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Afterlife 08-06-2009 02:34 PM

Cruiserweight Title
 
I think it should come back so guys like Yoshi Tatsu and Evan Bourne have something to do without the inevitable David and Goliath crap. However, I don't think it should be and SD! exclusive, as it used to be. I think it should make a return and be treated like the Tag Titles; champ is on one roster, but goes where his opponents are for feuding purposes. Same could (and should) be done for the womens' title. And piss on that Divas garbage.

What say you, the common man?

Anybody Thrilla 08-06-2009 02:38 PM

They should just recreate WCW's Cruiserweight division.

Anybody Thrilla 08-06-2009 02:38 PM

Somebody get Silver King on the phone right now.

screech 08-06-2009 02:40 PM

I like the idea. There are a lot of smaller guys who just don't fit into the midcard title or main event scenes, so this would definitely give them something meaningful to do.

Not that guys should need a title to chase to be doing something meaningful, but that's what WWE has come to unfortunately.

I also would piss on the Divas title and have the Women's title across the brands.

Nicky Fives 08-06-2009 04:05 PM

don't think it would work... as guys like CM Punk, Chris Jericho, John Morrison, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, etc. are all in the "heavyweight" division, yet none weigh more than 230 pounds.... If I remember correctly, the CW limit was 220, so most of these guys would only have to drop less than 10 pounds to become cruiserweights..... doesn't make sense

Juan 08-06-2009 04:08 PM

No. The titles on TV are, for the most part, booked rather poorly. I'd rather they fix that before adding another title.

Gertner 08-06-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2662074)
Somebody get Silver King on the phone right now.

Where's El Dandy? Who are you to doubt El Dandy!

Anybody Thrilla 08-06-2009 04:20 PM

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!

Anybody Thrilla 08-06-2009 04:21 PM

If you're reading this El Dandy, one thousand apologies. Please don't hunt me down and dandy me to death. :(

Lock Jaw 08-06-2009 04:45 PM

Have you notice Super Calo's shades NEVER come off?

Anybody Thrilla 08-06-2009 04:49 PM

That's what I loved most about him.

FourFifty 08-06-2009 04:58 PM

It'll be an easy way to get a belt on Chavo. The Swog was the last CW champ, so just have a title match. Chavo goes over, and celebrates like he just won a gold medal with a broken freakin' neck.

Afterlife 08-06-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2662171)
No. The titles on TV are, for the most part, booked rather poorly. I'd rather they fix that before adding another title.

Pissing the on the Divas "title" and replacing it with the CW title isn't adding more, it's redacting a joke and reinstating a real goal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2662249)
It'll be an easy way to get a belt on Chavo. The Swog was the last CW champ, so just have a title match. Chavo goes over, and celebrates like he just won a gold medal with a broken freakin' neck.


Then he could actually use that to boost his morale and start -- get this -- defeating opponents in his division.

Juan 08-06-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2662299)
Pissing the on the Divas "title" and replacing it with the CW title isn't adding more, it's redacting a joke and reinstating a real goal.

Although unneeded, I don't consider the Divas title a joke. Especially now that it's on Raw and it looks like we're gonna get a nice Gail Kim/Mickie James feud.

I see your point though. I guess my point is that there are way too many titles period.

Afterlife 08-06-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2662314)
Although unneeded, I don't consider the Divas title a joke. Especially now that it's on Raw and it looks like we're gonna get a nice Gail Kim/Mickie James feud.

I see your point though. I guess my point is that there are way too many titles period.

I don't see it as too many. One womens' title and a lightheavyweight title as interbrand goals should be sufficient, though. That way, more guys are wrestling for a reason, even if that reason is just to gain contendership for the title of their choice. And like people watch chick fights, anyway.

I do think, though, that most of the titles are afterthoughts.

Chavo Classic 08-06-2009 05:50 PM

Seeing as they've tried this before - bringing it back multiple times, pushing it hard then within 12 months dumping on it - then I don't agree.

If Evan Bourne or Tatsu get over enough then there's always the US or IC titles, or even the tag titles with a partner (Kendrick and London were a great example).

DAMN iNATOR 08-07-2009 12:28 AM

Nah. They had their chances to book the CW title properly in the past, and rarely, if EVER, even, were they.

And I entirely agree with Afterlife about the Women's Championship thing...get rid of the Divas Championship and just call the Women's title the Undisputed Women's title, and allow it to be fought for/defended at anytime anywhere, by and between any divas, a la the Undisputed Tag titles...that way instead of two separate, branded women's division titles, you have ONE that can be defended not just on RAW or SmackDown! or at a pay-per-view, but also, ECW, which since it has been added to WWE's portfolio, has not had any such title for any of the women to win or defend, and yes, there's VERY few divas on ECW itself, but hey, it would still give them something to strive for instead of just being eye candy on ECW all the time.

Theo Dious 08-07-2009 12:41 AM

Have you ever noticed how injury prone the women's division can be? Maybe we should think twice before we put the title on a Diva who will have to be available for every show?

DAMN iNATOR 08-07-2009 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2662733)
Have you ever noticed how injury prone the women's division can be? Maybe we should think twice before we put the title on a Diva who will have to be available for every show?

