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Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 12:05 PM

You know who's a big fat jobber? CM Punk
 
Czech it. Remember when Punk and Jeff Hardy had that awesomely amazing feud and we were all like oh my god this is so awesome and amazing? Remember when he beat the Undertaker in the main event of a PPV? That was at Breaking Point in September 2009, about 19 months ago.

Well guess how many PPV matches CM Punk has won since then. What? No, you idiot, that's a terrible guess. The correct answer is one. Punk has competed in 15 PPV matches since then and has a respectable 1-14 win/loss record (a slick 0.067 win percentage). His lone victory came against Rey Mysterio at Extreme Rules 2010. You history buffs out there will note that this was of course sandwiched between a loss to Mysterio at WrestleMania 26 and a loss to Mysterio at Over the Limit 2010 that resulted in Punk being shaved bald.

So let's all discuss our favorite jobber to the stars.

SlickyTrickyDamon 04-04-2011 12:12 PM

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Nah I'm just kidding. If CM Punk's record means anything it means that win-loss records don't really mean shit. Sure he's lost but hes been impressive in defeat.

He's had great matches and great moments like the Royal Rumble in 2010. He was pretty damn good on the announce squad, so he's proven to be versatile. He's been booked with the only Superstar who remembers things that happened years ago. I think he needs to get the stain of the Nexus off of him and be on his own as a Straight Edge Savior.

Snowden 04-04-2011 12:20 PM

He's a not-so-poor man's Jericho...he can stay over regardless of his win/loss record.

Attitude99 04-04-2011 12:20 PM

1-14 ? Holy Crap

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 12:21 PM

Now granted a lot of those matches were not 1 on 1 and they include two Rumbles, but isn't it interesting all the same

whiteyford 04-04-2011 12:26 PM

Knew it was bad didnt realise how bad though. He loses but at least he isnt jobbed out in squashes, can see him being used like Jericho always around the main event even if its just to get others over.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 12:33 PM

Comparatively, in that same time period

Santino has 2 PPV wins
R-Truth has 4
Jack Swagger has 4

hmmmm

Jordan 04-04-2011 12:35 PM

You know it's fake right? Who cares about win-lose records, it's not even wrestling anymore. Get a grip, get with the times, and try to enjoy it more than critique it and you'll have more fun.

MoFo 04-04-2011 12:42 PM

Punk is tedious anyway, so he should be a jobber.

Wish he was on commentary still.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 3484383)
You know it's fake right? Who cares about win-lose records, it's not even wrestling anymore. Get a grip, get with the times, and try to enjoy it more than critique it and you'll have more fun.


You're right man. Please direct me to the post where I was critical and I will change it for you.

SlickyTrickyDamon 04-04-2011 12:46 PM

Does NXT still track the win-loss record of their rookies? It bothered me when they did it for Season 1.

whiteyford 04-04-2011 12:49 PM

Think Grisham does, dont think its really brought up as much though.

Jordan 04-04-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3484392)
You're right man. Please direct me to the post where I was critical and I will change it for you.

Yeah okay... I guess I said that because I reading so much harsh critique of WM last night and I enjoyed it, my bad.

XCaliber 04-04-2011 01:16 PM

At least he gents plenty of PPV chances unlike DiBiase.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 01:17 PM

If anything, Punk deserves a buttload of credit for keeping his character fresh and relevant despite not going over in any of his feuds since Hardy in summer 2009.

HBPunk 04-04-2011 01:22 PM

If the rock, steve austin and hhh had run in during the main event lastnight, tore cena to shreads and began a feud with him where they beat the shit outta him for the next month or two, you would get some bell end in here giving out immediately. iv said it many times but some wrestling fans only watch to complain, its sad but they are the ones who suffer in the end when they're 80 and dribbling all over themselves in an old folks home with nobody in the world to love them.

Kane Knight 04-04-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3484380)
Comparatively, in that same time period

Santino has 2 PPV wins
R-Truth has 4
Jack Swagger has 4

hmmmm

Does that make them smaller, thinner jobbers?

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 01:59 PM

I dunno. Swagger's pretty chunky.

Fox 04-04-2011 05:10 PM

It doesn't matter that he loses so much - in fact, if anything, it's awesome that he can be booked to lose so many matches and yet still be in a position where he can feud with basically anyone and will elevate the feud simply by being who he is. Punk has all the skills of a great wrestler and is always one of the main highlights of RAW. Losing matches doesn't mean a thing for Punk, because next month he could be in the WWE Title scene and win the thing and he'd still be taken as a credible contender/champion. He's got that thing going for him and he's still relatively early in his WWE career.

