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Old 07-26-2007, 05:11 AM   #1
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Vince's theory being tested
With Edge out on Smackdown, it seems the 4 biggest names are all big me. Kane, Khali, Batista, and Mark Henry. Maybe once he realizes big mean do not bring in the crowd (Unless somehow people come to watch them), Vince will quit with his theory about it?
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:58 AM   #2
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With Edge out on Smackdown, it seems the 4 biggest names are all big me. Kane, Khali, Batista, and Mark Henry. Maybe once he realizes big mean do not bring in the crowd (Unless somehow people come to watch them), Vince will quit with his theory about it?
Or he'll decide it's the Cruiserwieght divisions fault, fire them all and push Viscera into the main event scene.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:03 AM   #3
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Or he'll decide it's the Cruiserwieght divisions fault, fire them all and push Viscera into the main event scene.
The more likely response. He still doesn't get that Cena doesn't draw, FFS.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:39 AM   #4
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The more likely response. He still doesn't get that Cena doesn't draw, FFS.
According to Rob, the Observer says that John Cena is one of the top 10 biggest draws of all time. I'll try and find that post (it was a long time ago.)
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It's not a matter of big men vs. small men. It's a matter of talent.

And they have none.

Mike Awesome (RIP) had talent and he was quite the big man. Bag Bam Bigelow the same.

Smackdown's main event has no real TALENT, people. Get it right.
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Get over the fact I like Bret Hart. My liking him doesn't make me blind to everyone else including Shawn Michaels. You on the other hand are borderline obsessed with this feud between them that happened fucking years ago. Actually, I take that back. You are way past that line.

The Wrestling Observer has quarterly break downs of all the stats and Meltzer keeps track of all this shit and Cena is the number 5 all time draw. Bret Hart is 6th. GET OVER IT!
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I never liked Meltzer's bullshit and so I haven't ever seen these breakdowns, but if Rob says it...IT HAS TO BE TRUE! Then again, maybe I am just ignoring it because he isn't telling me what I want to hear, right KK?
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Henry can go when he actually tries. He can even avoid injuring people when he maintains the healthy medium of "Effort" and "Attention". He just tends to see-saw his ability from "So careful I'm immobile" to "Here comes the big, black end of your career."
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Kane has quite a bit of talent for a guy his size. I'll pass on the others, though.

Also, the way they have been pushing John Cena, he would need to be one of the top three draws of all-time to justify it.
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:52 PM   #11
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Aside from sheer talent, Kane also posesses the most character and versatility thereof out of the four big men listed. His storylines can go anywhere, and his personality can fluxuate to any scenario without completely negating his past.

On a side note, there's something I don't get: it was to be Kane vs. Edge one on one for the title. Since Edge is out, it was Kane v. Khali v. Batista. Khali wins...but Kane never got his one on one title shot, and now Batista does. Does this seem wrong to anybody else?
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Old 07-28-2007, 02:09 PM   #12
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Aside from sheer talent, Kane also posesses the most character and versatility thereof out of the four big men listed. His storylines can go anywhere, and his personality can fluxuate to any scenario without completely negating his past.

On a side note, there's something I don't get: it was to be Kane vs. Edge one on one for the title. Since Edge is out, it was Kane v. Khali v. Batista. Khali wins...but Kane never got his one on one title shot, and now Batista does. Does this seem wrong to anybody else?
Makes about as much sense as the rest of Batista's booking.
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Old 07-28-2007, 05:05 PM   #13
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Kane got pinned in the match. Perhaps that had something to do with it.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:32 AM   #14
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Ah; I missed the show and was unaware of the outcome. But then, why act like they're going to pump Kane if, in fact, they are not?
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John Cena a bigger draw than Bret Hart WTF?!
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John Cena a bigger draw than Bret Hart WTF?!
Well, all he had to do was draw a dime.
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Actually, Rey is on his way back. If he can delay getting feaked out about the Smackdown rating for at least another month he can blame it on him as opposed to his beloved big men.
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:12 PM   #22
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Thank you Rob!

It seems like everyone likes to just brush off the women and children cheering for Cena and say he isn't a draw because them and the majority of smarks don't like him.

Vince has stuck with Cena because CENA MAKES MONEY. Those children are having mommy and daddy buy them tons of Cena toys, shirts, etc.
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:45 PM   #23
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Thank you Rob!

It seems like everyone likes to just brush off the women and children cheering for Cena and say he isn't a draw because them and the majority of smarks don't like him.

Vince has stuck with Cena because CENA MAKES MONEY. Those children are having mommy and daddy buy them tons of Cena toys, shirts, etc.
Funny. Raw did 2.9 and 2.7. USA are leaning on WWE. These are not the signs of someone who draws or makes money.
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Funny. Raw did 2.9 and 2.7. USA are leaning on WWE. These are not the signs of someone who draws or makes money.
First of all, ratings are not the only thing you need to look at to see if someone is making money. Are you telling me little aren't getting tons of Cena merchandise? The people who are gonna spend money on WWE shirts and toys and such are not the smarks who hate Cena.

Secondly... when did Raw do a 2.9 and 2.7 rating?
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First of all, ratings are not the only thing you need to look at to see if someone is making money. Are you telling me little aren't getting tons of Cena merchandise? The people who are gonna spend money on WWE shirts and toys and such are not the smarks who hate Cena.

