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Rollermacka 09-29-2011 11:22 AM

1-10 How big of a star was Bret?
 
Gertner brought this up, on a scale of 1-10 how big of a star would you have considered Bret? Was he on the same level as Hogan, Macho, Flair, Sting durring the early 90s. What about Rock, Austin, HBK, in the late 90s, and how does he compare to someone like Punk or Cena today?

Gertner 09-29-2011 11:26 AM

Internationally 10, in the U.S 7.

Bret's not as big a star as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Sting, Savage.

He's a second tier level star. Bret thinks he's up there with Hogan and Austin, but he's not. Reason: mediocre at best on the mic.

I'd put him on the level with Nash in terms of drawing power. Obviously he's a better in ring worker, but what big gate has Bret ever drawn in the U.S? The WWF was losing badly to WCW when he was main eventing, and the switch from Gee golly shucks Bret to the Attitude era after Bret left for WCW boosted WWF and sunk WCW when Bret was there. Half of Bret's problem was Bret being booked poorly in WCW. but the other half was Bret just not being that big of draw in the U.S, which hurt Bret because WCW for the most part stayed in the U.S as opposed to WWF where Bret draw big numbers in Canada and England.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 11:32 AM

I'd say 8. Bret was known worldwide, but unfortunately he was the #1 guy of a company during it's lowest run.

If Bret had been in WWE during the Attitude Era things could have been very different. But none-the-less, WWF at it's lowest point in the 90's was still pretty big worldwide.

Maybe Hart isn't on that 'Elite' list of wrestlers that can be counted on one hand (Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc), but I do think he was a big star back in the day.

RP 09-29-2011 11:32 AM

1

Sucked balls

Triple Naitch 09-29-2011 11:33 AM

8. Probably the greatest technician of all time but never had the mainstream appeal of Rock, Hogan, or Austin.

Gertner 09-29-2011 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3641414)
I'd say 8. Bret was known worldwide, but unfortunately he was the #1 guy of a company during it's lowest run.

If Bret had been in WWE during the Attitude Era things could have been very different. But none-the-less, WWF at it's lowest point in the 90's was still pretty big worldwide.

Maybe Hart isn't on that 'Elite' list of wrestlers that can be counted on one hand (Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc), but I do think he was a big star back in the day.

Bret wouldn't have went along with the Attitude Era way of doing things. He would have held the company back.

RP 09-29-2011 11:34 AM

I think he wore those glasses so guys could see the way there balls rest in his mouth

RP 09-29-2011 11:38 AM

I think Brett wore pink because he thought the cum wouldn't show during a black light test.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3641417)
Bret wouldn't have went along with the Attitude Era way of doing things. He would have held the company back.

I dunno... a lot of his later WWF stuff was very Attitude-esque.

RP 09-29-2011 11:47 AM

The Sharpshooter wasn't always the name of Brett s submission finisher. Originally it was called Stu's Clues.

JimmyMess 09-29-2011 11:50 AM

He's a 10 because everyone knows who he is (within wrestling and the general public) and that he is a famous wrestler. That is just one reason.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 11:51 AM

To be fair, he did appear on The Simpsons. That's gotta have some kinda pop-culture significance.

Nicky Fives 09-29-2011 11:52 AM

6 in America
10 in Canada
9 Worldwide

I don't think his popularity in the US was anywhere near Austin/Rock levels, but when Bret was on top, wrestling was at a far lower point than The Attitude Era. It was just escaping the "cartoon/over the top characters" and heading towards HBK's New Generation," but no matter the era, Bret will always be looked at as one of the most technical superstars of all-time, along with Angle, Benoit, Jericho, et al.

JimmyMess 09-29-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3641433)
To be fair, he did appear on The Simpsons. That's gotta have some kinda pop-culture significance.

That.

