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Old 05-27-2010, 08:13 PM   #1
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Undertaker's Next Wrestlemania Opponent
should be Chris Jericho.

He's always wanted to prove that he's better than HBK, what better way than to defeat Taker at Wrestlemania?

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Jericho would actually be the perfect interlude between Michaels and Cena.

Cena should be Taker's 20th (and final) victory. Jericho would have an awesome match with Taker in the mean time.
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Jericho would actually be the perfect interlude between Michaels and Cena.

Cena should be Taker's 20th (and final) victory. Jericho would have an awesome match with Taker in the mean time.
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Jericho would actually be the perfect interlude between Michaels and Cena.

Cena should be Taker's 20th (and final) victory. Jericho would have an awesome match with Taker in the mean time.
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My 'dream booking' scenario for a while now outside of 'The Second City Saints winning and holding every title WWE have including Womens' has been John Cena turning heel and beating the Undertaker to end the streak. The only problem I see with Jericho is that nobody is going to buy him as a threat to the streak.
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My 'dream booking' scenario for a while now outside of 'The Second City Saints winning and holding every title WWE have including Womens' has been John Cena turning heel and beating the Undertaker to end the streak. The only problem I see with Jericho is that nobody is going to buy him as a threat to the streak.
He'd have to beat him twice before next Wrestlemania.

Big thing to remember: He beat him (with HBK's help) right before 'Mania. If the feud is done right and I think it could be it would be an amazing match.

Remember Jericho trying to recreate HBK's Rumble Victory? His obsession with surpassing his legacy?

Jericho VS. Undertaker
World Title VS. Streak

Hell, add in HBK for some non-wrestling interaction and this could be the best feud in years.
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I think it'll be Cena vs. Taker, and both will have their current characters.
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After all they've done to water down everything Cena's been apart of and pushing him down our throats time and time again, letting him end the streak is a slap in the face of not only the streak but the fans, heel or face.

I'm all for the match, especially with a heel Cena, but not Cena going over.

It'd have to be a heel Cena anyway. No way they can pull off a Face vs Face match in this scenario without him being shit on throughout the whole thing.
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After all they've done to water down everything Cena's been apart of and pushing him down our throats time and time again, letting him end the streak is a slap in the face of not only the streak but the fans, heel or face.

I'm all for the match, especially with a heel Cena, but not Cena going over.

It'd have to be a heel Cena anyway. No way they can pull off a Face vs Face match in this scenario without him being shit on throughout the whole thing.
This. But not just for Cena. The streak should remain intact regardless of who the opponent may be.
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This. But not just for Cena. The streak should remain intact regardless of who the opponent may be.
I agree, but Cena would be dead last on my list of people who could potentially end it.
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So you have genuine reasons for him being 'dead last on my list of people who could potentially end it'?

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After all they've done to water down everything Cena's been apart of and pushing him down our throats time and time again, letting him end the streak is a slap in the face of not only the streak but the fans, heel or face.

I'm all for the match, especially with a heel Cena, but not Cena going over.

It'd have to be a heel Cena anyway. No way they can pull off a Face vs Face match in this scenario without him being shit on throughout the whole thing.
One of the big advantages of turning him heel (in fact probably the biggest) is to reinvent and refresh his character. And who is it a slap in the face of? The IWC? Taker himself? I doubt it.

And I don't think Cena would have to be a heel at all. The crowd shitting on him over Taker would fit perfectly into the angle since the main basis for his eventual turn should simply be 'I bust my ass for you, you still boo me'. I'm not seeing what money Vince McMahon can make from The Undertaker retiring having never been beaten at WrestleMania. I see big $$$ in John Cena turning heel and ending the streak.
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One of the big advantages of turning him heel (in fact probably the biggest) is to reinvent and refresh his character. And who is it a slap in the face of? The IWC? Taker himself? I doubt it.

And I don't think Cena would have to be a heel at all. The crowd shitting on him over Taker would fit perfectly into the angle since the main basis for his eventual turn should simply be 'I bust my ass for you, you still boo me'. I'm not seeing what money Vince McMahon can make from The Undertaker retiring having never been beaten at WrestleMania. I see big $$$ in John Cena turning heel and ending the streak.
Does WWE see big money in turning Cena heel and losing their merch machine, though?