Secondly... when did Raw do a 2.9 and 2.7 rating?
Yes, Stock prices, attendances (Except for Manias as the like) are down. Can't just focus on ratings, when so many markers are down. If USA's on them, it means there is something to be concerned about, BTW.

Second, acording to NMR, The Raw from 2 weeks ago. Don't know what this week's Raw did. Have to wait til Wednesday.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:09 AM   #26
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I never liked Meltzer's bullshit and so I haven't ever seen these breakdowns, but if Rob says it...IT HAS TO BE TRUE! Then again, maybe I am just ignoring it because he isn't telling me what I want to hear, right KK?
You've never seen the breakdowns? Well you don't subscribe to the Observer so how would you? You don't believe Meltzer's bullshit and I'm a born liar so why do you care? And don't say you don't because you always feel the need to gas bag about it like a 90 year old woman at her knitting circle.


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Thank you Rob!

It seems like everyone likes to just brush off the women and children cheering for Cena and say he isn't a draw because them and the majority of smarks don't like him.

Vince has stuck with Cena because CENA MAKES MONEY. Those children are having mommy and daddy buy them tons of Cena toys, shirts, etc.
I was thinking about his drawing power this morning when I was doing my shopping and every single WWE product I saw from sticker books to magazines to DVD's all had his face on them. He doesn't draw though.
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:41 PM   #27
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Yeah, and if WWE was a puppet show on the Disney Channel, that would be a proud marketting ploy.
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Yeah, and if WWE was a puppet show on the Disney Channel, that would be a proud marketting ploy.
Which is probably why Disney's their big competition right now.
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Yeah, and if WWE was a puppet show on the Disney Channel, that would be a proud marketting ploy.

It works though. They are making money off of him. Whether they "should be ashamed" or not is a matter of opinion.
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It works though. They are making money off of him. Whether they "should be ashamed" or not is a matter of opinion.
And they're losing the confidence of not only the USA Network that airs them, but their stockholders.
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Gee, and here I was trusting the actual reports that came from NMR like a sucker. who know the "100megsfree4" guys knew better than Nielsen?

Since Cena's had thhe belt on him, the ratings have consistently gone lower and lower. They have peaked before each Mania, and any time there's a 3 hour special, ratings spike. The only other real exception was when Edge won the championsip, and within 3 weeks they were down to the Cena ratings level--3.7 (Even according to WWE.com, that was Cena's prior rating).
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Gee, and here I was trusting the actual reports that came from NMR like a sucker. who know the "100megsfree4" guys knew better than Nielsen?
Well, show me some links with these supposed 2.7 and 2.9 ratings and then your "facts" will be as valid as two random links I found stating the raw rating.

Show me that these first two sites I found that show the Raw rating have an elaborate plan to lie about the Raw rating on a weekly basis.

Come on...

Come on...
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Well, show me some links with these supposed 2.7 and 2.9 ratings and then your "facts" will be as valid as two random links I found stating the raw rating.

Show me that these first two sites I found that show the Raw rating have an elaborate plan to lie about the Raw rating on a weekly basis.

Come on...

Come on...


If you're too retarded to google "Nielsen Media Research," I won't show you a God Damned thing. Their top ten clearly lists the hours of Raw.

But you had to go and be a big 'tard about it. Instead of actually looking at Nielsen's site, or looking for it, you clung to your stupid little random sites, made some line up about an elaborate plan, and opted to Goad the one with a positive IQ.
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John Cena has the same fans Bret Hart did. The people who will cheer for whoever WWE puts on top as a face, the people who like guys that "stand up for what's right", and small children. That's it. Is it any surprise that WWE is now drawing exactly how it drew when Bret was top dawg.

John Cena is the new Bret Hart...only...you know...more talented in the ring.

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John Cena has the same fans Bret Hart did. The people who will cheer for whoever WWE puts on top as a face, the people who like guys that "stand up for what's right", and small children. That's it. Is it any surprise that WWE is now drawing exactly how it drew when Bret was top dawg.

John Cena is the new Bret Hart...only...you know...more talented in the ring.

*Cheap Shot*...I had to take it.
You are so wrong on that...

Cena is a BIGGER draw that Bret, not the same. Didn't you read what Rob said!?

Other than that, all true statements.
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Eh, I wouldn't credit that with Cena, I'd credit it with Cena had a larger fanbase to drive away than Bret did. Bret only had to get Hogan and Piper fans to stop watching WWE, Cena had to get all of Austin and Rock's fans to leave...

Don't get me wrong, they both did a stand up job of getting people to turn it off, it's just Cena had a much bigger crowd to start with...
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Eh, I wouldn't credit that with Cena, I'd credit it with Cena had a larger fanbase to drive away than Bret did. Bret only had to get Hogan and Piper fans to stop watching WWE, Cena had to get all of Austin and Rock's fans to leave...

Don't get me wrong, they both did a stand up job of getting people to turn it off, it's just Cena had a much bigger crowd to start with...
To be fair Cena had help from HHH before him

There is No way Cena can draw now. He's beaten everyone under the sun. No one cares anymore.
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On a side note, the average rating between September 2nd, 2002 and when Triple H's reign on top ended was 3.6.

The average rating since Cena has come to Raw... 4.0.
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Also, eyeballing the data I've saved from Nielsen, I'd say the average Cena reign is 3.5. Possibly lower, but I'm erring in favor of good ratings. I didn't index them prior to Cena's reign, however, so I can't say what Triple H's reign drew.
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