Do you see Eugene being a full-time maineventer?
 

Right now, Eugene is one of the most over guys on the Raw roster, but does he have potential to be considered a full-time 'main eventer'?

Just by being involved in an angle with HHH, he is instantly getting A LOT of TV time. Put it this way, HHH is the unofficial champion of Raw, and everyone on the roster knows it because he is the 2nd most powerful person in wrestling, only behind Vince.

I think the Raw announcers have done a tremendous job pushing Eugene as a serious threat. JR mentioned he "out wrestled" HHH, and even the formidable Kane. His win streak has been noted on several occasions, and his talent is not going unnoticed.

However, even while being hugely over, and having great talent, will Eugene ever be considered a 'main eventer? Or will the novelty of his gimmick run its course into mid card obscurity?

I used to think Mick Foley would never be worlds champion, much less considered a main eventer. I was proven wrong, and now I am thinking about Eugene

Right now, I don't see him as possibly being considered main event, but I hope I'm wrong. He was the featured main event on Raw twice, and next week the show will revolve around him being GM. The push of Eugene hasn't dwindled since its inception, but I'm curious if this push will lead to him possibly being world's champion?

And will Nick Dinsmore want to continue playing the gimmick?

This is just one of those WWE fads where they push a gimmick until it's dead. They did it with DX, Rikishi, the NOD, Too Cool... They're gonna keep with it for a couple months until it stops giving them ratings then we'll prolly see a Eugene heel turn where he admits that he's not really suffering from mental retardation. After that, he'll be buried forever on Heat...

My friend brought up an interesting point about a month ago. People with Eugene's 'condition' are behind on many things, but excel in one certain area. Eugene excels at wrestling.

I knew a kid a long time ago who had this condition. He had slurred speech and was bad at school, except for math. If you gave him any amount of numbers, he could multiply them and give you the total. Now for Eugene, he could be seen as a serious threat in the main event if he's pushed like this.

He is very good in the ring as well. Dinsmore is also really good on the mic with this gimmick. Hopefully he becomes a main eventer so we can see more of him.

No.

BUT, will Nick Dinsmore WANT to continue playing a mentally-challenged wrestler? It is no knock on the gimmick, but how long before he gets frustrated pretending to have a 'condition'?

DX was not a fad, and I disagree that Eugene's character will shift to what you mentioned.

Also, pertaining to deadyheaven's post-

No shit the WWE is going to push something until its dead. The WWE just needs the foresight to acknowledge when a gimmick isn't getting over, and sadly that foresight is something the WWE lacks.

Think about the failed gimmicks WWE has heavely pushed recenty. Kenzo will likely be a bust, Ultimo Dragon=bust (mostly because of Vince), Nathan Jones=bust(own fault), Sean O'Haire=bust(writers fault), and many others.

WWE should see whats sticks and run with the idea. Eugene stuck and the WWE is running with that idea til it will likely become dead. However, Eugene's character has depth, so it will be a long while before he falls to the mid-card.

I see it as more of a Hurricane thing. He did a lot with the Rock and look at him. Eugene will follow the same road.

Nope. Hurricane's gimmick was a childish cartoon gimmick that required the suspension of disbelief, and everyone KNEW would be nothing more than a farce, slapstick act.

HOWEVER, the way WWE has been pushing Eugene indicates they are taking a serious liking to his character. In all seriousness, do you see Hurricane ever main eventing another Raw? In the short time Eugene has been on Raw he has been in the featured main event twice; once with Kane, the other with HHH.

the "Eugene" character will run it's course... but if they make "Eugene" heel turn successful then maybe the sky is the limit because he has tremendous talent and charisma.

I still cannot see Eugene makin it to a full time main eventer anytime

Don't worry Jindrak, he'll get buried... at least if he doesn't change his gimmick.

Btw, I personally find him one of the most annoying characters in WWE.

Hell turn? Eh, not now, but down the line yes. Eugene is just too over now to be thinking heel turn.

WWE should not to a heel turn consisting of Dinsmore revealing he was 'acting' all along. That is just stupid.

However, something along the lines of Eugene being an asshole of sorts that doesn't like the fans could work out. The question is, it is possible for the fans to want to boo Eugene?

Once the staleness of his character is revealed, Eugene should sell out and become a heel who hates the fans because all his life he was tormented, teased, and bullied by them. This will be brought about when someone manipulates Eugene into believing he is not liked. The seeds for that turn are already planted though(i.e HHH, Coach), so it shouldn't be too hard pull.

Please elaborate. In what regard is he annoying to you?

I have to disagree with you here, the best heel would be if he revealed he was pretending. This would get him booed immediatly, especially if done during a world title match. He would immediatly become the most over heel in WWE. the problem then would be how to continue it.

The whole pretend concept was done by Billy and Chuck, and if I am correct, the angle did nothing to push either wrestler. After that "wedding", which was heavely hyped by all media outlets, both Billy and Chuck fell to abysmal depths of the wrestling card. Needless to say, the same can happen for Eugene, not to mention there would be a stream of negative backlash.

I see Dinsmore Main Eventing as Eugene in no time, He seems to enjoy playing the character, He's very good at playing the character. But even so underneath the character Nick Dinsmore is a fantastic worker, has great ring psychology and would go far in the WWE in any gimmick he was given.

I'm sure somewhere down the line there will be a Eugene heel turn, Hopefully It will happen suddenly with no indications.