The MAC 09-29-2011 12:10 PM

bret is a solid 10.

if you think any less you don't know what you are talking about.

jskinnyg 09-29-2011 12:22 PM

I give Bret a 12 in Canada and an 8.5 here in the US... He was a 10 in the US until Rock, Austin, etc. came along...

Shisen Kopf 09-29-2011 12:22 PM

He is the biggest Canadian rassler of all time. So with that said, he's a 5 because canada only counts as half a USA!

jskinnyg 09-29-2011 12:22 PM

That being said, I hate him...

Xero 09-29-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 3641435)
6 in America
10 in Canada
9 Worldwide

I'd agree with this. Maybe a 7 in the US. He was a solid main eventer, but I never saw him among the Austins, Rocks and Hogans. Worldwide he was more popular, though, and in Canada he is a God, pretty much. But that's only because Canada has a lot of pride in their guys. If Bret wasn't Canadian he'd probably be equal with the US.

Jari 09-29-2011 02:24 PM

Bret is a solid 7.

If you think he's a 10, then you're probably one of those uber defensive Bret Hart marks.

James Steele 09-29-2011 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jari (Post 3641550)
Bret is a solid 7.

If you think he's a 10, then you're probably one of those uber defensive Bret Hart marks.

:y:

Lock Jaw 09-29-2011 02:36 PM

7 in America.

7000 in Canada.

CSL 09-29-2011 02:43 PM

9. He's not Hogan, Austin, Rock but he's still one of the "most famous"/biggest ever.

evilution78 09-29-2011 02:46 PM

He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 03:05 PM

Bret is a 10 forever, and I love him. I am also a Bret Hart mark, so fuck you guys.

How many times has Hulk Hogan appeared on Lonesome Dove? That's right. Fucking ZERO.

Xero 09-29-2011 03:07 PM

How many theater-released movies has Bret Hart starred in?

CSL 09-29-2011 03:23 PM

how many theatre-released movie star wrestlers were in every single episode of a world famous multi-multi-season Emmy, Peabody and Grammy award winning TV show?

Xero 09-29-2011 03:38 PM

3.

Jari 09-29-2011 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilution78 (Post 3641571)
He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3

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Xero 09-29-2011 03:52 PM

He is EVILUTION78, you are like the buzzing of flies to him!

dhellova guy 09-29-2011 04:00 PM

Solid 8. 8 is respectable.

Lara Emily 09-29-2011 04:04 PM

I would like the point out that if Bret was Main Eventing during the low days of the WWF then so was HBK, just for the record.

Anyway:

US: 8
Canada; 7 million
Worldwide: 10

Jari 09-29-2011 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3641623)
I would like the point out that if Bret was Main Eventing during the low days of the WWF then so was HBK, just for the record.

Most of us are capable of recognising this but we can also spot HBK's far greater contribution to what became the Attitude Era as well as the levels of performance that Shawn Michaels achieved post back injury.

Rollermacka 09-29-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilution78 (Post 3641571)
He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3

According to Wikipedia (which is always right of course) Brett is 6ft 1 234lbs, so we can safely say alittle over 6 ft around 230lbs. I'd say thats maybe "average" for a wrestler but no where near small.


Side note, I think the only time I saw all the Hart bros wrestling was at Survivor Series. I wanna say Brett was the biggest one

DaveBrawl 09-29-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3641591)
Bret is a 10 forever, and I love him. I am also a Bret Hart mark, so fuck you guys.

How many times has Hulk Hogan appeared on Lonesome Dove? That's right. Fucking ZERO.

This.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 05:16 PM

Lonesome Dove, bitches.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 05:18 PM

Look how un-gay he looks.

http://retro4.tripod.com/bretdove2.jpg

Xero 09-29-2011 05:19 PM

I don't know, tassels are pretty gay.

CSL 09-29-2011 05:20 PM

say what motherfucker

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...warrior/01.jpg

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 05:21 PM

Well this is totally not gay at all:

http://www.brethart.com/files/images/bretaladdin1_1.jpg


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