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The History Of Puroreso and its main stars
The things that hinder me from delving headfirst into japanese wrestling is the fact that I have no idea what matches to watch, where to find out how things are going, and who the top people are.
We all know all about WWF's buyout of everything, the NWA, WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH, etc. but I'd like to get a brief history of Dragongate, NOAH, AJPW, NJPW, etc. I mean I know about the exodus and that stuff but can we get like title histories all kinds of stuff. I have access to a lot of puresero thanks to some amazing people on here. I've played firepro. I'm a big fan of kiwada kabashi, kenta all the other k people. But I dont really know whre guys like CIMA fit into the picture. What is going on and when a match is big. I would like to understand this. WWKD, UWARRIOR, Destor, all the other mofos please help. Maybe a this day in japanese wrestling or a nightly update by wwkd would help? |
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That's a good article I found about the differences between Strong Style (think: NJPW) and King's Road (think: classic AJPW). Helps you realize the differences in styles among Japanese promotions and could help you understand the different psychology of the matches that you might come across. Unfortunately, it doesn't address lucharesu (style that combines lucha libre and puroresu) or garbage puroresu (hardcore, deathmatch style).
I can't give you the best detailed history of promotions though, so I'll leave that for someone else. |
Thanks for the info on strong style and Kings Road
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http://www.puroresucentral.com/
Check it out. Site has the profiles of virtually every wrestler in Japan. |
Search for "puresero" as you put it, on yahoo. Your exact spelling of it.
That's your first problem. |
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I know about the ditch as well. So i mean I have all the stuff at my disposal just no idea where to go. |
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anything CHIKARA is gold, especially for a good laugh.
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That is a very nice read by the way.
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I have a bunch of FMW tapes. Fucking INSANE matches. Onita vs MR. Pogo was a hot feud.
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Chikara is not japanese wrestling... but i do enjoy it.
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Personally, I'm a fan of AJPW before the split with NOAH. Here's a list of a few matches I'd check out if you can find them (I use full names the first mention of a wrestler, then just their last name).
Harley Race v Jumbo Tsuruta 6/11/77 Flair v Jumbo Tsuruta 10/9/81 Jumbo and Genichiro Tenryu v Stan Hansen and Ted Dibiase RWTL '86 Tenryu v Jumbo 10/11/89 4/19/90 Jumbo v Terry Gordy 6/5/90 Gordy v Hansen 6/8/90 Jumbo v Mitsuhara Misawa 9/1/90 Toshiaki Kawada v Dr Death Steve Williams 6/1/91 Misawa v Gordy 6/1/92 Jumbo v Kawada 10/24/91 Kawada v Hansen Champions Carnival 92 Kawada v Akira Taue 9/9/92 Misawa v Hansen 5/21/93 Gordy v Kenta Kobashi 5/21/93 Misawa v Kawada 5/1/98 Kawada v Kobashi 6/12/98 Kobashi v Misawa 10/31/98 Misawa v Kawada 1/22/99 Kawada v Hiroshi Hase 5/22/99 Vader v Misawa 5/2/99 I don't really have much to offer in the way of NJPW or NOAH. I have a few lists and databases of matches that I've obtained but their on an external hard drive so I can't get to them now. There are some matches mentioned in the article I posted from New Japan that I'd check out. If you're into the junior/lucharesu style, try to find some J-Cup tournament matches or some Best of Super Juniors tournaments. |
oops, thought you were talking about indy's in general. I watch some New Japan stuff from time to time. I like seeing how some of the guys the WWE cut fare today (Giant Bernard, Tomko etc..)
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Also, you may notice that the recommendations I've posted tend to be matches comprised of a handful of guys. That's just because I think they help illustrate the King's Road style, in terms of a each individual match being a small part in a larger story. And most are just damn good matches.
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Wiki these promotions
NJPW AJPW NOAH ZERO-ONE FMW MICHINOKU PRO WAR DRAGON GATE OSAKA PRO DDT BIG JAPAN |
I actually broke out an old FMW tape recently. Mike Awesome, Tajiri, Onita, Mr. Pogo put on some fucking brutally violent matches.
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Hiroshi Tanahashi v. Nakamura from 8-7-2005 looks awesome but I can't get the one i have to work :(
12-10-06 looks good too. |
I have an FMW DVD that has alot of matches between FMW vs ECW. I'm not a huge fan of the deathmatch/hardcore style but this was good stuff.
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Yeah, i have a couple Big Japan tapes from ebay, most notably, Big Japan Bardwire Bloddy Best. Fucking brutal, although I found FMW to have better wrestling. |
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Backstories in puroresu would be sort of hard to explain. NOAH is more competiton based (think ROH), so there aren't many stories to explain, but more like rivalries (KENTA/Marufuji for example.)
