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Give your opinion on each wrestling superstar who came from OVW. Say hit, miss, or maybe, or maybe leave any additional comments you might want to add.
Here's what I think: Doug Basham = MISS Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = MISS John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = HIT Garrison Cade = MAYBE Victoria = HIT Jazz = HIT Gail Kim = MAYBE Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = HIT Miss Jackie = MAYBE Renee Dupree = HIT Slyvain Grenier = HIT Rob Conway = HIT Batista - HIT John Heindenreich = MISS Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = MAYBE Nidia = MISS Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT Last edited by Marc the Smark; 05-07-2004 at 12:54 AM. |
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you are like Ed Leslie, the man of 1000 gimmicks, but you are the man of 1000 topics.
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Why are you r'ing ofl at an insult directed at you?
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = hit John Cena = hit Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = HIT Garrison Cade = MAYBE Victoria = HIT Jazz = miss Gail Kim = MAYBE Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = miss Miss Jackie = hit, there's only a few divas Renee Dupree = maybe Slyvain Grenier = maybe Rob Conway = miss Batista - maybe John Heindenreich = who? Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = miss ![]() Nidia = miss Charlie Haas = maybe Shelton Benjamin = will be |
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = HIT John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = MAYBE Garrison Cade = MAYBE Victoria = HIT Jazz = HIT Gail Kim = MAYBE Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = HIT Miss Jackie = MAYBE Renee Dupree = HIT Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE Rob Conway = HIT Batista - HIT John Heindenreich = MAYBE Matt Morgan = MAYBE Orlando Jordan = MAYBE Nidia = HIT Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT |
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = MISS John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = MISS Garrison Cade = MISS Victoria = HIT Jazz = HIT Gail Kim = MISS Randy Orton = MISS Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = MAYBE Miss Jackie = MAYBE Renee Dupree = MAYBE Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE Rob Conway = MAYBE Batista - HIT John Heindenreich = MISS Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = MAYBE Nidia = HIT Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT |
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Doug Basham = HIT (The man has not yet been able to show his potential).
Danny Basham = HIT (see: Basham, Doug) Brock Lesnar = HIT (He did well during his time). John Cena = HIT (Great stuff). Mark Henry = MISS (They tried to get him over, just didn't work. He sucks, also). Mark Jindrak = MAYBE (I'll have to see more of him) Garrison Cade = MAYBE (See: Jindrak, Mark Victoria = HIT (Great female wrestler). Jazz = MISS (Bores me). Gail Kim = HIT (I like her). Randy Orton = HIT (Charismatic guy who will only get better). Rodney Mack = MISS (Terrible). Rico = HIT (Funny guy, charismatic, great wrestler). Miss Jackie = MISS (Rico doesn't need a manager). Renee Dupree = HIT (See: Orton, Randy). Slyvain Grenier = MISS (If Rob Conway wasn't with him, he would sink). Rob Conway = HIT (Great wrestler). Batista - HIT (Great powerhouse) John Heindenreich = MISS (He lasted like a month. WHO THE HELL WAS LITTLE JOHNNY?!). Matt Morgan = MISS (Didn't accomplish anything). Orlando Jordan = MISS (See: Morgan, Matt) Nidia = MISS (Not a good manager or wrestler). Charlie Haas = HIT (Good wrestler, has some charisma) Shelton Benjamin = HIT (See: Conway, Rob) Nick Dinsmore = HIT (Funny gimmick). |
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Geez, so many topics. Space them out, will ya Scott? I still don't know how you're one of the 75 best posters here. Unless part of "best" means "post-every-five-seconds."
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The HITS:
Jonh Cena,Brock, Victoria, RKO, Shelton, Dinsmore, Conway, Haas MAYBES: Dupree (see some potential and still young), Batista (has the power and intensity), Rico (seems to pull off the wrestling and acting real well) |
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Red Hot Scott: Miss.
