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Xero 02-20-2009 09:41 PM

Most overrated wrestler...
 
By the Business:
By the Marks:
By the Smarks:

Of all time or of any era. Go.

BigDaddyCool 02-20-2009 09:42 PM

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Cena
By the Smarks: Jericho

IC Champion 02-20-2009 09:47 PM

Ric Flair...

Triple Naitch 02-20-2009 09:48 PM

By the business: Hulk Hogan
By the marks: Jeff Hardy
By the smarks: Chris Jericho

thedamndest 02-20-2009 09:49 PM

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Jeff Hardy
By the Smarks: CM Punk

Xero 02-20-2009 09:53 PM

By the Business: Hulk Hogan
By the Marks: Jeff Hardy
By the Smarks: Owen Hart

BigDaddyCool 02-20-2009 10:25 PM

What are we changing one name at a time?

Vastardikai 02-20-2009 10:38 PM

By the Business: Ric Flair
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Santino Marella

Lock Jaw 02-20-2009 11:03 PM

By the Business: HHH
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: RVD

Hornicane 02-21-2009 12:06 AM

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Austin
By the Smarks: Punk

Mr. Nerfect 02-21-2009 12:13 AM

By the Business: Triple H
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Ric Flair (with Bret Hart being a close one)

Juan 02-21-2009 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2442932)
By the Business: Triple H
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Ric Flair


CSL 02-21-2009 01:08 AM

Biz: Bob Holly (He had a job for 17 years)

Marks: Batista (Cena is more of a kid thing. Whenever I speak to an older 'mark', Batista and Jeff Hardy tend to be the 'faves' and Jeff > Dancin' Dave) Big Daddy (HUGE draw over here in the 70's and 80's. Beyond diabolical)

Smarks: Danielson (He's good. WE GET IT)

Mercury Bullet 02-21-2009 02:43 AM

Business: Cena
Marks: Cena
Smarks: Christian

Nicky Fives 02-21-2009 10:25 AM

By the Business: Hogan without question
By the Marks: Cena
By the Smarks: tough call..... Flair or Bret???

Ruien 02-21-2009 01:20 PM

Business: Vince (How can you say Hogan, he made sooooo much money)
Marks: Batista
Smarks: Regal

Ruien 02-21-2009 01:21 PM

Although its hard to say Batista or Cena, since they are suppose to be cheered like that. Ya, I will repick my Marks: one after awhile.

Theo Dious 02-21-2009 02:14 PM

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: The Rock (there, I said it.)
By the Smarks: CM Punk

Theo Dious 02-21-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2442823)
By the Smarks: Owen Hart

I still don't think he's the MOST overrated, but I do agree that he deserves a mention. In Owen's case, people judge him majorly by what he supposedly WOULD have been instead of what he was.

James Steele 02-21-2009 02:42 PM

<!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> By the Business: Bret Hart
By the Marks: Bret Hart
By the Smarks: Bret Hart

Nark Order 02-21-2009 02:48 PM

By the Business: Kevin Nash/Triple H
By the Marks: Bill Goldberg
By the Smarks: Ring of Honor

CSL 02-21-2009 02:55 PM

Not understanding the Hogan votes. Nobody in the business saw him as a superior worker, they saw him as straight up cash money and jumped on that train (and why wouldn't you?) Even Hogan knows his role/limitations. The heel's gonna get all his heat, Hogan's gonna hulk up and beat him. Don't think anybody expected any clinics out of him

IC Champion 02-21-2009 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2443419)
<!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> By the Business: Bret Hart
By the Marks: Bret Hart
By the Smarks: Bret Hart

You sir, like to bum rush 5 year old boys.

Theo Dious 02-21-2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2443428)
Not understanding the Hogan votes. Nobody in the business saw him as a superior worker, they saw him as straight up cash money and jumped on that train (and why wouldn't you?) Even Hogan knows his role/limitations. The heel's gonna get all his heat, Hogan's gonna hulk up and beat him. Don't think anybody expected any clinics out of him

Define wrestler. :p

The disconnect lies in this: Hogan was the greatest draw. WAS. There are far too many people within the business who still think he can go out there and work wonders today. And that doesn't happen. It's his current worth that's overrated, not his past contributions.

