HIT, MISS, or MAYBE
 

you are like Ed Leslie, the man of 1000 gimmicks, but you are the man of 1000 topics.

:rofl: Just tryin' to keep it fresh. Plus I'm not a barber.

Why are you r'ing ofl at an insult directed at you?

Because even though it's an insult it's actually quite true. So it's funny.

Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = hit
John Cena = hit
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = HIT
Garrison Cade = MAYBE
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = miss
Gail Kim = MAYBE
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = miss
Miss Jackie = hit, there's only a few divas
Renee Dupree = maybe
Slyvain Grenier = maybe
Rob Conway = miss
Batista - maybe
John Heindenreich = who?
Matt Morgan = MISS
Orlando Jordan = miss :'(
Nidia = miss
Charlie Haas = maybe
Shelton Benjamin = will be

Red Hot Scott
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = HIT
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = MAYBE
Garrison Cade = MAYBE
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = HIT
Gail Kim = MAYBE
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = HIT
Miss Jackie = MAYBE
Renee Dupree = HIT
Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE
Rob Conway = HIT
Batista - HIT
John Heindenreich = MAYBE
Matt Morgan = MAYBE
Orlando Jordan = MAYBE
Nidia = HIT
Charlie Haas = HIT
Shelton Benjamin = HIT

I joined on April 20 and have started a lot of threads. Is that a bad thing?

yes.

Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = MISS
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = MISS
Garrison Cade = MISS
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = HIT
Gail Kim = MISS
Randy Orton = MISS
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = MAYBE
Miss Jackie = MAYBE
Renee Dupree = MAYBE
Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE
Rob Conway = MAYBE
Batista - HIT
John Heindenreich = MISS
Matt Morgan = MISS
Orlando Jordan = MAYBE
Nidia = HIT
Charlie Haas = HIT
Shelton Benjamin = HIT

:wtf:

Geez, so many topics. Space them out, will ya Scott? I still don't know how you're one of the 75 best posters here. Unless part of "best" means "post-every-five-seconds."

The HITS:

Jonh Cena,Brock, Victoria, RKO, Shelton, Dinsmore, Conway, Haas

MAYBES:

Dupree (see some potential and still young), Batista (has the power and intensity), Rico (seems to pull off the wrestling and acting real well)

I'd explain but I can't be asked right now.

Red Hot Scott: Miss.

Red Hot Scott, your list is ridiculous. Jackie and Gail Kim are "maybe's" and Rico is a "hit." Yet, somehow, you gave Lesnar a "miss." WTF??!! I know the guy split, but that doesn't erase what he accomplished while he was in the WWE. :roll:

Rico is entertaining. He's enjoyable to watch. I think Brock was a lot of hype.

You are by new best friend :love:

^ Funny, cuz I always kinda grouped you two together. Mentally anyway.

Doug Basham = HIT (as a tag team member)
Danny Basham = MISS (just kidding, same as the other basham)
Brock Lesnar = HIT (Huge success!)
John Cena = HIT (Talented and a stack of potential)
Mark Henry = MISS (Useless lumbering ugly, fu</>ckbag of mince)
Mark Jindrak = MAYBE (Still to see what Jindrak can do I think)
Garrison Cade = HIT (If all they are trying to achieve is to get someone who looks like Ric Flair)
Victoria = HIT (Yep. Good bit of talent)
Jazz = HIT (Yep. Good & Ugly bit of talent)
Gail Kim = MAYBE (Holding back judgement on this one)
Randy Orton = HIT (Talented and a stack of potential. NEEDS A FINISHER!)
Rodney Mack = MISS (Mark Henry with muscle definition, and a clumsy fu</>cker to boot!)
Rico = HIT (Brilliant success - never seen this guy put a foot wrong)
Miss Jackie = MAYBE ( depends what they eventually do with her)
Renee Dupree = MAYBE (Looks promising, but will wait and see)
Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE (Not convinced on this one)
Rob Conway = MAYBE (Kind of inbetween Renee and Sylvain)
Batista - MAYBE (Kind of filling the muscle-bound-monster slot that Mark Henry and Rodney Mack couldn't fill - needs work though!)
John Heindenreich = MISS (WTF happened to that guy?)
Matt Morgan = HIT (I reckon this guy was great, but WWE wasted him)
Orlando Jordan = MAYBE (depends if he gets a decent push to see what he can do)
Nidia = HIT (Nidia has great acting skills and mic work, and we'll find out about the ring stuff more in the future. Anything seen so far has been better than Batista though!)
Charlie Haas = HIT (Looks like a great talent for the future)
Shelton Benjamin = HIT (He looks like a good asset, but I can't see his push being sustained. Anothe Jericho without the mic skills)

