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Old 03-27-2005, 12:50 PM   #1
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What could help WWE?
I think maybe a third major show. That way they could push more talent and maybe earn more money.
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Old 03-27-2005, 12:54 PM   #2
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That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.
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Old 03-27-2005, 02:32 PM   #3
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That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.
The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort, just as main eventers on a C show would.
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Old 03-27-2005, 02:57 PM   #4
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The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort
Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.
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Old 03-27-2005, 03:05 PM   #5
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Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.
A lot of people have said this for a long time. The lack of foresight is stunning. To decide someone's too green AFTER pushing him like this is not only ineffective, but counterproductive.

Mordecai should have been thought about before pushing him. This is pretty common.
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Old 03-28-2005, 07:29 PM   #6
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The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort, just as main eventers on a C show would.
i see that they are slowly starting to do this (sorta)
I mean, basically the entire CW storyline takes place on velocity, and much of the women's title stuff does too (altho not the christy/trish stuff).
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Old 03-27-2005, 01:09 PM   #7
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They should probably use what they already have, y'know give them something to do.
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Old 03-27-2005, 01:43 PM   #8
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Old 03-27-2005, 02:32 PM   #9
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Realism.

Vince needs to stop pushing what HE likes, and start pushing what the people actually want to see on TV. He has this idea that people will buy whatever he sells, but that is surely not the case - as evident by the current condition / direction of his company.
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IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)
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IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)
Nice idea,

Usually it's the Lightweights who get made a fool of

Steven Richards
Hurricane
Simon Dean
Maven
Tajiri

Blah blah, the list goes on and on. But a third show what be a credibility to those superstars, it'd make a change from getting kicked in the ball sack by the likes of that red head bitch.

Which reminds me, why to the CW guys have to job to the new guys in the new guys first few matches? Isn't that act getting a little over used after all these men have done it)

Masters
Dean
Kenzo
Snitsky
Hassan
Shelton (when he got drafted)
Batistia

And yet the WWE still try to make the worst wrestlers alive today by beating World Class superstars.
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A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.

The end of the roster split and the firing of those nobody cares about or WWE refuses to use (several of the weekend guys) would benefit WWE tremendously.

Tremendously.

EDIT: Reducing the PPV schedule to 4-6 per year would be sweet, too.
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Old 03-27-2005, 05:03 PM   #17
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Decent talent being in the Main Event and Triple H not in the World Title picture could help the WWE.
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Old 03-27-2005, 05:29 PM   #19
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A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.
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They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.
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They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.
By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible. And look at things that are happening: Orton got pushed way too early. Batista got pushed a little too fast. Cena got pushed too fast. WWE is forced, by the split, to work too hard at making new stars. There's no reason those three guys can't wait a year.

Oh, and somebody give Edge a pat on the back for his efforts at pretending to be a main eventer. Pat him on the back and send him back to the midcard.

Everybody harps on HHH for holding the belt too much. Funny, before that the complaint I kept reading was that the belt was tossed around too much and meant nothing because of it.

There are no main event material guys not being used right now. Try and name one.
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By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible.
Bullshit.

There's a ton of star power in the WWE, and all they really need is a place where they're not squashed in order to shine.
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Bullshit.

There's a ton of star power in the WWE, and all they really need is a place where they're not squashed in order to shine.
Very few of them are ready for the main event. You could say Cena, Orton, and Batista are, but even thats a little bit of a stretch. No reason why they can't wait.

Benoit and Guerrero had nice runs just last year.

Jericho needs time to be built back up.

Undertaker and Flair will be retired soon enough.

Who's left... oh yeah, HHH.
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Old 03-27-2005, 09:05 PM   #23
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Very few of them are ready for the main event. You could say Cena, Orton, and Batista are, but even thats a little bit of a stretch. No reason why they can't wait.

Benoit and Guerrero had nice runs just last year.

Jericho needs time to be built back up.

Undertaker and Flair will be retired soon enough.

Who's left... oh yeah, HHH.
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Old 03-28-2005, 07:35 PM   #24
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By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible. And look at things that are happening: Orton got pushed way too early. Batista got pushed a little too fast. Cena got pushed too fast. WWE is forced, by the split, to work too hard at making new stars. There's no reason those three guys can't wait a year.

Oh, and somebody give Edge a pat on the back for his efforts at pretending to be a main eventer. Pat him on the back and send him back to the midcard.

Everybody harps on HHH for holding the belt too much. Funny, before that the complaint I kept reading was that the belt was tossed around too much and meant nothing because of it.

There are no main event material guys not being used right now. Try and name one.

Name one:

OK:
Raw: HHH, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane, HBK, Batista (these are all bone-fide Main Eventers). Then you throw in Edge, Christian, possibly Shelton B.

S'Down!: JBL, Angle, Cena, Taker, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and possibly guys like Charlie Haas, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, RVD, Rene Dupree.


There are heaps of talent which could main event if given the opportunity.
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Name one:

OK:
Raw: HHH, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane, HBK, Batista (these are all bone-fide Main Eventers). Then you throw in Edge, Christian, possibly Shelton B.

S'Down!: JBL, Angle, Cena, Taker, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and possibly guys like Charlie Haas, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, RVD, Rene Dupree.


There are heaps of talent which could main event if given the opportunity.
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Old 04-03-2005, 07:56 AM   #26
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People have always said WWE is a male soap opera. I just think that went to Vince’s head and he decided soap opera writers were the way to go. However, how many wrestling fans watch “Days of Our Lives” and other soap opera shows.

Nobody gives a crap about wrestlers who are bodybuilders that come out and flex their muscles except for HHH and Vince. Twelve year olds laugh at that. How in the world do they expect 20-somethings to find that interesting?

SD has become too cartoonish. As a friend of mind pointed out, does everyone have to drive to the ring?

They are writing a show that appeals to them and not to the target audience. WWE probably has the best roster they have ever had in terms of in-ring ability; however, they really need to work on character and storyline development.

Hiring a bunch of T&A isn’t even a short-term fix. There are way too many other outlets for T&A. WWE isn’t doing anything innovative or different by having girls in bikinis on their programming. People who are watching WWE have cable, which means there are many more channels that show a lot more than WWE does in terms of nudity.

What could help WWE? For starters, listen to the fans and try to shoot for a balance of what people want.
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The belt has become part of Triple H's waist. We don't want it to jump from person to person every week, but we don't want it on the same person for three years.

There are PLENTY of main event material guys not being used. The WWE just tricks us into thinking otherwise by keeping people like Trips and JBL on top.
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Yeah, he's like one of those old Tonka / WWF Wrestling Buddy dolls.

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