 King of the Ring winners were Kurt Angle, Edge, Brock Lesnar, Booker T, and William Regal.
They all led to main event pushes, including Regal's, but he failed a drug test.

What are you people talking about?

I wasn't talking about PEOPLE specifically or referring to anyone in particular. I was saying that if it came back after being away for so long, it would need to actually mean a real push and not just some "label" to give a guy that they give up on in 2 weeks later.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3335474)
Sorry, that can't happen because Michaels/Razor II was on that PPV.

*THROWS OUT BATH WATER*

What baby?

Jeritron 11-26-2010 05:13 PM

I honestly don't think there's ever been any evidence to support them doing that though

Xero 11-26-2010 05:14 PM

I think it's a "WWE doesn't do anything right anymore so they won't do this right" type of thing.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:14 PM

What I liked about Booker T's win was that he continued to incorporate the 'king' gimmick long after the tournament was over. Not everybody did that. Owen Hart did to an extent. King Mabel did, but it sucked. Booker T made it work pretty well, I thought.

Does William Regal's titantron still say "2008 King of the Ring"?

Xero 11-26-2010 05:15 PM

Yes, lol.

Anybody Thrilla 11-26-2010 05:17 PM

I wish more people had past accomplishments in their titantrons. Triple H's could say "FORMER EUROPEAN CHAMPION" or something.

Shadrick 11-26-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3335480)
I honestly don't think there's ever been any evidence to support them doing that though

In the past, yeah. But nowadays the E frequently pushes guys and then falls back....then pushes another guy and then falls back on him...

If they were to bring it back, and have, lets say, Kofi win it, I'd want them to go full out with the push, and not just stop the push the minute he misses a spot with Orton again, ya know?

The allure of it being KotR would mean so much more, and much more exciting if as a fan you KNEW it would create a new star, or thrust a guy towards the main event, similar to how the Royal Rumble USED to be.

Xero 11-26-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3335488)
I wish more people had past accomplishments in their titantrons. Triple H's could say "FORMER EUROPEAN CHAMPION" or something.

Hornswoggle's should say "Longest-reigning Cruiserweight Champion".

I'm sure he has the record by now.


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