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Red Hot Scott, your list is ridiculous. Jackie and Gail Kim are "maybe's" and Rico is a "hit." Yet, somehow, you gave Lesnar a "miss." WTF??!! I know the guy split, but that doesn't erase what he accomplished while he was in the WWE.
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^ Funny, cuz I always kinda grouped you two together. Mentally anyway.
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Doug Basham = HIT (as a tag team member)
Danny Basham = MISS (just kidding, same as the other basham) Brock Lesnar = HIT (Huge success!) John Cena = HIT (Talented and a stack of potential) Mark Henry = MISS (Useless lumbering ugly, fu>ckbag of mince) Mark Jindrak = MAYBE (Still to see what Jindrak can do I think) Garrison Cade = HIT (If all they are trying to achieve is to get someone who looks like Ric Flair) Victoria = HIT (Yep. Good bit of talent) Jazz = HIT (Yep. Good & Ugly bit of talent) Gail Kim = MAYBE (Holding back judgement on this one) Randy Orton = HIT (Talented and a stack of potential. NEEDS A FINISHER!) Rodney Mack = MISS (Mark Henry with muscle definition, and a clumsy fu>cker to boot!) Rico = HIT (Brilliant success - never seen this guy put a foot wrong) Miss Jackie = MAYBE ( depends what they eventually do with her) Renee Dupree = MAYBE (Looks promising, but will wait and see) Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE (Not convinced on this one) Rob Conway = MAYBE (Kind of inbetween Renee and Sylvain) Batista - MAYBE (Kind of filling the muscle-bound-monster slot that Mark Henry and Rodney Mack couldn't fill - needs work though!) John Heindenreich = MISS (WTF happened to that guy?) Matt Morgan = HIT (I reckon this guy was great, but WWE wasted him) Orlando Jordan = MAYBE (depends if he gets a decent push to see what he can do) Nidia = HIT (Nidia has great acting skills and mic work, and we'll find out about the ring stuff more in the future. Anything seen so far has been better than Batista though!) Charlie Haas = HIT (Looks like a great talent for the future) Shelton Benjamin = HIT (He looks like a good asset, but I can't see his push being sustained. Anothe Jericho without the mic skills) |
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Doug Basham = Maybe
Danny Basham = Maybe Brock Lesnar = Hit (Until he left ![]() John Cena = Hit Mark Henry = Miss Mark Jindrak = Maybe (The old Lex Narcissist gimmick is working) Garrison Cade = Maybe (if booked right) Victoria = Hit Jazz = Hit Gail Kim = Maybe Randy Orton = Hit Rodney Mack = Miss Rico = Hit Miss Jackie = Maybe Renee Dupree = Hit Slyvain Grenier = Hit Rob Conway = Maybe Batista - Hit John Heindenreich = Miss Matt Morgan = Maybe Orlando Jordan = Maybe Nidia = Maybe Charlie Haas = Hit Shelton Benjamin = Hit |
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Doug Basham: MISS (The Basham Brothers are a boring Tag team)