Vince makes no money from Taker keeping the streak. But does he honestly get that much more with Cena beating the streak? What would he gain with Cena beating the streak? A tarnished blip on Taker's record and it'd be forgotten within four months. That's how Cena's character works.

In the long run, a heel Cena is best for the company if, and only if, they have a face who is equal or more than what Cena is now. Cena is the face of the company and turning him anytime soon would be a BAD move.

If WWE is willing to lose the merch or can get someone outside of anyone else on the roster right now to Cena's level, they can do it. But NO ONE is on face Cena's level outside of guys who will be gone within a few years.

And no, if crowds are shitting on Cena for months on end it doesn't work for his character. He'd be the heel and WWE would be forcing him into a face position, which would be terrible.
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Does WWE see big money in turning Cena heel and losing their merch machine, though?
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My 'dream booking' scenario for a while now outside of 'The Second City Saints winning and holding every title WWE have including Womens' has been John Cena turning heel and beating the Undertaker to end the streak.
CM Punk and Colt Cabana are never going to hold all of the titles (including Womens) in WWE.
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One of the big advantages of turning him heel (in fact probably the biggest) is to reinvent and refresh his character. And who is it a slap in the face of? The IWC? Taker himself? I doubt it.

And I don't think Cena would have to be a heel at all. The crowd shitting on him over Taker would fit perfectly into the angle since the main basis for his eventual turn should simply be 'I bust my ass for you, you still boo me'. I'm not seeing what money Vince McMahon can make from The Undertaker retiring having never been beaten at WrestleMania. I see big $$$ in John Cena turning heel and ending the streak.
There's no need to turn Cena heel. Him getting booed by the live audience has not affected business at all and he's still WWE's biggest draw.
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This thread seems awful familiay I agree that Jericho should face Taker at WM28 and then face Cena at WM29 or vice versa is fine too but Cena has the better record afterall.
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Jericho is a great selection. In terms of ability and showmanship, I don't think anyone can match up with him at the present time. That being said I wouldn't mind seeing Kane get another shot at the streak. I know that he's already had at least two WM matches against Taker, but I don't see him being around for much longer, and one final push in his career would be nice
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Jericho is a great selection. In terms of ability and showmanship, I don't think anyone can match up with him at the present time. That being said I wouldn't mind seeing Kane get another shot at the streak. I know that he's already had at least two WM matches against Taker, but I don't see him being around for much longer, and one final push in his career would be nice
That would actually be an interesting aspect of the whole Taker/Kane saga. They could do Taker vs Kane and have Taker end the Kane character at Mania. It'd be a fitting end, with Kane's career coming full-circle.
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Like CSL said, Jericho, as credible as he is, wouldn't be seen as a threat to the Undertaker's streak. I don't think anyone here is going to believe that Jericho will end the Undertaker's streak.

One person that could step up to the plate could be Kane...but i'd like to see Kane slowly make his way back to the Masked Sadistic Kane for the match. That would make it more exciting and fresh.

The only other person would be Big Show (because there's no way UT is picking his big ass up for the tombstone), or HHH since Undertaker took out HBK, kayfabe-wise.
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Like CSL said, Jericho, as credible as he is, wouldn't be seen as a threat to the Undertaker's streak. I don't think anyone here is going to believe that Jericho will end the Undertaker's streak.

One person that could step up to the plate could be Kane...but i'd like to see Kane slowly make his way back to the Masked Sadistic Kane for the match. That would make it more exciting and fresh.

The only other person would be Big Show (because there's no way UT is picking his big ass up for the tombstone), or HHH since Undertaker took out HBK, kayfabe-wise.
How is Kane a bigger threat than Jericho? Kane is a jobber who has lost many times before to Taker. At least with Jericho there is the possibility of him out smarting Taker.
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But Cena could be the "last" opponent of WrestleMania for the Undertaker
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Yeah, other than Jericho, there isn't anyone else really that would be an acceptable opponent for 19-0. I guess Triple H but that has a very slim chance of happening. The only other people I can think of are maybe CM Punk or Jack Swagger if it's for the World Title with Taker going over.

