Orton - Spoiler warnings
 

Honestly, the 'Swog has more claim to the #1 contendership than Jericho. At least 'Swog has worked up through the midcard a bit. Nobody should be given a title shot on their debut/redebut. They've basically equated Jericho's return to that freaking Scott Steiner mess back in '03. Except nobody ever EXPECTED anything from Big Poppa Shithead.

Remember when Hassan debuted.

The storyline for weeks and weeks was that he couldn't get a title shot. ANY title shot. That's when they went down the racist storyline path.

Oh and yeah Flair and MIchaels do rule.

Yeah I know BDC, go to hell jobber. :foc:

He should have had to earn the shot, at the very least. Maybe even have to face Orton in singles competition a couple of times. But this? This is a TNA move.

You know that making sense is against the rules, come on.

Logically speaking, Chris Jericho is the reason that Ric beat Randy (that and a low blow) on RAW, so if it wasn't for the savior, Flair would be retired. If it was the mafia, Flair would owe his life to Jericho. In this case, he just reneges any supposed title contendership status, based on the fact that he cheated to win.

And Shawn didn't "technically" win anything last night. Shawn made the decision to fight Kennedy instead of his opponent, thus getting himself counted out. An amateur mistake for the seasoned HBK, but a loss for his record books none the less.

See? Neither man has contendership over Jericho. You're dilluting yourself.

Fox is right. BDC is watering himself down.

Chris Benoit vs Daniel Benoit for the World Title! Adrian Adonis is the special ref.

You know this is professional entertainme...er....wrestling right?

Dunno, I think you've lost your edge, Daddy.

Fine. Coffeeing yourself down.

Anyway, Fox isn't right. I just wanted to make the diluting crack.

Yeah, Benoit's starting to get ripe. We need a new celebrity suicide to dig up.


Rule #1: If it doesn't make sense, it sells.

Chris Jericho challenging for the WWE Championship makes perfect sense to me. For one, it was not like Jericho walked in and was granted a match. He fucked around with Randy's head until Orton said "OK, you have your match."

Ric Flair did beat Randy Orton, and has a legitimate claim to the WWE Championship. Shawn Michaels lost to Randy Orton last night. It's a Batista-like move to give him another title shot. HBK should be the next WWE Champion, but he is in no way the #1 Contender.

I can see some people's problem with Jericho getting the title shot, and if William Regal or Vince McMahon came out, and said "you're not getting the shot, you haven't been back long enough," then it would make sense. Actually, I'd like to see Regal do that, Jericho remind him that he pissed in his tea, and then Regal and Jericho having a match to decide whether or not Jericho can get the shot.

Jericho has a win against Umaga now, which is pretty impressive. Jeff Hardy also has a win, but he's less proven as far as his resume goes, and he is getting a #1 Contender's opportunity at Armageddon.

So, in summary:

This all makes sense, to a certain degree. So shut the fuck up.

I agree with fox. If it weren't for Jericho Flair would be retired, so shut the fuck up BDC.

Seriously, I’m feelin’ Orton/J. Hardy @ RR ’08 for the WWE title. Jeff loses in a close battle, and over the next couple months we see Jeff and Orton feuding over the title, leading up to a J. Hardy/Orton Main Event for the WWE title at WM XXIV, where Jeff finally (unlike a certain coach in the NFL) wins the big one. That is the only proper way to do this thing.

Which would have been nicer if it hadn't been all of one night.

Not counting his debut, he had like, an altercation and a half with Orton. That's not a lot of fucking with him.

Meh, I don't really care that much, because Jericho makes as much sense as anyone else anyway.

Frankly I’m surprised nobody in the company came up with a hokey billing for the match, such as “The Youngest World Champion In WWE History v. The First Undisputed Champion”. Hell, I’m surprised Jericho didn’t think of that one himself, being as how he’s all about being the first Undisputed Champion and all...

Yeah, because Jeff Hardy has been World Champion how many times? As opposed to Chris Jericho winning the WCW Championship twice, and unifying it with the WWE Championship? In fact, to this day, I think Chris Jericho may be the only man to ever win two seperate World Championships in two matches in one night.

The most Jeff Hardy can claim to is being IC Champion four times, something Chris Jericho has done seven times. Jericho is more decorated, which is what I was referring to when I said resume. Jeff is still a mid-carder on paper.

