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Rollermacka 10-04-2012 12:21 PM

What was wrong with the Bill Watts Era in WCW?
 
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So watching this DVD, and looking at some matches from 1992, what was soo bad about the "Bill Watts Era" in WCW? It seemed like they still had solid high flyers like Pillman, Liger, Muta and Steamboat. The company seemed to be built around quality matches, not really "sports entertainment" based. 6:50 as a Tuner exectutive, that's all I'd have to hear about to support the head of a product. Outside of the racial issues he was accused of, what was so bad about the Watts Era in WCW?

James Steele 10-04-2012 01:26 PM

Wrestling was in a "down period" to begin with and "pure wrestling" has never drawn on a national scale. WCW in the early 90s had good wrestling, but the storylines were generally shit. Was he before or after the Robocop and Scorpion incidents?

Jordan 10-04-2012 01:36 PM

I think that Bill just clashed with the execs at Turner, and in turn, created an out of date product.

DLVH84 10-04-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 3996194)
Wrestling was in a "down period" to begin with and "pure wrestling" has never drawn on a national scale. WCW in the early 90s had good wrestling, but the storylines were generally shit. Was he before or after the Robocop and Scorpion incidents?

Bill came after those incidents.

Joesgonnakillyou 10-04-2012 03:39 PM

He made Ron Simmons the champ, love the guy but he's not really a main eventer

Theo Dious 10-04-2012 09:38 PM

Sports entertainment draws on a world-wide scale, pure wrestling does not. Bill Watts's ideas did not have mass appeal.

KIRA 10-05-2012 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Joesgonnakillyou (Post 3996285)
He made Ron Simmons the champ, love the guy but he's not really a main eventer


I thought that was Dusty's doing

stultiloquy 10-05-2012 06:06 AM

Didn't he enforce a rule during his tenure by which you would be disqualified for throwing an opponent over the top rope?

Vastardikai 10-05-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stultiloquy (Post 3997071)
Didn't he enforce a rule during his tenure by which you would be disqualified for throwing an opponent over the top rope?

That rule actually predated Watts. He was anti-Jump off the top rope. A pandora's box that was opened long ago.

Joesgonnakillyou 10-05-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 3996745)
I thought that was Dusty's doing

I remember reading that Bill Watts did it in Foley's first book and a quick wiki search tells me it was Bill Watts too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wa...ship_Wrestling

Shisen Kopf 10-05-2012 08:54 AM

This

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia (Post 3997104)
Mick Foley referred to Watts' history of "creating a black babyface and building the company around him", while talking about his match with Simmons.


Big Vic 10-05-2012 09:29 AM

I want to see an African American win the WWE title.

Unnrelated question: Is there more WWE champions from Mexico than from Canada? Its 3 to 2 right?

Verbose Minch 10-05-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 3997117)
I want to see an African American win the WWE title.

Unnrelated question: Is there more WWE champions from Mexico than from Canada? Its 3 to 2 right?

Bret Hart, Edge, Jericho, Ben Wah

Rhaps 10-05-2012 08:07 PM

But that fourth guy you just named never existed :/

DLVH84 10-05-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stultiloquy (Post 3997071)
Didn't he enforce a rule during his tenure by which you would be disqualified for throwing an opponent over the top rope?

That rule was an NWA rule that WCW kept until 1998, five years after breaking away from the NWA, due to many heel champions using that excessively to retain their titles.

James Steele 10-06-2012 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DLVH84 (Post 3997490)
That rule was an NWA rule that WCW kept until 1998, five years after breaking away from the NWA, due to many heel champions using that excessively to retain their titles.

Bullshit. They cut that rule way before that.

CSL 10-06-2012 01:27 PM

heard plenty of times he was just a bit shit to work for, a bit of a bully, liked to throw his weight around etc

DLVH84 10-06-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3997831)
heard plenty of times he was just a bit shit to work for, a bit of a bully, liked to throw his weight around etc

Yeah, the only one I recall who stood up to Bill Watts was Brian Pillman.

Tom Guycott 10-07-2012 11:12 AM

Pillman? You're kidding me, right? I was under the impression he *respected* anyone who was the bookerman!

DLVH84 10-07-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 3998607)
Pillman? You're kidding me, right? I was under the impression he *respected* anyone who was the bookerman!

Well, Watts wanted Pillman to break his contract or risked being jobbed forever. Brian said something along the lines of "Fine, I'll be the highest-paid jobber in the company."

Savio 10-07-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhaps (Post 3997479)
But that fourth guy you just named never existed :/

and only held the WHC if he did exist.


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