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Innovator 12-30-2008 11:34 PM

Michael Cole needs to be fired
 
who's with me?

The Franchise 12-30-2008 11:44 PM

me

The Franchise 12-30-2008 11:44 PM

"not this way! not this way!"

Savio 12-30-2008 11:54 PM

He sucks

Innovator 12-31-2008 12:00 AM

Here comes the undefeated Dolph Ziggler!

Theo Dious 12-31-2008 12:01 AM

I don't need him fired, I just want him off TV. Let him go produce something. Quietly.

Theo Dious 12-31-2008 12:02 AM

I want Vince McMahon back as a commentator, god dammit. Nobody could pretend he thought that was a 3-count like Vince. At least he needs to commentate the Rumble.

"There he goes! Shawn Micheals has been elimi-NO! He's still in it!"

thedamndest 12-31-2008 12:24 AM

"ONE! TWO! HE GOT HI-no, I thought for sure he had him there."

KYR 12-31-2008 12:25 AM

How good would it be if we could have Heenan and Monsoon back :'(

Xero 12-31-2008 12:45 AM

Words could not describe, KYR. Words could not describe.

D Mac 12-31-2008 02:17 AM

Replace him with Joey Styles.

Afterlife 12-31-2008 02:45 AM

I see no faults with Mr. Cole. Or, at any rate, no moreso than with King or JR.

JT 12-31-2008 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac (Post 2382099)
Replace him with Joey Styles.

Was actually going to say "Find me a man as god as JR and you can fire Michael Cole", but you found someone who at least in between. Joey isn't bad at all, but for some reason he just doesn't fit with the WWE style. Whether he isn't good while being produced or just too set in his ways to change (idk), he just doesn't seem to be what WWE...and therefore we don't get him.

Sepholio 12-31-2008 05:00 AM

Cole is awful. I literally mark out when Lawler corrects him.

That is to say I mark out quite alot.

Afterlife 12-31-2008 06:45 AM

What happens when Lawler fucks up? Do you sit quietly and ignore it?

Halbowsky 12-31-2008 08:13 AM

"WAIT A MINUTE!"

i've been calling for Cole's firing ever since WrestleMania XV when he messed up about Austin winning the title.

And I miss Vince on commentary. "One...two...WE GOT A NEW CHAM...oh no..."
Or what he would say to Lawler after an insult: "How dare you!"

James Steele 12-31-2008 08:31 AM

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owenbrown 12-31-2008 09:08 AM

:lol: :rofl:

James Steele 12-31-2008 09:17 AM

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Triple Naitch 12-31-2008 09:50 AM

Todd Grisham rules. Him and Striker are the future of WWE announcing.

I also marked out on Monday when Melina and Beth were fighting on top of the announce table, then Cole slips out of his chair and uses it as a shield.

Kane Knight 12-31-2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2382199)
What happens when Lawler fucks up? Do you sit quietly and ignore it?

Yes.

The Franchise 12-31-2008 02:09 PM

I hated Joey Styles' commentating, to be honest.

BigDaddyCool 12-31-2008 02:19 PM

lol, the Grish thing is gold.

RGWhat316 12-31-2008 02:36 PM

I don't hate Cole, I just think he doesn't fit in as well on RAW. He was fine on SmackDown and should just return there. Not sure what it is, but he just seems kind of annoying on RAW. And I swear he says the name of the show at least 50 times each broadcast. They should just move JR back to RAW, or even Joey Styles.

Afterlife 01-01-2009 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2382335)
Yes.

It is pretty convenient, I guess. I know they haven't mentioned on tv that Sim Snuka is Superfly's adopted son, but King saying he can see the resemblence "in the face, but not in the actions" is just retarded. Not being King or JR doesn't make you immune to imperfection.

Afterlife 01-01-2009 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGWhat316 (Post 2382479)
I don't hate Cole, I just think he doesn't fit in as well on RAW. He was fine on SmackDown and should just return there. Not sure what it is, but he just seems kind of annoying on RAW. And I swear he says the name of the show at least 50 times each broadcast. They should just move JR back to RAW, or even Joey Styles.

They will switch back someday. Little doubt should be carried on that.

XL 01-01-2009 07:42 AM

I hate Lawler tbh. It's hypocritical of him to sit there and correct Cole (thus making him look bad) when he's been sat next to JR fucking up for years.

Striker is really impressive - his knowledge of the business is outstanding.

Personally I'd love Heyman back. He some how made JR tolerable.

Lord-Of-Darkness 01-01-2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2383018)
It is pretty convenient, I guess. I know they haven't mentioned on tv that Sim Snuka is Superfly's adopted son, but King saying he can see the resemblence "in the face, but not in the actions" is just retarded. Not being King or JR doesn't make you immune to imperfection.

Its pretty obvious why. A group of 2nd generation superstars wouldn't be as cool if it was a group of step children or adopted children. The idea is that they are continuing the greatness of their parents. He was simply covering it and selling the character.

Juan 01-01-2009 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2382131)
I see no faults with Mr. Cole. Or, at any rate, no moreso than with King or JR.

