Is AJ Lee collateral damage?
 

With CM Punk gone, AJ has lost several matches to various divas. So you guys think is because of her relationship with CM Punk? A delayed reaction from that previous incident? Perhaps the WWE is one again letting MORE great divas out the door by just not pushing the division?

no

Is she losing more than usual? She's been losing non-title matches and then winning title matches. That's WWE's booking for all their champions.

AJ has been losing to all the Total Divas since that show began. It isn't a new "post-CM Punk leaving" thing.

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Theres talk of having her drop the title, but they didn't say to who.

Wont be surprised if she loses it at mania, gotta lose it sometime. Sine vince doesn't want to piss punk off she might keep it however.

So long as she doesn't drop it to one of the Bellas or Cameron, and as long as she doesn't descend into jobberdom I don't see an issue. A match with Natalya, Naomi, or someone else that can actually wrestle that results in her losing is perfectly fine and just part of the wrestling business.

It's honestly such a shame that WWE doesn't push the Divas division more. It's not like they'd loose anything by doing so either. The women that can actually wrestle tend to be just as good looking (if not more so) than the idiots they constantly put on tv.

Wonder what AJ Lee's make's of this'

Nobody cares about workrate or womens wrestling.

People used to during the Trish/Lita/Mickie years.

Not going to get back to that again by not pushing the division. Then again, people liked liked Diva's back then because they were hot, and they could put on a fun match.

How many Diva's right now can put on a good match? 2? Maybe 3?

That's why an internet workhorse is headlining Wrestlemania, and is the most over performer in the last decade while a supposed quintessential superstar is being buried with a mountain of boos and was forced to turn heel because of it, right?

AJ, Natty...

the NXT chicks are so much better than the current crop. (Emma, Paige, Summer Rae).

I just watched the WrestleMania from 2010 and noticed that Alicia Fox was in the 5 on 5 match. They have to keep these women on board for political reasons emanating from the Linda McMahon shit.

On the active roster? Natalya, AJ Lee, Naomi and to a lesser extent Emma and Summer Rae from what I've heard. NXT also supposedly has quite a few women that can actually put on good matches. Stupid thing is that all those women I mentioned are just as, if not more attractive than the shit we see being pushed on tv. The problem isn't lack of good women's wrestlers, it's lack of actual time for them to wrestle good matches. Honestly I'd go as far as to say that WWE's women's division is more stacked today then it was during the Lita/Trish years. It's just that the women today don't get to show it.

Because he developed a personality.

Not seeing your point here exactly, Gerty...

That doesn't surprise me

I miss Victoria. Best ass ever. And the widow's peak was an awesome finisher.

Shame Victoria and Mickey didn't get to finish that little storyline they had going with the "hit list" thing Victoria was doing. Could have been really interesting for WWE.

Are you insinuating that women can't have personalities? If so that's very sexist of you, and that's bad m'kay.

Daniel Bryan isn't where he is if he didn't develop a personality.

Daniel Bryan without a personality is Tyson Kidd

By "personality" of course, you mean he starting yelling "Yes!" a lot.

For the most part i do agree with this but I think it helps if they let the performers put more of themselves into their character then just what the higher ups want. It is far easier to be someone you can identify with then someone you cannot.

Would Austin have made it as the "Ringmaster" I don't think so.

The Divas Title doesn't matter, nor the champion, because women aren't real people, especially in wrestling.

Doing a little research on the 'net, I discovered that most divas are actually good in the ring. As with the men, it requires chemistry between the two and time to have the match develop. Couple that with a story that the audience can invest their time in and you should be okay.

No. Chicks move pretty awkwardly in the ring.

Her losing right now has nothing to do with Punk's status and more because the WWE cares way more about Total Divas than the actual division.

They are just following a similar path they did with Season 1 for Season 2's promotion albeit with the rumored difference of a title change occurring at Mania as part of the season finale.

The girls are smaller and are... girls, so the distances from rope to rope is longer.

I think you'll find the distance between the ropes is exactly the same.

This x1,000,000.

A great women's match is an average match in real terms.

Naomi and AJ had a pretty good match on NXT before, they were given more time though since it was the All women's season.

women don't have the same gait as men.

Here's a solid example of running the ropes.

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lol. This is not an excuse for moving awkwardly in the ring.

And even if it were, too bad. They're still awkward in the ring and it makes for awkward wrestling matches. Whatever the reason.

This is the most ridiculous discussion yet. Womens gait.

Women's work gait is serious business

the problem is, WWE hires female models (for the most part) and tries to train them to be wrestlers.

Where as the men (for the most part) are wrestlers/pro athletes, who they then try to convert to entertain over pure rasslin

Pretty much this. Watch some AJW from back in the day. Not awkward at all, and in fact boasts some of the best wrestling matches ever, male or female.

Yes. AJ Lee publicly embraced Punk at an airport recently. Such an interaction between a heel and a face is not appreciated in the business of professional wrestling. Following Punk's departure from the company, AJ Lee's push has come to a screeching halt. After winning the secondary Divas Championship, she was set to win the prestigious WWE Women's Championship which was to be resurrected at the showcase of the immortals - Wrestlemania. She was slated to fight some of the greatest women's wrestlers of all time in a gauntlet match. Some of the names that were expected were Michelle McCool, Lita, Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Beth Phoenix and Gail Kim (Christian was to make an appearance at Bound for Glory in return). Unfortunately, none of it is going to happen. She is scheduled to lose the secondary belt to her protege Tamina Snuka in a record time of 5 seconds at Wrestlemania. AJ Lee will eventually be released from the WWE due to her affiliation with CM Punk.

This is true, but the distance between the ropes is still the same.

I'm gonna need to see a specific match that ranks with the greatest matches ever that features two women.