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M. Banana 03-27-2005 12:50 PM

What could help WWE?
 
I think maybe a third major show. That way they could push more talent and maybe earn more money.

James Steele 03-27-2005 12:54 PM

That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.

The Mackem 03-27-2005 01:09 PM

They should probably use what they already have, y'know give them something to do.

Disturbed316 03-27-2005 01:43 PM

Heat/Velocity

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.

The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort, just as main eventers on a C show would.

#1-norm-fan 03-27-2005 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Disturbed316
Heat/Velocity

Exactly

KayfabeMan 03-27-2005 02:46 PM

Realism.

Vince needs to stop pushing what HE likes, and start pushing what the people actually want to see on TV. He has this idea that people will buy whatever he sells, but that is surely not the case - as evident by the current condition / direction of his company.

KayfabeMan 03-27-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight
The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort

Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Realism.

Vince needs to stop pushing what HE likes, and start pushing what the people actually want to see on TV. He has this idea that people will buy whatever he sells, but that is surely not the case - as evident by the current condition / direction of his company.

BLASPHEMY! VINCE MCMAHON IS A GENIUS!

KayfabeMan 03-27-2005 02:59 PM

OK, so maybe I was Mr.Obvious there. :lol:

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.

A lot of people have said this for a long time. The lack of foresight is stunning. To decide someone's too green AFTER pushing him like this is not only ineffective, but counterproductive.

Mordecai should have been thought about before pushing him. This is pretty common.

Rock Bottom 03-27-2005 03:47 PM

The Rock :p

Hitman84 03-27-2005 04:13 PM

IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)

The Overdrive 03-27-2005 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman84
IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)

Nice idea,

Usually it's the Lightweights who get made a fool of

Steven Richards
Hurricane
Simon Dean
Maven
Tajiri

Blah blah, the list goes on and on. But a third show what be a credibility to those superstars, it'd make a change from getting kicked in the ball sack by the likes of that red head bitch.

Which reminds me, why to the CW guys have to job to the new guys in the new guys first few matches? Isn't that act getting a little over used after all these men have done it)

Masters
Dean
Kenzo
Snitsky
Hassan
Shelton (when he got drafted)
Batistia

And yet the WWE still try to make the worst wrestlers alive today by beating World Class superstars.

adamwwe 03-27-2005 04:45 PM

A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.

The end of the roster split and the firing of those nobody cares about or WWE refuses to use (several of the weekend guys) would benefit WWE tremendously.

Tremendously.

EDIT: Reducing the PPV schedule to 4-6 per year would be sweet, too.

PorkSoda 03-27-2005 05:03 PM

Tag teams and cruiserweights could help the WWE. :)

The Overdrive 03-27-2005 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PorkSoda
Decent talent being in the Main Event and Triple H not in the World Title picture could help the WWE. :)

:y:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adamwwe
A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.

I already don't like you...


They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.

James Steele 03-27-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted By The Overdrive
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Originally Posted By Pork Soda
Being original and not ripping off an old joke could help the WWE and The Overdrive. :)
:y:
:y:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PorkSoda
Getting rid of Triple H altogether would help WWE


The Overdrive 03-27-2005 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
:y:

:y:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Overdrive
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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
:y:

:y:

:y:

The Overdrive 03-27-2005 05:39 PM

:shifty:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 05:41 PM

:y:

The Overdrive 03-27-2005 05:42 PM

[/getting old rather fast]

M. Banana 03-27-2005 05:43 PM

:y:

KayfabeMan 03-27-2005 06:13 PM

:y:

Hey, everyone else did it. :shifty:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 06:16 PM

:y:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 06:17 PM

:y: :y:

M. Banana 03-27-2005 06:17 PM

:y: :y: :y:

adamwwe 03-27-2005 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MiguelBahena
I already don't like you...


They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.

By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible. And look at things that are happening: Orton got pushed way too early. Batista got pushed a little too fast. Cena got pushed too fast. WWE is forced, by the split, to work too hard at making new stars. There's no reason those three guys can't wait a year.

Oh, and somebody give Edge a pat on the back for his efforts at pretending to be a main eventer. Pat him on the back and send him back to the midcard.

Everybody harps on HHH for holding the belt too much. Funny, before that the complaint I kept reading was that the belt was tossed around too much and meant nothing because of it.

There are no main event material guys not being used right now. Try and name one.

M. Banana 03-27-2005 06:32 PM

The belt has become part of Triple H's waist. We don't want it to jump from person to person every week, but we don't want it on the same person for three years.

There are PLENTY of main event material guys not being used. The WWE just tricks us into thinking otherwise by keeping people like Trips and JBL on top.

adamwwe 03-27-2005 07:05 PM

Who?? Jericho is about the only guy that comes to mind, and even he now needs to be built back up for a while due to being buried so badly. And hes being used ok now. Not main eventing, but I do like what they are doing with him going into Mania (despite how much an overbooked mess that match is).

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by adamwwe
By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible.

Bullshit.

There's a ton of star power in the WWE, and all they really need is a place where they're not squashed in order to shine.

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 07:19 PM

Errr...I mean :y:

KayfabeMan 03-27-2005 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MiguelBahena
The belt has become part of Triple H's waist

Yeah, he's like one of those old Tonka / WWF Wrestling Buddy dolls.

http://www.wrestlingcollection.com/o...n/image005.jpg

owenbrown 03-27-2005 08:08 PM

you know how to make WWE better?!.... SUSPEND HHH from the active roster indefinetely and move JBL back to mid card. Keep both of em away from the world titles.

James Steele 03-27-2005 08:11 PM

owenbrown, Click On This

Kane Knight 03-27-2005 08:12 PM

:love:

owenbrown 03-27-2005 08:15 PM

:rofl: :p


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