Danndy Basham: MISS (The Basham Brothers are a boring Tag Team) Brock Leasner: HIT (3 Time WWE Champion, enough said) John Cena: HIT (So very over) Mark Henry: MAYBE (Was doing good before injury) Mark Jindrak: MISS (Boring) Garrison Cade: MISS (yawn) Victoria: HIT (Best female wrestler in the WWE) Jazz: MAYBE (I never liked her, but she's okay I guess) Gail Kim: MAYBE (Too early to tell) Randy Orton: HIT (Top 10 best wrestlers today) Rodney Mack: MISS (White boy challenges suck) Rico: MAYBE (Soon he'll be a hit) Miss Jackie: MISS (Pointless) Renee Dupree: HIT (decent heel) Sylvian Grineir: MISS (You mean the Montreal referee?) Rob Conway: MISS (French sympathizer, blech) Batista: MAYBE (too much hype, but not bad) John Heindenreich: MISS (Lets do it for Jonny) Matt Morgan: MISS (All he did was kill that woman Shannon Moore) Orlando Jordan: MISS (That backstage guy?) Nidia: HIT (Good character, will be a good wrestler) Charlie Haas: HIT (World's Greatest Tag Team Shelton Benjimain: HIT (A miss wouldn't be Triple H) |
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Doug Basham = Miss
Danny Basham = Miss Brock Lesnar = Miss John Cena = Hit Mark Henry = Miss Mark Jindrak = Hit Garrison Cade = Maybe Victoria = Hit Jazz = Miss Gail Kim = Hit Randy Orton = Big Hit Rodney Mack = Miss Rico = Hit Miss Jackie = Maybe Renee Dupree = Hit Slyvain Grenier = Maybe Rob Conway = Maybe Batista - Maybe John Heindenreich = Miss Matt Morgan = Miss Orlando Jordan = Miss Nidia = Maybe Charlie Haas = Hit Shelton Benjamin = Hit |
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Here's what I think:
Doug Basham = MISS (lack of viable competition) Danny Basham = MISS (lack of viable competition) Brock Lesnar = (from HIT to) MISS John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS (big time) Mark Jindrak = MAYBE (let us hope he isn't Sean O'Haire II) Garrison Cade = MAYBE (as of right now...) Victoria = HIT Jazz = MAYBE (not utilized too much) Gail Kim = MAYBE (ditto) Randy Orton = HIT (slowly but surely) Rodney Mack = MISS (they kept dragging him out of range) Rico = MAYBE (as of right now, he is near Goldust HIT status) Miss Jackie = MAYBE (as long as she stays out of the ring) Renee Dupree = MAYBE (too early to say) Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE (seems less potent w/o Dupree) Rob Conway = MAYBE (too early to say, makes a good "Quebecer") Batista = HIT (somewhat) John Heindenreich = MISS (who?) Matt Morgan = MISS (big time) Orlando Jordan = MAYBE Nidia = MAYBE (not utilized enough) Charlie Haas = HIT (definitely, w/or w/out the Team Angle gimmick) Shelton Benjamin = HIT (definitely, thanks to HHH and others) |
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I'm doing this in terms of "main-event potential".
Doug Basham = MISS Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = HIT John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = MISS Garrison Cade = MISS Victoria = HIt Jazz = HIT Gail Kim = HIT Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = MISS Miss Jackie = HIT Renee Dupree = MAYBE Slyvain Grenier = MAYBE Rob Conway = MAYBE Batista - HIT (he has "the look") John Heindenreich = MAYBE Matt Morgan = MAYBE Orlando Jordan = MISS Nidia = MISS Charlie Haas = MAYBE Shelton Benjamin = MAYBE |
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Would those of you who said Brock Lesnar was a "miss" please elaborate?