Watson 02-21-2009 03:34 PM

By the Business: Triple H
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Christian

CSL 02-21-2009 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2443443)
Define wrestler. :p

The disconnect lies in this: Hogan was the greatest draw. WAS. There are far too many people within the business who still think he can go out there and work wonders today. And that doesn't happen. It's his current worth that's overrated, not his past contributions.

He's not main eventing or placed as the guy relied on to draw nowadays though. And besides, anywhere but WWE, the ratings/gate would (probably) go up.

Ruien 02-21-2009 07:05 PM

When Cena barly gets cheered, how is that overrating?

Lock Jaw 02-21-2009 07:32 PM

I guess because the people who cheer him overrate him SO much that the WWE doesn't just turn him heel.

thedamndest 02-21-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2443428)
Not understanding the Hogan votes. Nobody in the business saw him as a superior worker, they saw him as straight up cash money and jumped on that train (and why wouldn't you?) Even Hogan knows his role/limitations. The heel's gonna get all his heat, Hogan's gonna hulk up and beat him. Don't think anybody expected any clinics out of him

My vote was pretty much based on after his WM VII to WCW stuff (probably excluding early to mid nWo because his heel turn made him WHITE hot). The early days of Hulkamania were such that they did call for Hogan to go over everybody in sight, but I think the turning point on that was Wrestlemania VI. The end of an era, in some ways. I don't mean the passing of the torch, namely because Warrior didn't stick around, but we saw that Hogan could be beaten cleanly. Instead of putting over Bret, Hogan went to WCW and Hulkamania ran wild over...Kevin Sullivan and the Dungeon of Doom.

It doesn't really have anything to do with Hogan's ability to work a match. Say what you will, Hulkamania or Hollywood Hogan brought people to their feet every time. Hogan just held a position on the card that he really didn't need to be in for way too long.

Rollermacka 02-21-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2442804)
By the Business:
By the Marks:
By the Smarks:

Of all time or of any era. Go.

... pst hey Xero what does "smarks" mean? :shifty:

Xero 02-21-2009 09:54 PM

I didn't want to distinguish between smarts and smart marks, so it's both, okay?

Kane86 02-21-2009 10:52 PM

By the Business:Santion Marella (HES NOT EVEN A FUCKING WRESTLER)


Fuck you and Shut up SCREECH!

Mr. Nerfect 02-21-2009 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2443428)
Not understanding the Hogan votes. Nobody in the business saw him as a superior worker, they saw him as straight up cash money and jumped on that train (and why wouldn't you?) Even Hogan knows his role/limitations. The heel's gonna get all his heat, Hogan's gonna hulk up and beat him. Don't think anybody expected any clinics out of him

I agree, truthfully. By the business would mean who is generally pushed and doesn't deserve it/is given too much credit by people within the industry? I can understand John Cena and Triple H as answers there. Sure, Hogan is responsible for some crushing politics, but he's probably the reason that there was a business to hurt in the first place.

screech 02-21-2009 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane86 (Post 2443783)
By the Business:Santion Marella (HES NOT EVEN A FUCKING WRESTLER)


Fuck you and Shut up SCREECH!

...I haven't even posted in here yet.

Now I will, though.

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Cena
By the Smarks: Flair

James Steele 02-22-2009 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 2443434)
You sir, like to bum rush 5 year old boys.

Why? Is it because I stated what most people think but refuse to say because OMG ITS BRET HART! HE'LL CRY IF WE CHIP AWAY AT HIS EGO!

Seriously, Bret was no doubt an AMAZING technical wrestler. However, he is not one of the greatest all around pro wrestlers ever. He had mediocre mic skills, except for his feud with HBK and DX. He was a selfish sack of shit who thought he was bigger than the business that made him. He thinks Canada will crumble without him waving the banner of PERFECTION. Most smarks think he did no wrong, ever, the business overvalues his impact. Bret Hart inspired RoH, but Shawn Michaels inspired the future of WWE...you know the wrestling most people watch, because it doesnt require a chip on your shoulder about technical prowess. Also, marks are forced to believe that Bret Hart was a family man (because his mom couldn't close his legs), inspired countless canadian wrestlers (despite him only training TEST), and of course, that he was nothing more than diamond in the pile of shit in mid 90s. I would say something about Shawn Michaels being the bigger diamond, but that should already be known...since HBK solidified Steve Austin, helped develop Triple H, give classic after classic...but because he didn't put up with the self-righteous pink-wearing prick...he is nothing but a snot-nosed brat? Fuck you, and your asshole hero.

