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Next Big Thing 12-27-2011 04:45 PM

Lance Storm's Thoughts on Raw
 
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@Storm_Wrestling
Lance Storm
Advice to RAW. Stop having everyone point out each others flaws, especially legit ones. Why is everyone burying the talent and the product?
Then when a fan commented that HBK and Bret had similar dialogue during their feud he responded with

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@Storm_Wrestling
Lance Storm
@dschimbt Different when you've been over for 10 years already. When you're trying to elevate people it's death
I've had similar gripes with some of Punk and Cena's promos as well as Cole's commentary.

Have you guys noticed this too? Do you think there are too many pipe bombs being dropped at the expense of the product?

Rammsteinmad 12-27-2011 04:49 PM

This reminds me of Punks comments to Del Rio a few weeks back, about how all he ever talks about is 'his destiny'.

On one hand, it does bury Del Rio before he's 'over', but then on the other hand, what Punk said was true, and maybe could be used to push Del Rio to become better.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-27-2011 04:53 PM

Yeah Cole sucks cock and makes the show unwatchable the way he buries talent.

As for wrestlers doing it to each other, whatever that doesn't bother me as long as it's not boring.

Next Big Thing 12-27-2011 04:56 PM

I thought Cena's interactions with Del Rio were rough. Especially that one exchange where Del Rio was the champ and Cena called him the third wheel and pissed all over his championship win.

Punk's exchanges with Nash were pretty bad too. He pretty much slaughtered Nash and killed any desire I had to see them feud, even for shits and giggles. Nash isn't a slouch on the mic either.

erickman 12-27-2011 04:57 PM

i think he is still mad at the boring chant stone cold started on him.

Next Big Thing 12-27-2011 05:02 PM

Haha. Just like that dumb ass "What" chant Austin started. It did kind of fuck him though since Storm was actually entertaining in the ring but no matter what he did the crowd was too busy using all their brain cells to chant boring to notice that he was actually good in the ring.

Xero 12-27-2011 05:06 PM

Yeah, this happens all too often. The biggest one this year being that Triple H could have a better match with a broomstick than most of the roster. This is something that really needs to stop unless the situation warrants it. Today, nine times out of ten, it doesn't.

Nicky Fives 12-27-2011 06:10 PM

If only one person does it and "it's their thing," it's fine (CM Punk).....But when too many people do it, it's far too often.....

DAMN iNATOR 12-27-2011 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3714621)
Yeah Cole sucks cock and makes the show unwatchable the way he buries talent.

As for wrestlers doing it to each other, whatever that doesn't bother me as long as it's not boring.

LOL, WTF?! Cole tells it like it is. And yet people still hate him for it. Amazing.

Xero 12-27-2011 06:15 PM

DAMN iNATOR, ladies and gentlemen.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-27-2011 06:49 PM

Yup, telling the truth and being entertaining are always the same thing. No exceptions.

Kane Knight 12-27-2011 06:50 PM

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Advice to RAW. Stop having everyone point out each others flaws, especially legit ones. Why is everyone burying the talent and the product?
But wrestling is only cool when you drop the gimmick, break the fourth wall, and act like it's REAL!

Kane Knight 12-27-2011 06:51 PM

Shit, someone already beat me to the satire. :(

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3714706)
LOL, WTF?! Cole tells it like it is. And yet people still hate him for it. Amazing.


#1-norm-fan 12-27-2011 07:02 PM

What specific example from last night's Raw was he referring to?

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 07:32 PM

KK, it's not satire if it's not satirising anything.

Kane Knight 12-27-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 3714802)
KK, it's not satire if it's not satirising anything.

Which is great, but completely irrelevant in this instance.

dingdongyo 12-27-2011 08:00 PM

oh, you all would do things differently if you were in charge?

ok.

Blakeamus 12-27-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3714637)
Yeah, this happens all too often. The biggest one this year being that Triple H could have a better match with a broomstick than most of the roster. This is something that really needs to stop unless the situation warrants it. Today, nine times out of ten, it doesn't.

5 Star Quality!

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Aguakate 12-27-2011 08:23 PM

What Lance says is 100% true, and it reminds me of when Alberto Del Rio was feuding with John Cena, where Cena kept pointing out that the cars that Del Rio comes out in aren't really his.

It does nothing to help the guys get over.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3714810)
Which is great, but completely irrelevant in this instance.

What are you satirising, exactly? No one has said that wrestling is only cool if you break the fourth wall, yet that seems to be the only target of your post. Flat.

Gertner 12-27-2011 08:26 PM

Punk and Cole pretty much do the same thing, but because Punk is indyrific, he's cool.

DAMN iNATOR 12-27-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3714738)
Shit, someone already beat me to the satire. :(

What satire? I was being completely serious and not joking in any way whatsoever.

Juan 12-27-2011 08:52 PM

That makes your post even sadder.

Droford 12-27-2011 09:02 PM

You know, I was watching RAW and all I could think of last night was how Lance Storm felt about the show. Im sure glad he decided to post his opinions on twitter. Now I feel better knowing how he feels about RAW.

Kane Knight 12-27-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dingdongyo (Post 3714826)
oh, you all would do things differently if you were in charge?

ok.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 3714847)
What are you satirising, exactly? No one has said that wrestling is only cool if you break the fourth wall, yet that seems to be the only target of your post. Flat.

