Vince's theory being tested
 

With Edge out on Smackdown, it seems the 4 biggest names are all big me. Kane, Khali, Batista, and Mark Henry. Maybe once he realizes big mean do not bring in the crowd (Unless somehow people come to watch them), Vince will quit with his theory about it?

The more likely response. He still doesn't get that Cena doesn't draw, FFS.

lol Mark Henry?????

It's not a matter of big men vs. small men. It's a matter of talent.

And they have none.

Mike Awesome (RIP) had talent and he was quite the big man. Bag Bam Bigelow the same.

Smackdown's main event has no real TALENT, people. Get it right.

According to Rob, the Observer says that John Cena is one of the top 10 biggest draws of all time. I'll try and find that post (it was a long time ago.)

I never liked Meltzer's bullshit and so I haven't ever seen these breakdowns, but if Rob says it...IT HAS TO BE TRUE! Then again, maybe I am just ignoring it because he isn't telling me what I want to hear, right KK?

Kane has quite a bit of talent for a guy his size. I'll pass on the others, though.

Also, the way they have been pushing John Cena, he would need to be one of the top three draws of all-time to justify it.

Makes about as much sense as the rest of Batista's booking.

Kane got pinned in the match. Perhaps that had something to do with it.

How long have you been watching WWE?

I hate batista

John Cena a bigger draw than Bret Hart WTF?!

Well, all he had to do was draw a dime.:shifty:

Canadian.

Actually, Rey is on his way back. If he can delay getting feaked out about the Smackdown rating for at least another month he can blame it on him as opposed to his beloved big men.

Thank you Rob!

It seems like everyone likes to just brush off the women and children cheering for Cena and say he isn't a draw because them and the majority of smarks don't like him.

Vince has stuck with Cena because CENA MAKES MONEY. Those children are having mommy and daddy buy them tons of Cena toys, shirts, etc.

lol, Yeah, I thought about that after I hit "Submit".

Funny. Raw did 2.9 and 2.7. USA are leaning on WWE. These are not the signs of someone who draws or makes money.

Which is probably why Disney's their big competition right now.

First of all, ratings are not the only thing you need to look at to see if someone is making money. Are you telling me little aren't getting tons of Cena merchandise? The people who are gonna spend money on WWE shirts and toys and such are not the smarks who hate Cena.

Secondly... when did Raw do a 2.9 and 2.7 rating? :wtf:

It works though. They are making money off of him. Whether they "should be ashamed" or not is a matter of opinion.

Yes, Stock prices, attendances (Except for Manias as the like) are down. Can't just focus on ratings, when so many markers are down. If USA's on them, it means there is something to be concerned about, BTW.

Second, acording to NMR, The Raw from 2 weeks ago. Don't know what this week's Raw did. Have to wait til Wednesday.

And they're losing the confidence of not only the USA Network that airs them, but their stockholders.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrest...wwf/wwfraw.htm

http://www.twnpnews.com/information/wweraw2007.shtml

3.4

John Cena has the same fans Bret Hart did. The people who will cheer for whoever WWE puts on top as a face, the people who like guys that "stand up for what's right", and small children. That's it. Is it any surprise that WWE is now drawing exactly how it drew when Bret was top dawg.

John Cena is the new Bret Hart...only...you know...more talented in the ring. :p

*Cheap Shot*...I had to take it. :D

You are so wrong on that...

Cena is a BIGGER draw that Bret, not the same. Didn't you read what Rob said!?

Other than that, all true statements.

Eh, I wouldn't credit that with Cena, I'd credit it with Cena had a larger fanbase to drive away than Bret did. Bret only had to get Hogan and Piper fans to stop watching WWE, Cena had to get all of Austin and Rock's fans to leave...

Don't get me wrong, they both did a stand up job of getting people to turn it off, it's just Cena had a much bigger crowd to start with...

On a side note, the average rating between September 2nd, 2002 and when Triple H's reign on top ended was 3.6.

The average rating since Cena has come to Raw... 4.0.

Gee, and here I was trusting the actual reports that came from NMR like a sucker. who know the "100megsfree4" guys knew better than Nielsen?

Since Cena's had thhe belt on him, the ratings have consistently gone lower and lower. They have peaked before each Mania, and any time there's a 3 hour special, ratings spike. The only other real exception was when Edge won the championsip, and within 3 weeks they were down to the Cena ratings level--3.7 (Even according to WWE.com, that was Cena's prior rating).

Also, eyeballing the data I've saved from Nielsen, I'd say the average Cena reign is 3.5. Possibly lower, but I'm erring in favor of good ratings. I didn't index them prior to Cena's reign, however, so I can't say what Triple H's reign drew.

To be fair Cena had help from HHH before him

There is No way Cena can draw now. He's beaten everyone under the sun. No one cares anymore.

Well, show me some links with these supposed 2.7 and 2.9 ratings and then your "facts" will be as valid as two random links I found stating the raw rating.

Show me that these first two sites I found that show the Raw rating have an elaborate plan to lie about the Raw rating on a weekly basis.

Come on...

Come on...

Cena has Main Evented (Or been one of the dual MEs) on the biggest Wrestlemanias in history. Massive buyrates. There's no doubt that they accredit Cena with being responsible. No matter how bad the buyrates or attendences, Mania will always sell because it's Mania. Ratings got up to like the low fours before WM this last time, and it's not JUST because Austin was on. Mania sells. The Rumble Sells. Even Summerslam, to a lesser extent. Raw could be getting TNA ratings, and Mania would sell a million tickets and make zillions of dollars in household ratings.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007...1185373063.php

They're reporting 3.4 too!!!

This is some conspiracy!