Say he stays on good terms with Benoit for a while, Benoit feeling sorry for him, always making the save kinda thing. It's HHH vs Benoit at a PPV (Not summerlsam this would be to early) Benoit seems to be in trouble Eugene comes running out to help Benoit. Then wham all of a sudden his stupid grin disappears and Dinsmore hits his German Suplex finisher that he used in OVW. Shakes HHH's hand and disappears back up the ramp.

This would get him more heel heat than if HHH was to lay down Benoit, Cena, Jericho, RVD and Rey Mysterio and piss in all of their mouths.

The Eugene character as its portrayed right now has a very short life span. I read reports from the RAW tapings last night that people were ALREADY turning on him. Thats scary, I figured they'd get a longer run out of him as a babyface, but I also predicted this would happen sooner or later. His gimmick is such that people are laughing AT him, not with him. The reason why guys like Hogan, Austin, Rocky and even Foley got over huge as babyfaces were that people to some extent wanted to be like them. People wanted to be a super hero like Hogan, they wanted to smack around their boss and talk trash like Austin, they wanted to look and sound as cool as The Rock and they wanted to be as fearless as Foley. Nobody wants to be like Eugene, they like to laugh at him, but nobody would go to school and try to act cool by imitating Eugene.

Eventually the fans will turn on him. Now I'm no fortune teller, I dont know exactly when it will happen, but it will happen. The challenge at that point will be to do an effective heel turn that will save Nick Dinsmore's career. Hopefully he'll be able to move on from the gimmick and not become another Hacksaw Duggan or a Bushwacker.

But to answer the question, no as a full time main eventer challenging for the World Title the Eugene character will never draw huge buys or do huge ratings on a consistant basis. Why? Plain and simple, its comedy and as Ive said a million times before comedy doesn't draw on top. Never has, never will.

Nick Dinsmore is a hell of a wrestler with not only great technical talent, but mic talent as well. He was pretty well known in OVW for his talents and i'm pretty sure this gimmick is just going to allow him to be set up for a great career.

I want to discuss your first point, about fans not wanting to be like him. That doesn't mean fans can't sympathize with him. In all seriousness, the majority of wrestling marks aren't cool, which is why they want to be like Rock, Austin, Hogan. In addition, while wrestling fans try to live vicariously through their favorite wrestlers, they are doing so to hide form their own faults. Not all of us have the charisma of a Rock, which is why fans cheer him, only because he represents what fans want to be.

In actuality, many of us are the Eugene's of the world. We are easily manipulated, fooled, and picked on by everyone else. This is why fans sympathize, or even empathize with Eugene's character. He has faults, and the major fault he has is something some of us take for granted. Its not easy seeing a person with that 'condition' because people assume those with that 'condition' can never be integrated into society, which is why people feel sorry for them. This creates the ultimate underdog aura, because while we don't expect much from Eugene because we feel sorry for him, we hope he exceeds our expectations.

People want to see Eugene succeed. It make them feel good about themselves knowing that if he can do it, then I can do it. It’s a story about overcoming adversity, and living in a world that has labeled you different. This is the appeal of Eugene's character.

If they wanted to change Eugene's charcter without turning him heel, they could get him into a really heated storyline with Bischoff... Eventually, it's Eugene vs. A Main Eventer, and Bischoff comes out... He tells the opponant to put a real beating on Eugene (Like he did w/ Trips), and then Eugene pops up, and whips the main eventer's ass and wins the match... After which, he beats the holy hell out of Bischoff, and the next night on Raw have him say he was getting back for the "abuse" that Bischoff gave him as a child/his sister as a child or something...

To explain the fact that Bischoff KNEW Eugene was "special", have him either be someone else defending the "real" Eugene, or have it that Bischoff was never in contact with his sister since before Eugene was born, and that his sister made up the story of Eugene being "special" and signed him to "mend ways" with his sister...


That is the dumbest thing I've ever written, but it's basicly in WWE logic, so it's all good...

As much as I hate to do this, but CyNick has a point. (Actually, many points)

RETARDED 4 LIFE

I know what you are saying, and I agree that people do feel sorry for him to a point. But the problem with wrestling is that its not like the movies or regular TV where the acting and writing is such that they will make people get behind him in an underdog story.

Instead what you get from most wrestling fans is what I called "laughing at him, not with him". Look at a lot of the signs in the crowd, many of them are basically making fun of "special" people. I recall one sign with a big handicap sign and Eugene on top. Its that kinda thing that shows wrestling fans just want to laugh at the guy. Sure they will cheer for him (for now), but they will not get behind him like they would a Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan.

Thats where I see the big problem with him as a babyface, I just dont see him drawing any money because fans dont take him seriously.

Like I said I think people may get behind him, but where he lacks is that desire for the fanbase to want to be like him. When you dont have that aspect, I dont think you can have a strong babyface on top. Look to the past, sure guys like George Steel, Hacksaw Duggan and the Bushwackers were over in their heyday but they were over as comedy acts and nobody ever took them seriously as anything other than that. People connected with Hulk Hogan as the top guy or Ric Flair because in some way they wanted to be like those guys. Nobody I know ever wanted to be like George Steel. Yeah you felt sorry for him, and maybe even cheered for him against randy Savage, but he was never going to be World Champ.

The people who make those signs... Should be shot.

Meh, people dont expect serious things from wrestling, especially nowadays. I mean how can anyone take Eugene seriously (that he's really challenged) and at the same time watch Paul Bearer drowned in "concrete" and Undertaker faces no criminal charges. Wreslign in 2004 makes no sense, so people should be excused if they dont take things seriously.

How can anyone take wrestleing serious full stop.

EUGENE IS GOD