Doug Basham = Maybe
Danny Basham = Maybe
Brock Lesnar = Hit (Until he left :roll: )
John Cena = Hit
Mark Henry = Miss
Mark Jindrak = Maybe (The old Lex Narcissist gimmick is working)
Garrison Cade = Maybe (if booked right)
Victoria = Hit
Jazz = Hit
Gail Kim = Maybe
Randy Orton = Hit
Rodney Mack = Miss
Rico = Hit
Miss Jackie = Maybe
Renee Dupree = Hit
Slyvain Grenier = Hit
Rob Conway = Maybe
Batista - Hit
John Heindenreich = Miss
Matt Morgan = Maybe
Orlando Jordan = Maybe
Nidia = Maybe
Charlie Haas = Hit
Shelton Benjamin = Hit

Doug Basham = Miss
Danny Basham = Miss
Brock Lesnar = Miss
John Cena = Hit
Mark Henry = Miss
Mark Jindrak = Hit
Garrison Cade = Maybe
Victoria = Hit
Jazz = Miss
Gail Kim = Hit
Randy Orton = Big Hit
Rodney Mack = Miss
Rico = Hit
Miss Jackie = Maybe
Renee Dupree = Hit
Slyvain Grenier = Maybe
Rob Conway = Maybe
Batista - Maybe
John Heindenreich = Miss
Matt Morgan = Miss
Orlando Jordan = Miss
Nidia = Maybe
Charlie Haas = Hit
Shelton Benjamin = Hit

Here's what I think:

Doug Basham = MISS (lack of viable competition)
Danny Basham = MISS (lack of viable competition)
Brock Lesnar = (from HIT to) MISS
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS (big time)
Mark Jindrak = MAYBE (let us hope he isn't Sean O'Haire II)
Garrison Cade = MAYBE (as of right now...)
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = MAYBE (not utilized too much)
Gail Kim = MAYBE (ditto)
Randy Orton = HIT (slowly but surely)
Rodney Mack = MISS (they kept dragging him out of range)
Rico = MAYBE (as of right now, he is near Goldust HIT status)
Miss Jackie = MAYBE (as long as she stays out of the ring)
Renee Dupree = MAYBE (too early to say)
Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE (seems less potent w/o Dupree)
Rob Conway = MAYBE (too early to say, makes a good "Quebecer")
Batista = HIT (somewhat)
John Heindenreich = MISS (who?)

Matt Morgan = MISS (big time)
Orlando Jordan = MAYBE
Nidia = MAYBE (not utilized enough)
Charlie Haas = HIT (definitely, w/or w/out the Team Angle gimmick)
Shelton Benjamin = HIT (definitely, thanks to HHH and others)

:y:

I'm doing this in terms of "main-event potential".


Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = HIT
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = MISS
Garrison Cade = MISS
Victoria = HIt
Jazz = HIT
Gail Kim = HIT
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = MISS
Miss Jackie = HIT
Renee Dupree = MAYBE
Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE
Rob Conway = MAYBE
Batista - HIT (he has "the look")
John Heindenreich = MAYBE
Matt Morgan = MAYBE
Orlando Jordan = MISS
Nidia = MISS
Charlie Haas = MAYBE
Shelton Benjamin = MAYBE

Would those of you who said Brock Lesnar was a "miss" please elaborate?

When you say H, Mi or Ma, are you referring to wrestlers themselves or the way they've been used? Assuming this is based on wrestler's talent, usage, the way they've been marketted and their current potential and future potenital (Hit=Superb, Maybe=Unsure as of now and Miss =Not exaclty a strong point). I'll put a number next to each Hit, etc. that number is either 1 (near the bottom), 2 (about average) or 3 (near the top):

Doug Basham
T: Hit 2
U: Hit 2
M: Hit 2
CP: Maybe 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 39/45 or A
I consider the Basham Brothers team very successful, but I would like to see both split up and move onto main events.