Lord-Of-Darkness 02-22-2009 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2442978)

Big Daddy (HUGE draw over here in the 70's and 80's. Beyond diabolical)



:lol: Yeah, I remember when I was younger and I'd tell older relatives that I watched wrestling, and all they'd tell me about would be Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks on ITV....


I remember last year Dwayne Johnson was on Jonathon Ross, promoting the Game Plan, and Ross was saying something about his wrestling roots, and continued on to show a video clip of Hastacks vs Big Daddy. You could just feel how awkward the Rock felt as he said 'um yeah....thats....thats good stuff..'

Kinda felt embarresed for him...

NoRoolz 02-22-2009 01:09 PM

Business: Hogan
Marks: Cena
Smarks: Flair

Kane86 02-22-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2444123)
Why? Is it because I stated what most people think but refuse to say because OMG ITS BRET HART! HE'LL CRY IF WE CHIP AWAY AT HIS EGO!

Seriously, Bret was no doubt an AMAZING technical wrestler. However, he is not one of the greatest all around pro wrestlers ever. He had mediocre mic skills, except for his feud with HBK and DX. He was a selfish sack of shit who thought he was bigger than the business that made him. He thinks Canada will crumble without him waving the banner of PERFECTION. Most smarks think he did no wrong, ever, the business overvalues his impact. Bret Hart inspired RoH, but Shawn Michaels inspired the future of WWE...you know the wrestling most people watch, because it doesnt require a chip on your shoulder about technical prowess. Also, marks are forced to believe that Bret Hart was a family man (because his mom couldn't close his legs), inspired countless canadian wrestlers (despite him only training TEST), and of course, that he was nothing more than diamond in the pile of shit in mid 90s. I would say something about Shawn Michaels being the bigger diamond, but that should already be known...since HBK solidified Steve Austin, helped develop Triple H, give classic after classic...but because he didn't put up with the self-righteous pink-wearing prick...he is nothing but a snot-nosed brat? Fuck you, and your asshole hero.

Wow you finally explained why I have giving a fuck less about Bret Hart. Thank you i am glad i am not the only who feels this way............ After watching Bret Hart:Wrestling with Shadows and that pointed out how scared he is to give up his top spot and roll with the changes. That is when i realized that i could give a fuck less about Brett Hart.

Gertner 02-22-2009 04:21 PM

Business: Nash
Marks: John Cena
Smarks: Bret Hart

IC Champion 02-22-2009 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2444123)
Why? Is it because I stated what most people think but refuse to say because OMG ITS BRET HART! HE'LL CRY IF WE CHIP AWAY AT HIS EGO!

Seriously, Bret was no doubt an AMAZING technical wrestler. However, he is not one of the greatest all around pro wrestlers ever. He had mediocre mic skills, except for his feud with HBK and DX. He was a selfish sack of shit who thought he was bigger than the business that made him. He thinks Canada will crumble without him waving the banner of PERFECTION. Most smarks think he did no wrong, ever, the business overvalues his impact. Bret Hart inspired RoH, but Shawn Michaels inspired the future of WWE...you know the wrestling most people watch, because it doesnt require a chip on your shoulder about technical prowess. Also, marks are forced to believe that Bret Hart was a family man (because his mom couldn't close his legs), inspired countless canadian wrestlers (despite him only training TEST), and of course, that he was nothing more than diamond in the pile of shit in mid 90s. I would say something about Shawn Michaels being the bigger diamond, but that should already be known...since HBK solidified Steve Austin, helped develop Triple H, give classic after classic...but because he didn't put up with the self-righteous pink-wearing prick...he is nothing but a snot-nosed brat? Fuck you, and your asshole hero.

He is hardly the most over rated. Jesus, you don't know who HHH is? You suck his cock in your dreams every night.

You keep thinking a Jesus Freak is the greatest, fucking texans.


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