AL knows wassup.

Sepholio 01-01-2009 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2382199)
What happens when Lawler fucks up? Do you sit quietly and ignore it?

No, I usually laugh when King does it because he tries to cover it up in hillarious ways most the time. He basically knows when he botched something. Cole on the other hand appears completely oblivious to his mistakes.

I do think Cole is awful, but not bad enough to get rid of him. He just doesnt fit on RAW IMO. He was much better on SD. It is really just a combination of things.

Savio 01-01-2009 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac (Post 2382099)
Replace him with Joey Styles.

no heyman

Afterlife 01-01-2009 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord-Of-Darkness (Post 2383092)
Its pretty obvious why. A group of 2nd generation superstars wouldn't be as cool if it was a group of step children or adopted children. The idea is that they are continuing the greatness of their parents. He was simply covering it and selling the character.

Or he was talking out his ass. Or repeating something from his headset spoken by someone talking out his ass.

Kane Knight 01-02-2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2383018)
It is pretty convenient, I guess. I know they haven't mentioned on tv that Sim Snuka is Superfly's adopted son, but King saying he can see the resemblence "in the face, but not in the actions" is just retarded. Not being King or JR doesn't make you immune to imperfection.

Well, you are talking about wrestling fans, here. The flaws of the established are okay because it's traditional. As a whole, the wrestling community will even make up excuses to justify the old over the new.

Plus, it doesn't hurt that King makes the other guys look bad. Gaffs are easier to see when someone's pointing them out, so when JR or King says "you're wrong," It is more visible than the new guy.

I know Cole's not really "new" per se, but there's a problem with announcers just as much as with performers, in that they've generated a tiered system that prevents anyone from really stepping up. I doubt King or Ross want to let anyone get good or become established, because that means their replacement is on the way. As long as they're the de facto best in the business, they have job security. Just like as long as Trips and Taker are the considered the de facto top names, they have a spot. Of course, Trips is bad example, because he can justify himself for other reasons, but....

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2009 01:23 AM

Michael Cole works really well when he's with a good partner, but when he's with a shitty one, it makes you want to see death to the existence of sound.

When he was with Tazz, JBL and Mick Foley, Cole was more than tolerable. At times he has been the best play-by-play commentator on one of the big shows. Or at least part of the best broadcast team. With Jerry Lawler, though, who is just redundant with his current "I'm as much a face as anyone" character, there's just no dynamic.

I'd actually replace Jerry Lawler before I replaced Michael Cole. Have John Bradshaw Layfield go back to the commentary desk, if you need to. Paul Heyman would probably agree to another paycheck, and even if the WWE didn't like using him in creative, I think they really valued him as an on-screen performer. Tazz could also use another promotion for the years he's put into commentary. He and Cole were great together.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2009 01:24 AM

Can I just say: I hope Todd Grisham and Matt Striker get to call the entirety of the Royal Rumble Match. As "2008 Announcers of the Year" I think they earn the right to call a match like that. Those two are going to be great for the WWE one day (hell, they are already), so giving them that sort of exposure would be fantastic.

AKin3D 01-02-2009 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2383821)
Well, you are talking about wrestling fans, here. The flaws of the established are okay because it's traditional. As a whole, the wrestling community will even make up excuses to justify the old over the new.

Plus, it doesn't hurt that King makes the other guys look bad. Gaffs are easier to see when someone's pointing them out, so when JR or King says "you're wrong," It is more visible than the new guy.

I know Cole's not really "new" per se, but there's a problem with announcers just as much as with performers, in that they've generated a tiered system that prevents anyone from really stepping up. I doubt King or Ross want to let anyone get good or become established, because that means their replacement is on the way. As long as they're the de facto best in the business, they have job security. Just like as long as Trips and Taker are the considered the de facto top names, they have a spot. Of course, Trips is bad example, because he can justify himself for other reasons, but....

Well said KK.

Hell when it comes down to it, there aren't that many people out there who could be good to great annoucers. I mean if by some way Mr. Kennedy ended up behind the desk, I would more than likely work out. A lot of people toss out Josh Mathews as a "hopefully one day" type of guy. Other than those two I can't see anyone else "knowen" filling in the annoucing seat. As for Cole he atless has made that crappy announcing style his knowen for style.

And let's face it, Bradshaw isn't going back unless he has no other choice. As we all knew never say never, but I really do not see Heyman EVER annoucing again. Joey seems happy with the job he has, and also never set well with the WWE fans. Oh and Coach is having a ball on ESPNews.

Xero 01-02-2009 10:38 AM

ROCK BOTTOM! ROCK BOTTOM INTO... INTO THE DOG POOP! THE DOG POOP! THE DOG POOP!

Kane Knight 01-02-2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2384140)
ROCK BOTTOM! ROCK BOTTOM INTO... INTO THE DOG POOP! THE DOG POOP! THE DOG POOP!

TNA's new gimmick match: Six Sides of Doodoo.

Kane Knight 01-02-2009 11:50 AM

I was gonna say Shit, but it's TNA. It's implied.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2009 08:00 PM

And I thought my jokes were bad...


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