NJPW is mainly competition based too, but with a bit more of a story aspect. NJPW has been really good the last couple years, post Lesnar. AJPW is in the same boat as NJPW, just not quite as good. Dragongate is insane. They have more "stories" than the big three in Japan, but nothing like you'd see in America for the most part. They also have large chunks of their roster split up into stables (check the Real Hazard thread for info on that.) DDT and Hustle are just hilarious, and are geared more towards story and entertainment. Unfortunately, being in Japanese, it isn't always easy to follow. Still, they are amazing. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, it's hard to explain the back history, so if you're watching older stuff, do it mainly for the quality of the match, or, a series of matches (IE, the matches Nagata/Tanahashi had over the past 2 years in NJPW.) Besides that, you're best bet may be to just "start fresH" and follow it. Depending on the company I can give you a decent amount of recent info so you're not totally lost. Likewise, also use the puroresufan.com network, as they have good sites fo the major feds. |
Dragongate sounds really interesting. have followed AJPW NJPW and NOAH the most so far. Would like to learn More about DDT and Hustle.
Yeah I have to learn japanese. (any recommendations for this would be cool too) |
If you want to learn Japanese, take classes. Also, as odd as it sounds, watch J-Dramas. THere are some really fucking good Japanese dramas out there, and most can be torrented off of d-addicts.com. I'd really suggest taking a more formal approach to learning it though. It's not as hard as you'd think, but it takes time.
Also, can't help you out too much with the history in Hustle or DDT. I watch them when I can, but not enough to really give good info on it. |
like I don't really have money for a class right now. Are there any good cds to download?
what is the best j drama? and.. I guess watching anime isn't really going to help as teh subs are tottally different from what they are saying |
Rosetta Stone is probably your best bet for learning any language.
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damn I'm going to have to delete a lot of stuff to make room for rosetta stone.. :(
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Yeah, if you want to learn on your own, Rosetta stone is the way to go...
J-Drama wise, it depends what you like. "Ikebukuro West Gate Park" is amazing (although the first episode is long, and it's all character intro, so it's hard to get into at first.) "Tiger and Dragon" is probably my favorite. It's hilarious, and it's about a member of the Yakuza who wants to quit and do Rakugo, which is like a style of theater/comedy story telling. Everyone seems to love Great Teacher Onizuka, and in the same vein, Gokusen is really good (the first season.) Trick is a pretty good show too. A lot of people like Hana Yori Dango, and I'll admit, it's really good, despite being a chick show. Eh, I'll just post some links, you an check them out if you want. IWGP: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Ikebukuro_West_Gate_Park Tiger and Dragon: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Tiger_%26_Dragon GTO: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Great_Teacher_Onizuka Gokusen: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Gokusen Kurosagi: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Kurosagi Trick: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Trick Hana Yori Dango: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Hana_Yori_Dango Akihabara@DEEP: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Akihabara%40Deep Sexy Voice and Robo: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Sexy_Voice_and_Robo I dunno, J-Dramas can be pretty awesome, and are usually more entertaining than half the shit on tv here. |
http://d-addicts.com/forum/ is the actual torrent site by the way.
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d-addicts is not working at this time.
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could i find streaming links at todou? I have like no room on my hard drive until I get my 500 gb one back.
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WTF? I give you a good site, and you fuck it up and break it. Douche'.
I don't know about todou. I know there's a site called aznv.tv which streams a shitload of Asian movies, dramas, anime, etc. You need to pay to get full access but it's really fucking cheap ( I think like 10 bucks for 75 streamed hours.) |
Paying for stuff is not an option atm.
None of these are going to have subtitles are they.. :( really considreing deleting an assload of music and getting the rosetta stone. |
Eh, 5 to 10 bucks isn't that much.
Everything on azn.tv has subtiles./ Nearly everything on D-addicts does too, although some of them are soft subbed. |
yeah 5-10 bucks isn't taht much but how would I pay for it without a credit card? and to open one of those you have to have more. sucks.
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Actually, they use paypal.
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If you want an idea of the type of stories that (used to) go on just wiki Misawa and then read through the articles on Kobashi and Kawada. They should lead you to Jumbo, Baba, Mutoh, etc etc.
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Ok let's say i watn to follow the dragongate's main stables feud from the beginning what are the key matches?
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Storylines, and alliances change so much, that it would take way too long to make a timeline of matches.
If you watch one match, watch Dragon Kid vs Darkness Dragon 2/3 falls, from Toryumon. DragonGate USA has profiles of every faction thats ever existed, going back to the beginning of toryumon I think. Read that shit. |
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