Jericho would be the best case scenario for next year and then Cena for the 20-0 and retirement. With Jericho we should get some very entertaining promos at the very least. No matter who Taker faces, the feud will ultimately be the same as every year -- "I'm going to end the streak!" "You will rest...in...peace" etc etc but Jericho should add a little "pizaz" to the feud.

Another route they COULD take is to do Cena vs Taker next year and then do Vince vs Taker for 20-0.
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Another route they COULD take is to do Cena vs Taker next year and then do Vince vs Taker for 20-0.
Oh God, that sounds so horrible. Mostly because it sounds like something WWE would actually consider doing.
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Honestly?

I feel it's going to be Glen Jacobs, KANE!

The "brothers" have gone through alot and I feel that Kane will retire The Undertaker in some capacity next Wrestlemania. It's going from Flair, to HBK, to Undertaker...

I think that Kane will get a huge push in the fall so they can build it up and make it EPIC.

I only seeing this being the case due to their past history. Maybe Paul Bearer will come out with Kane too.
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I feel it's going to be Glen Jacobs, KANE!

The "brothers" have gone through alot and I feel that Kane will retire The Undertaker in some capacity next Wrestlemania. It's going from Flair, to HBK, to Undertaker...

I think that Kane will get a huge push in the fall so they can build it up and make it EPIC.

I only seeing this being the case due to their past history. Maybe Paul Bearer will come out with Kane too.
didn't Jacobs say he had no interest in Kane ending "The Streak?"
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I don't think that ANYONE, realistically, is a threat to the streak outside of Cena. Kane could never get back to what he was when he was at his peak after all they've done to the character. Putting the mask back on is just a spritz of warter on a soiled pair of underwear that was lit ablaze.

At least Jericho could make the feud entertaining, as could someone like Punk.

Punk would actually be a great one if they worked with it by having Punk call Taker on his mind games being his drug etc etc. Still fantasizing about Taker being crucified on the Straight Edge symbol.

I'm of the opinion that Taker has two more Manias, and is leaving after 20 Manias. Whether he wins or loses the 20th is up in the air (I'd rather him not obviously). But that 20th has to be against Cena, only because Cena is the biggest thing they will have in two years.

Hunter is another one, and would be an amazing match, especially with the story behind it. Now that I think about it, he and Cena are really the last two left. I still think Cena would be the bigger of the two in terms of draw, but the story would be much more interesting.
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I don't think that ANYONE, realistically, is a threat to the streak outside of Cena. Kane could never get back to what he was when he was at his peak after all they've done to the character. Putting the mask back on is just a spritz of warter on a soiled pair of underwear that was lit ablaze.

At least Jericho could make the feud entertaining, as could someone like Punk.

Punk would actually be a great one if they worked with it by having Punk call Taker on his mind games being his drug etc etc. Still fantasizing about Taker being crucified on the Straight Edge symbol.

I'm of the opinion that Taker has two more Manias, and is leaving after 20 Manias. Whether he wins or loses the 20th is up in the air (I'd rather him not obviously). But that 20th has to be against Cena, only because Cena is the biggest thing they will have in two years.

Hunter is another one, and would be an amazing match, especially with the story behind it. Now that I think about it, he and Cena are really the last two left. I still think Cena would be the bigger of the two in terms of draw, but the story would be much more interesting.
Yup gotta go with this... Cena is the lovechild that is Hogan /Rock/Austin TO VINCE in his head... Obviously...

Jericho & Punk would be insanely entertaining but we all know that ain't happening... Jericho a close possible 2nd... I think it will inevitably be Cena/Taker to end the Deadman's career... Do I think Taker will lose... After the great build up of this past years WM... Who knows if it stays intact...
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Agreed with Xero. Ideally I want to see him face either Jericho or HHH next year and then Cena at WM 28 (retiring 20-0).

