The Post-Wrestlemania Raw Crowd Appreciation Thread
 

For one night we get to have fun.

They were good.

Appreciated.

Last year as well. The one night of the year the smarks get to be heard. All of the other days it's families and kids only cheering a few wrestlers including of course Cena while being dead the rest of the show. On this night, we got to experience a mostly male and probably drunk crowd.

BTW they are still humming Fandango's theme at the train stations around the stadium.

The post WM crowd is as close to internet marks as you can get. I bet most casual watchers only found this crowd mildly amusing at best though.

We will be back to the lame crowds next week with a majority of fans being familiy's. But like I said, one night a year the internet marks get to be heard.

That's because most casual watchers are sinfully boring people who live sinfully boring and vanilla lives and don't even know it because they're idiots.

Ya! How dare them not care enough to research wrestling on the internet! Damn losers and their other hobbies and lives and families and I don't think this point makes sense anymore.

I don't care about casual fans there it's just the constantly dead crowds only popping for a couple of guys while being dead for most of the show, then when I actually went to Raw, the families would yell at anyone who cheered for someone like Punk, this was just nice. The crowd seemed to be one big family just like last year at the Raw the night after WM.

That's not quite what I meant but okay.

In other news, the crowd was off the charts tonight. Loudest and most vocal RAW crowd I can ever remember.

On Twitter there are pictures of people dancing on the train. I mean this is what I do miss. When I came home from Raw the subway was full but quiet. These people had fun.

Yes, it made me enjoy watching the show and actually want to be there, or go to a show, but only if the crowd was as into it as they were tonight.

Thanks to the overwhelming demographic being adult males, kids weren't able to yell at men for cheering heels. Tonight's crowd gives me hope maybe a PPV crowd will be better because being at that Raw was so boring other than the ending. Kids all around me screaming at Kofi Kingston, climbing on me to see better, yelling at the couple smarks in the section who dared cheered any heel. Has that been the experience for any of you too?

Lol yes, internet fans who love and worship vanilla midgets have exciting lives.

It's not even worshipping vanilla midgets. It's about the crowd being silent for most of the event. At least these fans made it fun.

:yes:

Heck, the Sacremento crowd is a mark crowd but they were loud and made that one show fun even if it was a mark crowd. It's about the crowd being into an event vs them just sitting there silent for most of the event outside of Cena, Orton, and Ryback.

WWE actually thanked the fans for the crazyness of RAW.

Wish I could go.

You could see how much fun the announcers were having even when they tried to cover it up who the fans were chanting for. A great crowd can turn an average show good and a good show great like tonight. I just hate that now we go back to those regular crowds.

That was a great night. It was amazing to look over at the Titantron and see that the camera was shaking.

Yes, exactly. It's just smark crowds tend to be louder because they cheer or boo most wrestlers vs the family crowds that only cheer the top babyfaces and are silent the rest of the show except for yelling at people who cheer heels. I don't care who they cheer and boo, but just be loud doing it. Make the show seem like "You have to be there" instead of "This is boring."

Unfortunately, that's their mindset and the reality. They are bored. They don't care. They don't want to be there. They don't really have time to be there. They're only there because their kids want to go see John Cena. Other than Cena and maybe a couple other guys, the kids don't really care much either.

The parents are there thinking about how they need to get home, get their kids in bed, because they have to get up in the morning, make sure their kids get to school and then they have to go to work to deal with their stupid jerk of a boss, make sure their kids get home and do their homework, then they need to go to the store and make dinner.

This is what's wrong with catering to a family/kid friendly audience. Unfortunately, the long term and true fans have to suffer 98% of the time through shitty crowds and cheesy jokes and storylines aimed at kids.

Just watching the show on TV, the crowd was the most entertaining part of the show (I type this as they pull Jericho off of Fan-Dodge-Durango, then Y2J pops a codebreaker) with their random and AWESOME chants.

I especially liked the RVD, Randy Savage, and JBL chants. And the wave. :D

Lol "true fans". It's a business. Catering to smarks = no business.

Honestly, I think you can cater to the average fans for the money, and still work things in for the smarks. (Not saying cater to them at the expense of everything else, mind.) I'm pretty sure there's more of a happy medium somewhere that we haven't hit yet.

Well, what would you call someone who is a long term fan but not a smark?

I've been a fan since 1992, I understand it's a business and they want to appeal to whatever audience makes them as much money as possible. I don't really care for ROH, etc., or think that Punk, Daniel Bryan or Colt Cabana are Gods and should be main eventing every show.

It's moronic however, to not recognize that most of the parents of these kids don't care, don't want to be there and if they could avoid going they would. They are not true fans.

As long as they pay, who cares

The people who've been watching and paying for PPVs for more than 5 years.

The "true fans" aren't there target demographic.

Which is stupid. I understand that they have to try and gain new viewers, but wrestling is a niche and they will continue to lose their foundation that provides the decent ratings when business is down or its not Mania season. There is a reason their average ratings have slowly gone down over the years now. CM Punk will never pull in the 7s or 8s Rock/Foley/Austin did, but neither has Cena. Casual fans will always come and go. Hardcore fans who quit watching rarely come back. Look at all the people in the casual forum who loved wrestling enough to post on a wrestling forum who no longer watch wrestling and even mock people on a wrestling forum because they watch wrestling.

They grew up and MMA came along. That's what happened.

Also, before you go on your basement dwelling virgin spiel. There is a difference between typical smarks who pirate everything and fans who follow the product constantly year round. The hardcore internet guys are a small percentage, but their is a large percentage of fans who watch every week and order PPVs and things. It is the modern day "killing the town". WWE makes a shitload of money off of WrestleMania, but there is no reason they can't make more of it year round by balancing appealing to new fans/casual fans and providing solid and intriguing entertainment for loyal fans. They have done a good job in recent years, but they drop all that around WrestleMania time and then they wonder why a crowd like tonight shits all over everything.

MMA and Wrestling aren't the same though. That core base is what has kept WWE in the 2s and 3s in the ratings. They watch wrestling because they like pro wrestling. For every Kris P Lettus there are 10-20 of the average poster here who isn't obsessed with the indys and loves watching wrestling with interesting characters and storylines.

Those crowds come up 2-3 times a year.

Even Edge said this: the UFC took all the attitude fans because it has the personalities and it's real. If the WWE didn't appeal to kids they'd lose money.

Also, the MMA fad has maxed out. UFC stretched themselves too thin and they lack enough legitimate draws to do the number of shows they do a year.

I was a kid during the attitude era. You can appeal to kids and not making the product so fucking watered down and vanilla.

Yeah, the crowds filled with fans willing to pay thousands of dollars to go to WrestleMania and not just $75 to take little Johnny to a SmackDown! taping.