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When you say H, Mi or Ma, are you referring to wrestlers themselves or the way they've been used? Assuming this is based on wrestler's talent, usage, the way they've been marketted and their current potential and future potenital (Hit=Superb, Maybe=Unsure as of now and Miss =Not exaclty a strong point). I'll put a number next to each Hit, etc. that number is either 1 (near the bottom), 2 (about average) or 3 (near the top):
Doug Basham T: Hit 2 U: Hit 2 M: Hit 2 CP: Maybe 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 39/45 or A I consider the Basham Brothers team very successful, but I would like to see both split up and move onto main events. Danny Basham T: Hit 2 U: Maybe 3 M: Maybe 1 CP: Miss 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Maybe 3 or 30/45 or B Danny Basham is now stuck in the brother role. I think he should go to RAW as the Damaja now, leaving Machine to do his own thing on SmackDown!. I think a good GTV type angle where you find out Doug and Danny aren't really brothers would be cool. Brock Lesnar T: Hit 3 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Maybe 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 40/45 or A Until he left, Lesnar was a shining gem. I think he would have run flat after a couple of years, though. He needed a real interesting gimmick to keep him interesting. Lesnar's the hole package. The reason Iranked his current potenial a "Maybe" is because he could still benefeit the WWE. If he returned right now, he would be over huge. John Cena T: Hit 2 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 43/45 or A Is there anything to complain about? Cena's perhaps the biggest star of the future on SmackDown!. He loses 1 point for current potential as he is being kept back by the US Championship. I think he should stop "Pumping up his shoes." though. That is really lame. ![]() Mark Henry T: Miss 3 U: Hit 2 M: Hit 1 CP: Maybe 2 FP: Hit 2 Overall: Hit 1 or 33/45 or B Henry could be agoldmine if used right. His gimmick att the moment could work, or it may not. I'm not sure what he'll do without Teddy now. Maybe Kenny Bolin or Jeromey Crony? Mark Jindrak T: Hit 2 U: Maybe 3 M: Maybe 2 CP: Maybe 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 1 or 34/45 or B Mark Jindrak can go either up or down now. He's been on Velocity for the last few weeks, but at least he's won both those matches. If they give TRL time to promote him, and give him a good winning streak, the sky's the limit for this (probably) more technically gifted version of the Narcissist. Garrison Cade T: Hit 1 U: Maybe 3 M: Hit 2 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A- Cade has been marketted as the guy who will do anything to win, and has his own set of heavy moves. I think he's got potential, if they just give him some decisive wins on RAW. Victoria T: Hit 3 U: Hit 1 M: Maybe 1 CP: Maybe 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A- I personally thought Victoria would get higher, but she's lost her edge in recent weeks, IMO. She's just like Ovory was about a year ago, the only thing keeping Vicky from fading away is the WWE Women's Championship right now, IMO. It's strange how someone who should have gotten a Hit 3, got a Hit 1 because of a change of gimmick. Gimmicks do matter in this busy day. Jazz T: Hit 2 U: Maybe 3 M: Maybe 3 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 2 Overall: Hit 2 or 36/45 or B+ It's surprising how close Jazz and Vicky come. 'Toria was knocked back because of her gimmick, while Jazz because of how she's been constantly jobbed out of the title. She gets close for about a week, then she fades away. Like Victoria, she could be a major player in the WWE, if used right. Gail Kim T: Hit 3 U: Miss 3 M: Miss 3 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 1 or 31/45 or B Unlike many, Gail Kim isn't let down in her technical area, but how she is being used and marketted. If you ask someone to name three divas, Trish, Lita and Stacy would probably be right up there. Gail Kim hasn't been exposed as much as she could, despite being perhaps the hottest diva in the WWE ![]() Randy Orton T: Hit 2 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 44/45 or A+ The WWE have done a good job at keeping Orton away from th lead spotlight, as well as keeping him main event material. Orton has prooven time and time again he can wrestle and entertain, as well as carry a title. IMO, Orton would be one of the better IC Champions in a long time. He carries the title, as well as carries some events. He beats Cena by one point as one of the biggest up and coming superstars in the WWE today. Rodney Mack T: Maybe 2 U: Maybe 1 M: Maybe 1 CP: Maybe 2 FP: Hit 2 Overall: Maybe 3 or 26/45 or