It's not the target, it's the hyperbole of the sentiment. You do understand how satire works, right? Because your statement there displays none whatsoever. This is kind of a crucial piece of the very nature of satire.

Do you nitpick Rudyard Kipling? "But nobody said 'White Man's Burden!' Therefore it's not satire!"

Howabout Mark Twain? his indictments of things like racism and society are by and large based around such hyperbolic indications that "no one has said."

Gore Vidal? Oh, who am I kidding. Kane Knight is too complex for you, there's no way you've read and understood Kipling or Twain or Vidal.

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Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3714851)
Punk and Cole pretty much do the same thing, but because Punk is indyrific, he's cool.

Dammit, stop telling it like it is!

DaveBrawl 12-27-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3714917)
Kane Knight is too complex for you

You should speak in third person more often. I really cracked up at that.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3714917)
Yes.



It's not the target, it's the hyperbole of the sentiment. You do understand how satire works, right? Because your statement there displays none whatsoever. This is kind of a crucial piece of the very nature of satire.

Do you nitpick Rudyard Kipling? "But nobody said 'White Man's Burden!' Therefore it's not satire!"

Howabout Mark Twain? his indictments of things like racism and society are by and large based around such hyperbolic indications that "no one has said."

Gore Vidal? Oh, who am I kidding. Kane Knight is too complex for you, there's no way you've read and understood Kipling or Twain or Vidal.

Do not ever compare yourself to Twain. Ever.

And way to take what I said completely out of context to fit your will. Racism and class struggles existed -- the "sentiment" you are exaggerating is entirely irrelevant and ineffective in anything more than an "Epic fat man is fat" sense. You're about as satirical as a Wayan Brothers movie.

I hope you find a way to work off the terrible karma you have for comparing yourself to such figures of literacy. Also, you go on thinking you are "too complex" for me. You're a 2D internet meme that occasionally presents an intelligent thought wrapped in attempts to be funny or witty (sometimes you succeed -- sometimes not). Maybe in real life, there is a sad story that a Sodenbergh could get to the bottom of; but complexity is certainly not the issue on TPWW, chum.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveBrawl (Post 3714962)
You should speak in third person more often. I really cracked up at that.

Ugh, do not encourage any more of an ego complex in the man. Really.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3714854)
What satire? I was being completely serious and not joking in any way whatsoever.

I don't think it really matters to KK. He was launching at attack at your tastes more than anything. Basically, if it's your taste to like Cole, you're wrong; because anything positive written about him must be satire.

Aguakate 12-27-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 3714973)
Basically, if it's your taste to like Cole, you're wrong; because anything positive written about him must be satire.

"Basically", that's what this forum is all about. You MUST like what everybody else likes.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3714851)
Punk and Cole pretty much do the same thing, but because Punk is indyrific, he's cool.

There are differences between the two. Cole is the lead announcer, and supposed to be an unbiased character -- and often does try to do so. It's inconsistent in lieu with his apparent heel status.

CM Punk's character (the last I saw of it, anyway) is that he goes a little deeper. He doesn't "break the fourth wall" so much as stretch the scope of the story being told beyond the reach of the cameras. Punk basically acknowledges that there are on-goings off-screen. Punk hasn't really buried anyone since getting on the mic. You could argue that he takes shots at John Laurinaitis -- but does that guy really need credibility given that he's a suit? I haven't been watching lately, though -- maybe his character has changed.

Now, I don't even hate the Michael Cole character. I think he could be a useful tool in getting both faces and heels over. I do think that he needs to leave the booth, however. It's kind of unsettling when you are supposed to dislike the dude that is telling you the story you are listening to. Have Cole become a character elsewhere and Josh Mathews or Jim Ross could take over.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2011 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3714976)
"Basically", that's what this forum is all about. You MUST like what everybody else likes.

Not everyone is like that. In fact, even KK has gone on to defend the opinion of the minority when there's a chance of antagonising someone by doing so. Hell, the guy has even defended me when there is a fresher fight to be had.

I think the bigger point is that you must not take anyone here too seriously. I will throw walls of text around like candy, because I enjoy it. But the moment you start taking this shit too seriously, you end up like one of the poor rooks who gets tormented and then leaves before they have a chance to contribute. Just throw your thoughts out there and don't take the trolling too seriously.

But yeah -- Michael Cole is shit. :p

#1-norm-fan 12-27-2011 11:00 PM

lol. People are really claiming that there is no difference between what CM Punk does and what Michael Cole does? Come on.

#1-norm-fan 12-27-2011 11:01 PM

The Sandman did the same thing Steve Austin did but everyone praises Steve Austin. STUPID IWC!

Aguakate 12-27-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3715046)
The Sandman did the same thing Steve Austin did but everyone praises Steve Austin. STUPID IWC!

Austin perfected it, though. Made it much better.

And could actually wrestle, too.

#1-norm-fan 12-27-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3715052)
Austin perfected it, though. Made it much better.

And could actually wrestle, too.

I uh... I'm aware.

Aguakate 12-27-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3715057)
I uh... I'm aware.

And we're all aware that Sandman did the "beer drinking thing" before Steve Austin, too, so don't get picky, guy.

screech 12-27-2011 11:19 PM

You'll have to excuse Aguakate. He doesn't understand...anything.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-27-2011 11:21 PM

I understand your analogy, #1-wwf-fan.

#1-norm-fan 12-27-2011 11:50 PM

Thank you, everybody but Aquakate.


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