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NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 12:30 AM

who carried who?
 
Name a tag team where you feel one guy carried the other. Example bret carried jim or shawn carried marty. Discuss

SlickyTrickyDamon 07-28-2015 12:36 AM

Owen carried Yoko. Not literally.

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 01:08 AM

Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

Heyman 07-28-2015 01:12 AM

Would HBK and Jannetty count?

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 01:24 AM

Given there are "I'm shawn,you're marty" t shirts available I would say so

Shisen Kopf 07-28-2015 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675374)
Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

Racist!

Shisen Kopf 07-28-2015 05:08 AM

Also, proper grammar please. It should be "Who carried whom". Please note for future reference.

Maluco 07-28-2015 07:10 AM

Titus is certainly carrying Young right now, Young had another chance to say something last night and did nothing once again.

Colossal Connection was very much Haku doing all the work for Andre to keep him involved at that stage of his career.

Don't agree with Shawn and Marty at all. In hindsight, that's the way it looks, but Marty was great in the ring and just as big a part of The Rockers. In fact, he was probably better than Shawn early on.

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 07:36 AM

This starts and ends with the Dream Team.

Beefcake was so awful. Poor Valentine worked 80% of the matches.

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675374)
Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

I'd say even. Both were former tag champs: Martel with Garea and Santana with Putski. Both could go in the ring, both mediocre on the mic.

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 4675464)
Titus is certainly carrying Young right now, Young had another chance to say something last night and did nothing once again.

Colossal Connection was very much Haku doing all the work for Andre to keep him involved at that stage of his career.

Don't agree with Shawn and Marty at all. In hindsight, that's the way it looks, but Marty was great in the ring and just as big a part of The Rockers. In fact, he was probably better than Shawn early on.

Andre's presence at least made the team interesting, but yeah, towards the end of their run Andre couldn't even move.

The Condor 07-28-2015 09:59 AM

As weird as it might seem to say, I think that Road Dogg carried Billy Gunn once the Outlaws joined DX.

Maluco 07-28-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King Gertner (Post 4675478)
Andre's presence at least made the team interesting, but yeah, towards the end of their run Andre couldn't even move.

Yeah, can't deny that Andre didn't legitimize them as a team. Good point.

Maluco 07-28-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Condor (Post 4675553)
As weird as it might seem to say, I think that Road Dogg carried Billy Gunn once the Outlaws joined DX.

Wouldn't agree with this one either. Always thought that Billy was a great athlete and enjoyed watching him. Road Dogg certainly better on the mic, but while he was decent in ring, Billy was def the better athlete

Johnny Vegas 07-28-2015 12:29 PM

Cactus Jack carried Terry Funk in '98. Terry could barely go anymore and was only into doing spots at this point. Foley was still able to put on good/great matches and took better bumps most of the time.

Corporate CockSnogger 07-28-2015 12:39 PM

Billy Gunn carried the entire WWF during the Attitude era.

Anybody Thrilla 07-28-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675389)
Given there are "I'm shawn,you're marty" t shirts available I would say so

That's based on what happened AFTER The Rockers. They were pretty much neck and neck during.

Vastardikai 07-28-2015 12:56 PM

Harper carries Rowan.

In the beginning, I felt Murdoch carried Cade.

Also, Bret carried the matches, but Jim carried the promos.

RP 07-28-2015 01:02 PM

I thought Young kept his mouth shut because Titus seemed like he was about to say something racially insensitive during that match. I think there was Hogan effect there.

I don't think Bret carried Anvil. Jim was a great personality and was the power wrestle of the team.

Hanso Amore 07-28-2015 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4675664)
That's based on what happened AFTER The Rockers. They were pretty much neck and neck during.

exactly - That the point of the breakup im sure the WWE thought they had two future stars on their hands, and kind of did. If Jannetty didnt fuck up his life and career they could have been what Bret vs Shawn became. Edge and Christian were the same, they had different post team careers but were both amazing as the team.

Rodd Dogg and Billy Gunn were perfect, they masked each others weaknesses and didn't carry one or the other.

Andre and Haku - Haku didnt carry the team. He did the work but as mentioned Andre wasnt there to work, he was a presence.

Honestly my thought is the impact players. Storm carried that team based solely on the fact that Justin Credible was utter shit.

Harlem Heat - Stevie Ray was never more than a big body. Booker T made them an all time great team.

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gertner (Post 4675475)
This starts and ends with the Dream Team.

Beefcake was so awful. Poor Valentine worked 80% of the matches.


i found this to be true during their run, but an interesting twist is post split beefcake got a big push and valentine was stuck with dino bravo for a minute. then bravo got a push and valentine was given HTM.

makes me wonder was valentine used a mentor to get guys ready for a singles run or did they think he was only capable in a tag team role and was he not carrying his weight ?

Evil Vito 07-28-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewAllenHanso (Post 4675673)
Rodd Dogg and Billy Gunn were perfect, they masked each others weaknesses and didn't carry one or the other.