Jeff Hardy is also not the most over guy on RAW. That much is debatable. Right now, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho would both give him a run for that role. As much as it pains me to say it, so does Triple H.

And the WWE has not acted like being IC Champion has meant anything in years. If it did, the belt would probably be on the line at Armageddon. Winning the Survivor Series match is probably the best thing Jeff Hardy has going for him, and even then, Chris Jericho has won big matches since returning (against Umaga, who is still put over as an unbeatable monster, even though he's losing more and more). Jeff got the last pin, which was good for him, but in the end, it was a tag team victory. Jeff Hardy shared the ultimate win with Triple H, so anything that Jeff can claim from the win, Triple H technically can, too. That may be, you know, why they are having a contenders' match between them on PPV?

Chris Jericho is a makeshift challenger while William Regal sorts out who gets the shot out of Triple H and Jeff Hardy. I'm fairly certain Jericho will be protected, not win the title (although I can see some kind of repeat of the Triple H/Jericho incident from 2000), while Triple H beats Jeff Hardy to get the match at the Royal Rumble. I'm fairly certain Randy Orton will retain there, a real feud between Triple H and Jeff Hardy will kick-start, and Shawn Michaels will get the No Way Out title shot. Chris Jericho should win the 2008 Royal Rumble, and HBK should win the WWE Championship at No Way Out, giving us Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho in the main event.

Wtf is that?

KK carving a Turkey.

Didn't know you came from an Asian background. Must be why you're such a Jimmy Wang Yang fan. :naughty:

When the last 6 months have mostly been perception, and fan boys salivating over Jeff, and the past 6 years completely overshadow any of the accomplishments in the six months, then yes. Absolutely.

Randy Orton's been a pretty solid heel character lately, but the most relevant thing he has done is become the youngest World Champion in WWE history, in my opinion. Chris Jericho being a three-time World Champion completely trumps anything Jeff Hardy has ever done, and at the risk of sounding cynical, may ever do.

I was always under the impression that Orton's first title win (and subsequent claim to be the youngest WWE Champion in history) was because with Lesnar leaving the company, Vince didn't want that record staying with Brock.

It wasn't the fact that Orton was so deserving of the title (although it did make a half-decent storyline with the break-up of Evolution and then Dancin' Dave leaving as well and feuding with HHH) but more the fact that Vince was pissed that Lesnar had the record and there were few other (young) choices at the time to put the title on who could claim the record.

Has anyone else heard this story?

Wow, just.....wow.

He's not Asian, He's a redneck. YEEEEHAAAAW!

Dumbass!

:roll:

:D

It's the most common story/rumor/legend about his title run. Dunno if it's true, but it's very common.

But ask me if in a kayfabe sense Val Venis deserves to get the title shot over Chris Jericho, just because Venis has done more in the last six months (by default).

Jeff Hardy is yet to crack the big one. Chris Jericho cracked said big one three, arguably four times.

That's one perception of it, and while it is true, it was the right move to put the World Heavyweight Championship on Randy Orton at that point in time. Toronto could feel it, and a lot of people were hoping it would happen. Some people claimed that it was a little fast for Orton, but most seemed to agree that he had proven himself a more than capable Champion.

Vince probably had both objectives in mind. Replace Brock Lesnar, and push Randy Orton. A two-for-one deal. Brock Lesnar is still technically the youngest WWE Champion of all-time, though. If all Vince cared about was replacing Lesnar, Orton would have won that belt, or Kenny Dykstra/Chris Masters would have won it by now.

I actually enjoyed that promo of Jericho. It made sense, and was far more entertaining than anything I had seen from John Cena.

But no, I do not think that Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy would be better at Armageddon. Quite frankly, I could not see myself ever buying a PPV with that as the main event. I think that Chris Jericho needs to be protected here, but off his return, this match makes a lot of sense. If he were working on the undercard, he'd just be losing steam, and then the WWE would end up never putting him in the main event.

I will say, however, that with the Royal Rumble looming, the WWE could have had Jericho beat Umaga, or something, qualify for the Rumble, and then win it to get his title shot. Jericho is just a much more credible choice than Jeff Hardy. Shawn Michaels getting another match against Orton was probably the best choice, but that program was doing nothing for me, either.