C+ Rodney Mack has the talent to be one of the greatest tag team wrestlers in the WWE, especially with Shelton Benjamin. If he redebuted as redd Dogg, then we're talking. Rico T: Hit 3 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 2 Overall: Hit 3 or 43/45 or A Rico is a legend as far as entertainment goes, IMO. He can be a face, a heel or a tweener. He's got great wrestling skills, and has been used right, but his age and the Tag Titles are stopping him from being a megastar (although it wouldn't surprise me if he did reach that level). Miss Jackie T: Maybe 3 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 41/45 or A I betcha this shocked you. Jackie isn't the best wrestler, but when it comes to being valet, diva and entertainer, she's right up there with Rico. Rene Dupree T: Hit 2 U: Hit 2 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 42/45 or A Not much really to say on top of this. Sylvain Grenier T: Hit 1 U: Hit 2 M: Hit 3 CP: Maybe 1 FP: Hit 2 Overall: Hit 2 or 36/45 or B+ This guy has so much potential, but right now he's like an inferior Rene Dupree. ![]() Rob Conway T: HIT 3! U: Hit 1 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 41/45 or A Way underrated. Full stop. Batista T: Hit 1 U: Maybe 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 38/45 or A- Most misuesed member of Evolution. 'Nuff said. Jon Heidenreich T: Maybe 1 U: Maybe 1 M: Hit 1 CP: Miss 3 FP: Hit 1 Overall: Maybe 2 or 25/45 or C They could've pushed him right, but instead he's back down at the camp. Oh well, at least there's Big Bad John. ![]() Matt Morgan T: Maybe 3 U: Maybe 1 M: Maybe 2 CP: Hit 2 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 1 or 32/45 or B Matt Morgan has potential, he just needs to be pushed right, and as his own force. Orlando Jordan T: Hit 1 U: Miss 3 M: Miss 3 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Maybe 3 or 29/45 or B- For maximum success rate, he could be repacked some way. Nidia T: Hit 1 U: Hit 1 M: Hit 1 CP: Hit 1 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 2 or 37/45 or A- As a valet and manager, to the sky. As a wrestler, Mt Everest. Charlie Haas T: Hit 3 U: Hit 2 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 44/45 or A+ 'Nuff said. Shelton Benjamin T: Hit 3 U: Hit 3 M: Hit 3 CP: Hit 3 FP: Hit 3 Overall: Hit 3 or 45/45 or A+ Probably the best up and comer on RAW, probably competeing back and forth with Randy Orton. ![]() Sorry I got a bit lazy towards the end, but they're my honest opinions. ![]() |
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = HIT John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = Hasn't really made it to the target yet Garrison Cade = See Jindrak Victoria = HIT Jazz = Well... let's see her not get injured for about six months then let's talk Gail Kim = See the above couple about not reaching the target Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = Again, hasn't had a chance to get off the ground without getting hurt Rico = HIT Miss Jackie = So far a miss, but I'm willing to give her some space Dupree = HIT (since moving to SD) Grenier/Conway = Missing, but may still hit Batista - HIT John Heindenreich = MISS Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = MAYBE Nidia = MISS Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT |
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Awesome post Alienoid06.
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There's a problem with the list. Jazz, Mark Henry, and Victoria did not come from OVW. Jazz is from ECW, Mark Henry was with the WWF before OVW even existed, and Victoria was a "ho" before turning wrestler.
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Brock Lesnar = Miss
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = HIT John Cena = HIT Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = MAYBE Garrison Cade = MAYBE Victoria = HIT Jazz = HIT Gail Kim = MAYBE Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = HIT Miss Jackie = MAYBE Renee Dupree = HIT Slyvain Grenier = HIT Rob Conway = HIT Batista - HIT John Heindenreich = MISS Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = MISS Nidia = MAYBE Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT |
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Doug Basham = MISS
Danny Basham = MISS Brock Lesnar = hit John Cena = hit Mark Henry = MISS Mark Jindrak = HIT Garrison Cade = MAYBE Victoria = HIT ![]() ![]() Jazz = miss Gail Kim = MAYBE Randy Orton = HIT Rodney Mack = MISS Rico = HIT Miss Jackie = maybe Renee Dupree = HIT Slyvain Grenier = maybe Rob Conway = miss Batista - maybe John Heindenreich = miss Matt Morgan = MISS Orlando Jordan = miss Nidia = miss Charlie Haas = HIT Shelton Benjamin = HIT |
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