:lol::rofl:, dude most of the divas aren't that injury-prone. Sure a few have gotten hurt and unfortunately had to have their title reigns cut short, but I'd be willing to wager the number or percentage or what have you, of divas who've had to cut their title reigns short is about on par with the guys.

Afterlife 08-07-2009 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2662733)
Have you ever noticed how injury prone the women's division can be? Maybe we should think twice before we put the title on a Diva who will have to be available for every show?

Batista's a chick?

Besides, nobody gives a rat's ass about chick fights, so it's not like it would matter.

Mr. Nerfect 08-07-2009 06:43 AM

I was against the idea of scrapping the Cruiserweight Title, but I am not a fan of bringing it back. Looking at things realistically, the WWE will just book the division poorly. A guy like Evan Bourne looks infinitely better challenging for the ECW Title than being Cruiserweight Champion.

Plus, so many of the main eventers in the WWE are cruiserweights, anyway. Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Christian and Jeff Hardy are all former Cruiserweight or Light Heavyweight Champions. John Morrison and Chavo Guerrero are former ECW Champions, and they are cruiserweights. JBL was the last guy to mention the weight limit for the Cruiserweight Title, and he suggested it was 225lbs. That puts CM Punk and Shawn Michaels under the banner, as well.

So tell me: Why should a guy challenge for the Cruiserweight Title? I mean, seriously. Why do some guys go for the Cruiserweight Title, while other men who are technically cruiserweights, don't challenge for it. It'd be like a female worker deciding she doesn't want to be the WWE Women's Champion anymore, and chasing anything else. The Women's Title should be it for female wrestlers, and the Cruiserweight Title should be it for cruiserweights.

That means you'd have to change booking considerably, and convince someone like Shawn Michaels that being the Cruiserweight Champion is a good idea for him.

DAMN iNATOR 08-07-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2663032)
I was against the idea of scrapping the Cruiserweight Title, but I am not a fan of bringing it back. Looking at things realistically, the WWE will just book the division poorly. A guy like Evan Bourne looks infinitely better challenging for the ECW Title than being Cruiserweight Champion.

Plus, so many of the main eventers in the WWE are cruiserweights, anyway. Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Christian and Jeff Hardy are all former Cruiserweight or Light Heavyweight Champions. John Morrison and Chavo Guerrero are former ECW Champions, and they are cruiserweights. JBL was the last guy to mention the weight limit for the Cruiserweight Title, and he suggested it was 225lbs. That puts CM Punk and Shawn Michaels under the banner, as well.

So tell me: Why should a guy challenge for the Cruiserweight Title? I mean, seriously. Why do some guys go for the Cruiserweight Title, while other men who are technically cruiserweights, don't challenge for it. It'd be like a female worker deciding she doesn't want to be the WWE Women's Champion anymore, and chasing anything else. The Women's Title should be it for female wrestlers, and the Cruiserweight Title should be it for cruiserweights.

That means you'd have to change booking considerably, and convince someone like Shawn Michaels that being the Cruiserweight Champion is a good idea for him.

I had heard Matt Hardy once say that he was going to get to <220 lbs. because that was the weight limit for being accepted as a Cruiserweight, but maybe that happened before JBL's "decree" or whatever.

Mr. Nerfect 08-07-2009 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 2663079)
I had heard Matt Hardy once say that he was going to get to <220 lbs. because that was the weight limit for being accepted as a Cruiserweight, but maybe that happened before JBL's "decree" or whatever.

Yeah, that was a couple of years before.

NoRoolz 08-07-2009 10:08 AM

Yeah that was when Mattitude was in it's prime and Shannon Moore was his lackey :D.

Very late '02/Early '03 I believe.

Anybody Thrilla 08-07-2009 10:27 AM

I feel like the Cruiserweight limit in WCW was 215, but the Lightheavyweight limit in WWF was 225. I could be entirely wrong, of course.

Lock Jaw 08-07-2009 06:58 PM

Y-Division Title.

Mr. Nerfect 08-08-2009 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoRoolz (Post 2663125)
Yeah that was when Mattitude was in it's prime and Shannon Moore was his lackey :D.

Very late '02/Early '03 I believe.

You are correct. Matt Hardy successully defended the Cruiserweight Title against Rey Mysterio at WrestleMania XIX in 2003.

Mr. Nerfect 08-08-2009 12:09 AM

I did think about bringing back the Cruiserweight Title for a little bit when Vickie Guerrero was still RAW General Manager -- as a sort of gift to keep Chavo happy. The title wouldn't be used as a legitimate institution, but entirely as a prop to give Chavo something to do.

I still wouldn't mind it if they did it, perhaps with Chavo just coming out with the belt after he defeats Hornswoggle one night, and saying that he is the "honourary Cruiserweight Champion." He can then work with guys like Primo and Evan Bourne. But then they've got to drop the title, and let the smaller men climb the ranks.

DAMN iNATOR 08-09-2009 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2663926)
You are correct. Matt Hardy successully defended the Cruiserweight Title against Rey Mysterio at WrestleMania XIX in 2003.

Yeah, he won it from Kidman at No Way Out '03. (\/)
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