Razzamajazz 04-04-2011 06:12 PM

so cm punk is doing his job as a heel by getting the faces over? what's the issue?

Emperor Smeat 04-04-2011 07:34 PM

It might seem odd but Punk has been winning a lot of tv and/or house show matches which helps keep his credibility as a threat in any feud he's been involved.

Unlike MVP when he had his long loosing streak, Punk's promo ability is strong enough to keep him relevant even while loosing almost all the big matches.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-04-2011 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razzamajazz (Post 3484528)
so cm punk is doing his job as a heel by getting the faces over? what's the issue?

I don't know. Do you see an issue? No? K. Let's all settle down then. Not every thread has to be complaining about a guy's spot on the roster.

Take a chill pill, Wrestling Forum.

St. Jimmy 04-04-2011 08:45 PM

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BigDaddyCool 04-05-2011 01:32 AM

Fuck wrestling forum, you guys are a bunch of nit picky bastards that arguing the wrong thing. Supreme isnt say CM Punk is a waste of antlered spot. He is pointing out a statistic for the sake of it.

Lux 04-05-2011 08:56 AM

thank you for clearing that one up...

job: stating the obvious. HIRED.

Shadrick 04-05-2011 11:15 AM

Honestly Supreme, this is a very interesting statistic that you brought up, I didn't realize it until now.

Just goes to show that Punk is over enough, talented enough, and has enough presence to still show that he can be a threat to WHOEVER on the roster as a main eventer without having to go over every single time.

Xero 04-05-2011 11:15 AM

Punk is definitely much like Jericho. He never loses steam with losses.

Savio 04-05-2011 11:26 AM

But he beat cena 3 times

JimmyMess 04-05-2011 11:30 AM

Maybe I'm crazy... but isn't a jobber a guy who just usually gets squashed in a match constantly?.... Its not like Punk goes out there and gets completely buried when he loses.... and at the end of a "season" there isn't a wins/losses statistic anyways.

There is a reason no one noticed this stat until now... its not a detrimental factor. The people are more interested in the story and how it evolves than the win/loss count.

Phenomenal 1 04-05-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 3484383)
You know it's fake right? Who cares about win-lose records, it's not even wrestling anymore. Get a grip, get with the times, and try to enjoy it more than critique it and you'll have more fun.

Yeah we all know its fake but get the idea through your head that their is an entertainment value and story telling aspect of the business. In order to draw the fans in and make the fans believe in their super-heroish favorite superstar, especially drawing to the younger demographic of 8-13 year olds which WWE is now geared towards, they have to make the wrestlers (i refuse to call them superstars) believable that they can beat the villian or make it believable that the villain can beat their hero. Its the age old wrestling tale of good vs evil and even though the traditional story telling method used in the 80's and early 90's is dead, the premise still exists.

St. Jimmy 04-05-2011 09:14 PM

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Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2011 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyMess (Post 3485191)
Maybe I'm crazy... but isn't a jobber a guy who just usually gets squashed in a match constantly?.... Its not like Punk goes out there and gets completely buried when he loses.... and at the end of a "season" there isn't a wins/losses statistic anyways.

There is a reason no one noticed this stat until now... its not a detrimental factor. The people are more interested in the story and how it evolves than the win/loss count.

Thanks for your thoughts, guy who's still taking this seriously.

DAMN iNATOR 04-07-2011 10:44 AM

I have to say, given how completely dominant Orton looked in matches against new Nexus members on RAW leading up to his Mania match with Punk, I was pretty disappointed that Punk didn't end up completely dominating and winning at Mania.

Small gripe for one of the better matches at Mania this year though.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-02-2011 11:45 AM

**UPDATE**

1-15

Ermaximus 05-02-2011 11:50 AM

I wonder what his record with fucking the divas is?

XL 05-02-2011 12:04 PM

Clean sweep.

Innovator 05-02-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ermaximus (Post 3512721)
I wonder what his record with fucking the divas is?

He's got a Goldberg style streak

Londoner 05-02-2011 01:14 PM

He'll never win on PPV again. :(

Haze 05-02-2011 01:18 PM

It's amazing that the writers haven't picked up on this, and worked it into an angle.

Londoner 05-02-2011 01:23 PM

Well, its not that amazing.


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