<font color=goldenrod>The Attitude Era Podcast totally ruined the Outlaws for me. It caused me to go back and watch a bunch of their matches and realize that almost every single one of them involved Road Dogg getting worked over heavily before the hot tag to Gunn. They never really switched roles at any point.</font>

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 01:11 PM

as a way to judge it in a case like the NAO, is if you ask would the team still work if one guy got replaced? i think that NAO could have worked with billy being taken out for another guy. But if you had billy and a guy other than road dogg alot of their hype and energy would be missing.

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675674)
i found this to be true during their run, but an interesting twist is post split beefcake got a big push and valentine was stuck with dino bravo for a minute. then bravo got a push and valentine was given HTM.

makes me wonder was valentine used a mentor to get guys ready for a singles run or did they think he was only capable in a tag team role and was he not carrying his weight ?

Yes he was. Beefcake was very green at that point. Plus Beefcake was Hogan's lackey so he was going to get a push.

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4675677)
<font color=goldenrod>The Attitude Era Podcast totally ruined the Outlaws for me. It caused me to go back and watch a bunch of their matches and realize that almost every single one of them involved Road Dogg getting worked over heavily before the hot tag to Gunn. They never really switched roles at any point.</font>

So did the Rock and Roll Express. Morton would sell his ass off every match with Gibson getting the hot tag.

If it works, it works.

Evil Vito 07-28-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675678)
as a way to judge it in a case like the NAO, is if you ask would the team still work if one guy got replaced? i think that NAO could have worked with billy being taken out for another guy. But if you had billy and a guy other than road dogg alot of their hype and energy would be missing.

<font color=goldenrod>I tend to agree with that. If you want to do a hybrid of two Attitude Era teams you could have easily had Road Dogg and Bradshaw. Road Dogg does all the talking (Billy Gunn's one line during the NAO speech was pretty unnecessary) and is the beat down guy like always. Bradshaw comes in as the hot tag guy and fucks shit up. Probably in a far more convincing fashion than Billy Gunn.

So neither NAO member carried the other really...they were just ridiculously formulaic.</font>

Evil Vito 07-28-2015 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gertner (Post 4675681)
So did the Rock and Roll Express. Morton would sell his ass off every match with Gibson getting the hot tag.

If it works, it works.

<font color=goldenrod>I get that. It's just difficult to for me to assess whether or not one of them "carried the team" when every match was the same.

Love some of the old stuff from the 80s where even if they are following a formula they managed to mask it to a degree. Tag matches now just feel so phoned in because the face hot tag is such a given that almost everything leading up to it feels irrelevant.</font>

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gertner (Post 4675679)
Yes he was. Beefcake was very green at that point. Plus Beefcake was Hogan's lackey so he was going to get a push.


him teaming with honky was so fucking terrible, what an insult to poor greg

My Final Heaven 07-28-2015 01:47 PM

But Rhythm & Blues had Monsoon nicknaming Valentine "Boxcar". :lol: That has to count for something

MoFo 07-28-2015 02:03 PM

Booker T carried Stevie Ray in Harlem Heat

MoFo 07-28-2015 02:04 PM

Although they were both pretty 'clunky' IMO

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4675693)
him teaming with honky was so fucking terrible, what an insult to poor greg

To be fair, Valentine had been around pretty much since the late 70's. He was on borrowed time to begin with and had gotten real stale. Lol not the best use of him though.

DAMN iNATOR 07-28-2015 10:15 PM

There was only one wrestler called "WHO", so no, he couldn't have carried himself.

Rumor has it that WHO's on first, though..

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 10:32 PM

Speaking of haku did he carry the weight in all 3 of his tag teams? If we say he did the heavy lifting with andre, did he also with the barbarian? Tama?

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2015 11:01 PM

I'd say he and Tama were equals. Great team.

I'm a huge Meng fan, but both were pretty bad in WCW. Neither cut promos so you can't really judge them on that. I will say Meng was more intriguing, but I woulsn't call Barbarian dead weight.

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 11:10 PM

I loved the islanders too. Great theme. Dungeon of doom were formidable looking and worked great in wcw. Meng was always awesome except for king haku. Lame ass gimmick

Jordan 07-28-2015 11:11 PM

Bubba carried D-Von.

Edge carried Christian

Jeff carried Matt

Billy carried Bart, Chuck, and Road Dogg

Dynamite carried Bulldog

Jordan 07-28-2015 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4676084)
I loved the islanders too. Great theme. Dungeon of doom were formidable looking and worked great in wcw. Meng was always awesome except for king haku. Lame ass gimmick

Faces of Fear was the team Dungeon of Doom was the cult.

NormanSmiley 07-28-2015 11:28 PM

I am aware

Tom Guycott 07-29-2015 09:56 AM

I was coming here to comment on Powers of Pain, but everyone already got their Haku comments out of their system.

Also, as for the Impact Players... their relationship was more student/teacher, so of course Lance would "carry" that team.

Let's ask the hardball questions, like who carried the Hollywood Blondes? I'd say Pillman, but Austin was catching on fast.


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