I think Hunter has "chilled out" over the last few years and wouldn't have an issue with losing to Taker at Mania. If this were to happen they could do the "avenging his best friend" storyline with the added bonus of them being the two biggest stars in the WWE (other than Cena).

I hope they don't do a cop out match like Mark Henry.... like Swagger vs Taker for the title.
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Jericho would be awesome for the buildup, and the match itself would be awesome, but I agree that most people won't buy him as a legitimate threat to the streak.
After the threats they've thrown at him the past few years, nobody's going to have doubts going in.

I think that a triple threat situation would probably present the best suspense. With the right build and opponents, people might believe that Taker could lose without getting pinned. Maybe Jericho and Punk, or Jericho and Edge? HHH?

There aren't really many more scenarios up to the standard they've set. Cena is really the last huge threat, and that should be the 20th and final match like suggested.
I think the triple threat is the best thing I can think of right now for the 19th.
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Lesnar vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania would have been amazing and a total nailbiter. They had that great hell in a cell match, but that wasn't at Mania and it wasn't with Taker's deadman gimmick
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You're the one bringing up money issues.
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You're the one bringing up money issues.
The reason I quoted that part of your post is because I think it's essentially the only thing stopping him from being turned already. I disagreed about the rest of your post but what's the point in explaining why when the first part renders the rest moot and we're potentially a long time away from it happening?

Like Jeritron, I'm pretty sure they'll turn Cena at some point and I think with the correct opponent/s, it would work very well, make a lot of money and John Cena would excel. I just don't really have any desire to speculate about it atm, especially not with somebody that shares the OTT internet view of John Cena. Would probably go on forever.
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The reason I quoted that part of your post is because I think it's essentially the only thing stopping him from being turned already. I disagreed about the rest of your post but what's the point in explaining why when the first part renders the rest moot and we're potentially a long time away from it happening?

Like Jeritron, I'm pretty sure they'll turn Cena at some point and I think with the correct opponent/s, it would work very well, make a lot of money and John Cena would excel. I just don't really have any desire to speculate about it atm, especially not with somebody that shares the OTT internet view of John Cena. Would probably go on forever.
I don't share the IWC's view of Cena. If I did I never would have said turning him heel would be bad.
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Eventually Cena will stop being a merch machine though. Not soon, but eventually. I think Vince is smart enough to realize this.
I firmly believe that he will turn heel down the road, just as soon as they have another top face and merch machine.
A heel turn doesn't only mean a creative decision, but it presents longterm business potential. If his merchandising is dwindling, a heel turn could lead to the subsequent face turn which provides an all new boost to popularity
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Eventually Cena will stop being a merch machine though. Not soon, but eventually. I think Vince is smart enough to realize this.
I firmly believe that he will turn heel down the road, just as soon as they have another top face and merch machine.
A heel turn doesn't only mean a creative decision, but it presents longterm business potential. If his merchandising is dwindling, a heel turn could lead to the subsequent face turn which provides an all new boost to popularity
I completely agree. Cena's heel turn is inevitable and will likely be the biggest angle in years in WWE. It's just a matter of when it'll happen. I can't see it within a year from now. Maybe two years, but, as mentioned multiple times, it relies heavily on another face stepping up.
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They've canned DX, they've turned Austin heel, and they've dropped the deadman gimmick on the Undertaker.
Ultimately doing those things only served to make more money on the triumphant returns. In all cases, they were declining trends and it was smart to take a break and conserve the gimmick for a later date.
I can see the same happening with cash cow Cena, just as long as someone else steps up and starts carrying the brand as a face. Nobody's really doing that right now, outside of maybe Orton but for all his popularity I can't see him filling that role unless they change the whole company around him.
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here. This isn't something I'd want to do, but assuming they were sure they could meet the standards of 25/26, would Michaels coming out of retirement and BEATING Taker at Mania 28 for his final Mania match work?

It'd be similar to the Rock/Austin Mania saga. Michaels gets the last laugh.

This would be for this ONE angle, and Michaels and Taker would never touch until Mania. Just trying to think HOW they could set this up, possibly as a triple threat with Hunter.

Take out the "he shouldn't come out of retirement" bias for a second and think about it.
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