Danny Basham
T: Hit 2
U: Maybe 3
M: Maybe 1
CP: Miss 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Maybe 3 or 30/45 or B
Danny Basham is now stuck in the brother role. I think he should go to RAW as the Damaja now, leaving Machine to do his own thing on SmackDown!. I think a good GTV type angle where you find out Doug and Danny aren't really brothers would be cool.

Brock Lesnar
T: Hit 3
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Maybe 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 40/45 or A
Until he left, Lesnar was a shining gem. I think he would have run flat after a couple of years, though. He needed a real interesting gimmick to keep him interesting. Lesnar's the hole package. The reason Iranked his current potenial a "Maybe" is because he could still benefeit the WWE. If he returned right now, he would be over huge.

John Cena
T: Hit 2
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 43/45 or A
Is there anything to complain about? Cena's perhaps the biggest star of the future on SmackDown!. He loses 1 point for current potential as he is being kept back by the US Championship. I think he should stop "Pumping up his shoes." though. That is really lame. :-\

Mark Henry
T: Miss 3
U: Hit 2
M: Hit 1
CP: Maybe 2
FP: Hit 2
Overall: Hit 1 or 33/45 or B
Henry could be agoldmine if used right. His gimmick att the moment could work, or it may not. I'm not sure what he'll do without Teddy now. Maybe Kenny Bolin or Jeromey Crony?

Mark Jindrak
T: Hit 2
U: Maybe 3
M: Maybe 2
CP: Maybe 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 1 or 34/45 or B
Mark Jindrak can go either up or down now. He's been on Velocity for the last few weeks, but at least he's won both those matches. If they give TRL time to promote him, and give him a good winning streak, the sky's the limit for this (probably) more technically gifted version of the Narcissist.

Garrison Cade
T: Hit 1
U: Maybe 3
M: Hit 2
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A-
Cade has been marketted as the guy who will do anything to win, and has his own set of heavy moves. I think he's got potential, if they just give him some decisive wins on RAW.

Victoria
T: Hit 3
U: Hit 1
M: Maybe 1
CP: Maybe 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A-
I personally thought Victoria would get higher, but she's lost her edge in recent weeks, IMO. She's just like Ovory was about a year ago, the only thing keeping Vicky from fading away is the WWE Women's Championship right now, IMO. It's strange how someone who should have gotten a Hit 3, got a Hit 1 because of a change of gimmick. Gimmicks do matter in this busy day.

Jazz
T: Hit 2
U: Maybe 3
M: Maybe 3
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 2
Overall: Hit 2 or 36/45 or B+
It's surprising how close Jazz and Vicky come. 'Toria was knocked back because of her gimmick, while Jazz because of how she's been constantly jobbed out of the title. She gets close for about a week, then she fades away. Like Victoria, she could be a major player in the WWE, if used right.

Gail Kim
T: Hit 3
U: Miss 3
M: Miss 3
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 1 or 31/45 or B
Unlike many, Gail Kim isn't let down in her technical area, but how she is being used and marketted. If you ask someone to name three divas, Trish, Lita and Stacy would probably be right up there. Gail Kim hasn't been exposed as much as she could, despite being perhaps the hottest diva in the WWE :drool:. If Kim got pushed to the title (as it looks like she is now), we could have a WWE gem.

Randy Orton
T: Hit 2
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 44/45 or A+
The WWE have done a good job at keeping Orton away from th lead spotlight, as well as keeping him main event material. Orton has prooven time and time again he can wrestle and entertain, as well as carry a title. IMO, Orton would be one of the better IC Champions in a long time. He carries the title, as well as carries some events. He beats Cena by one point as one of the biggest up and coming superstars in the WWE today.

Rodney Mack
T: Maybe 2
U: Maybe 1
M: Maybe 1
CP: Maybe 2
FP: Hit 2
Overall: Maybe 3 or 26/45 or C+
Rodney Mack has the talent to be one of the greatest tag team wrestlers in the WWE, especially with Shelton Benjamin. If he redebuted as redd Dogg, then we're talking.

Rico
T: Hit 3
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 2
Overall: Hit 3 or 43/45 or A
Rico is a legend as far as entertainment goes, IMO. He can be a face, a heel or a tweener. He's got great wrestling skills, and has been used right, but his age and the Tag Titles are stopping him from being a megastar (although it wouldn't surprise me if he did reach that level).

Miss Jackie
T: Maybe 3
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 41/45 or A
I betcha this shocked you. Jackie isn't the best wrestler, but when it comes to being valet, diva and entertainer, she's right up there with Rico.

