What are the odds Cena will break Flair's record?
 

Ric Flair is recognized as a 16 time world champion. By my count, Cena is now a 13 time world champ. It doesn't look like HHH is gonna get those last few title runs (but we never know), what are the odds that Cena is gonna be the one to be the new 17+ time world champion?

50/50.

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Nah, he will.

Yeah he will, unless he bows out of wrestling within the next year to do acting or something or has to retire through injury at some point. He's only 34 so he's got around another 6 years or so to pick up 4 more title reigns. Pretty certain it will happen.

Cena's got this, but I really do think Flair will just get more TNA titles to make up for it, which is ridiculous and funny.

I'm surprised Flair hasn't won the TNA title yet.

Oh, without a doubt.

I was certain Triple H would do it but then he didn't. Then I was certain Edge would do it but then he didn't.

That being said, I am certain Cena will do it.

I remember back in the day when WWF fans were worried about the 5 title curse. Hogan and Bret both left the company after their 5th title reign and people were worried about something happening to Austin and Rock when they got to #5.

We've come a long way, baby.

I think he will. Cena is on 13 and he is far from done with his career. It is only a matter of time. He will be a 20x champion at the very least.

The way they're throwing the belt around lately, probably by the end of 2012.

Provided Cena doesn't get sick or injured like Edge, then it's almost a certainty.

That's what I was thinking, its only Sept and Cena has already been won the title 3 times if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Cena is a better champion.

I think at one point WWE/Vince may have respected Flair enough not to have anyone break the 16.

With Flair renegging on his retirement - therefore shitting on the fantastic send-off they gave him - and signing with TNA/further tarnishing his legacy, WWE/Vince have lost that respect.

Therefore, I can only see Cena breaking the 16.

What is Flair's current relationship with the WWE? Are they pissed about his move to TNA and his comeback?

My question is really: are they pissed enough at Flair to want to make Cena champ more times just to 1up Flair's achievement?

They probably care very little.

I'm not saying they'd do it to spite Flair, but they wouldn't not do it because of Flair. In the past they may have been reluctant to do it as it's a huge marketing thing for selling Flair, they don't need to do that now, so...

I gathered what you were saying, I was suggesting it.

It is amazing how many times Cena has won it, and how many cumulative days he's held it for compared to some of the legends of wrestling.

I wouldn't be suprised if he surpasses Flair by the end of the year.

Barring any searious injury, it is almost a given at this point.

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Cena is going to be a 50 time Champion by the time he retires.

its not if hes going to do it, its when

Neither Edge nor Trips were the faces of the company in an era where title runs are tossed around like used condoms at a porn shoot, though.

Anyway, I was mostly certain about Trips, too. Not gonna lie. I still didn't know if they'd want to touch Flair's legacy, though.

Still, the number will be played as significant, which is what we're talking about.

Hoenstly, so do I.

Anyway, I think the only ways Cena doesn't do it are:

-Death/serious injury
-Major wellness violation
-MAJOR change in the fan base.

I don't think any of them are likely, so he's probably going to sixteen...Then twenty....Then thirty....

At this rate, definitely.

I don't see how it isn't possible..... he loses the Title and wins it back every 3 months.....

Even though he is only 9 time champion at this point, I see Randy Orton eventually beating Flair as well. Especially now that he is on his own show and does not have to compete with John Cena.

I would've sworn Triple H would break Flair's record before anyone. Now, I'm not sure if he'll even get there at all.

My how things have changed in the course of a few years. Back in '08 it seemed a given that Triple H would of achieved breaking Flair's record. Now it's (not suprisingly) Cena who is destined to be that man.

Yeah, I can see SmackDown being a series of Orton versus "Threat of the Moment" where he'll lose the belt (as he has to Christian and now Henry) but win it back at the end of the series for the forseeable future.

He will break it within 1-2 more years especially considering this year alone he won it 3 times and a lot of time left until Mania occurs next year. I doubt Orton will also break Flair's record but he will be very close.

Would winning the TNA title count as a major title though because its usually been just the NWA, WCW, and WWF/E that were seen as counting towards the record. The TNA title is around the same level as the original ECW title and if all titles were counted, then Lawler surpasses Flair by a lot.

Triple has come out and said he didn't want to surpass Flair's number of reigns and I wouldn't be suprised if he ends up holding Cena back so he's just 1 shy of even tying it.

I agree with this. Once upon a time, they might have tried to avoid it; but not now. Cena loses the title when it is convenient to create a stir, and then wins it back because he's the standard-bearer. It's a formula that I don't see changing anytime soon.

Cena is currently at 1046 total days spent as WWE Champion, for the record. Divide this by the ten times he won the title, and you're looking at an average of 104.6 days per reign. This is greater than Stone Cold Steve Austin's average, Triple H's average, and more than double The Rock's. Cena's done statistically worse with the World Heavyweight Title. It brings his average down to about 96 days per reign, but his average is still better than Triple H's believe it or not.

Also, if you combine time spent as WWE Champion and World Heavyweight Champion together, then Cena is just four days off from trying Triple H's time spent as a thirteen-time World Champion with just twelve reigns.

Shame nobody watches Chavos matches to see that happen then.

Odds are pretty good and with the way title change hands nowadays it'll probably happen within a year or two.

The last thing I want to tell my kids or grandkids is that John Cena was the best wrestler in my era.

Well, he is.