Rene Dupree
T: Hit 2
U: Hit 2
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 42/45 or A
Not much really to say on top of this.

Sylvain Grenier
T: Hit 1
U: Hit 2
M: Hit 3
CP: Maybe 1
FP: Hit 2
Overall: Hit 2 or 36/45 or B+
This guy has so much potential, but right now he's like an inferior Rene Dupree.:'(

Rob Conway
T: HIT 3!
U: Hit 1
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 41/45 or A
Way underrated. Full stop.

Batista
T: Hit 1
U: Maybe 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 38/45 or A-
Most misuesed member of Evolution. 'Nuff said.

Jon Heidenreich
T: Maybe 1
U: Maybe 1
M: Hit 1
CP: Miss 3
FP: Hit 1
Overall: Maybe 2 or 25/45 or C
They could've pushed him right, but instead he's back down at the camp. Oh well, at least there's Big Bad John. :-\

Matt Morgan
T: Maybe 3
U: Maybe 1
M: Maybe 2
CP: Hit 2
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 1 or 32/45 or B
Matt Morgan has potential, he just needs to be pushed right, and as his own force.

Orlando Jordan
T: Hit 1
U: Miss 3
M: Miss 3
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Maybe 3 or 29/45 or B-
For maximum success rate, he could be repacked some way.

Nidia
T: Hit 1
U: Hit 1
M: Hit 1
CP: Hit 1
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A-
As a valet and manager, to the sky. As a wrestler, Mt Everest.

Charlie Haas
T: Hit 3
U: Hit 2
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 44/45 or A+
'Nuff said.

Shelton Benjamin
T: Hit 3
U: Hit 3
M: Hit 3
CP: Hit 3
FP: Hit 3
Overall: Hit 3 or 45/45 or A+
Probably the best up and comer on RAW, probably competeing back and forth with Randy Orton.:y:

Sorry I got a bit lazy towards the end, but they're my honest opinions. :y:

:y: Alienoid

Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = HIT
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = Hasn't really made it to the target yet
Garrison Cade = See Jindrak
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = Well... let's see her not get injured for about six months then let's talk
Gail Kim = See the above couple about not reaching the target
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = Again, hasn't had a chance to get off the ground without getting hurt
Rico = HIT
Miss Jackie = So far a miss, but I'm willing to give her some space
Dupree = HIT (since moving to SD)
Grenier/Conway = Missing, but may still hit
Batista - HIT
John Heindenreich = MISS
Matt Morgan = MISS
Orlando Jordan = MAYBE
Nidia = MISS
Charlie Haas = HIT
Shelton Benjamin = HIT

Awesome post Alienoid06.

That deserves REP

There's a problem with the list. Jazz, Mark Henry, and Victoria did not come from OVW. Jazz is from ECW, Mark Henry was with the WWF before OVW even existed, and Victoria was a "ho" before turning wrestler.

If you mean they temporarily trained there, then that's fine, but it really doesn't say anything about the "OVW alumni" when they didn't start there.

Brock Lesnar = Miss :wtf:

Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = HIT
John Cena = HIT
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = MAYBE
Garrison Cade = MAYBE
Victoria = HIT
Jazz = HIT
Gail Kim = MAYBE
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = HIT
Miss Jackie = MAYBE
Renee Dupree = HIT
Slyvain Grenier = HIT
Rob Conway = HIT
Batista - HIT
John Heindenreich = MISS
Matt Morgan = MISS
Orlando Jordan = MISS
Nidia = MAYBE
Charlie Haas = HIT
Shelton Benjamin = HIT

I'm not sure, but Victoria did didn't she. Sure she was the ho, but she didn't actually wrestle then did she?

Reps all around for you guys.

Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS
Brock Lesnar = hit
John Cena = hit
Mark Henry = MISS
Mark Jindrak = HIT
Garrison Cade = MAYBE
Victoria = HIT :y: :naughty:
Jazz = miss
Gail Kim = MAYBE
Randy Orton = HIT
Rodney Mack = MISS
Rico = HIT
Miss Jackie = maybe
Renee Dupree = HIT
Slyvain Grenier = maybe
Rob Conway = miss
Batista - maybe
John Heindenreich = miss
Matt Morgan = MISS
Orlando Jordan = miss
Nidia = miss
Charlie Haas = HIT
Shelton Benjamin = HIT

I hear that. :naughty: