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Old 06-10-2012, 06:51 PM   #1
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How do you solve this "Roster Depth" problem?
Reports say that WWE are concerned (or at least should be) with the lack of roster depth. With Orton, Mysterio and Jericho suspended, Del Rio, Henry and Barrett on the injured list, HHH, Taker, Rock and Brock nowhere to be seen, WWE are severly lacking stars at the top of the card.

With that in mind, Vince comes to YOU for the solution.

What do you do?
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:52 PM   #2
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Make Ryback the champ
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #3
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Make Ryback the champ
I actually probably could have said this too...

Ryback is the next big thing. Just throwing him in the main event scene soon and allowing him to be unstoppable as midcard to upper midcard guys try and fail to be the first to take him down would be awesome.

That's one reason I like the idea of a roster split. You can have one show lean more towards guys getting over via awesome wrestling and one show based more on characters with some great matches thrown in too. You can make everyone happy with one company. The writers are too scatter-brained though.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:58 PM   #4
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:58 PM   #5
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Just gotta throw shit against the wall and see what sticks. Give Dolph, Ryback, Cody, Kofi, and Sin Cara a chance. See what works. Sometimes you get CM Punk, sometimes you get Billy Gunn. Then move in hard working lower card guys to replace their current spot (Hawkins, Kidd, Sandow, Cesaro, McIntyre).
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:59 PM   #6
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:53 PM   #7
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Push Sandow to the moon.

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Fixed oh and you're welcome but seriously though since nXt is supposedly in a transtiion period right now anyway with a crop of new talent coming in why not call up the bulk of the current roster temporarily and use them and see how they pan out before they go and future endeavor them?
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:14 PM   #8
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I take some guys who are up there near main event level that I trust and am a big fan of and make them look like they're on par with Cena, Punk, Sheamus, etc. And while doing that, I stop having the guys like Punk that I've already got at that level lose on TV constantly so it actually seems like scoring a win over them would be a monumental achievement.

Also, I don't stress so much about Del Rio and Barrett because neither of them should be considered main eventers yet. If that's your gauge of what a main eventer needs to be, you're doing it wrong.

I said in another thread, there's too much parity in wrestling. The top guys lose a lot. Punk just lost 3 times in one month yet he's the WWE champion. When stuff like that is happening, it jumbles everyone together. There's no concept of card placement when it comes to ability in matches. The way you build a star is by having him play a role to perfection. CM Punk is the "Best in the World" because of his real life ability to put on great matches. If he loses constantly, then within the world of wrestling, that makes him quite average. There needs to be more focus on this.

I'd start now with Dolph Ziggler. His matches with Sheamus did WONDERS for this idea. Start now and book him as this generation's Ric Flair. The heel who people just despise because despite his cheating ways, he's actually really good too. Give him a few months where he finally "gets it", drops Vickie and starts winning matches against the mid-card guys to the point where it's logical that he can step up to the next level. Meanwhile, you've got Sheamus taking on all comers and retaining the title. Doesn't lose a match. Then finally, it sets up Ziggler vs Sheamus for the title in an epic 30 or so minute match where Ziggler pulls off the shocking upset with a subtle little pull of the tights when he realizes that as good as he is, he may not be able to finish the job cleanly.

Ideally Sheamus' character would be tweaked enough at this point to where he's not getting stale like before and you can set up a feud that could potentially get both men over to a new level. You can even give Sheamus the title back at the end and both men are at a level where everyone should be saying "Man, I gotta get a shot at beating Dolph Ziggler. That could make my career." At the same time, it raises the World Title up and anyone who gets involved in that picture, provided they've already been booked in a somewhat deserving fashion, gets an automatic boost.

... I went on a little rant there. But yeah...
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #10
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:23 PM   #11
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:13 PM   #12
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:24 PM   #13
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Cody Rhodes is my pick for next main event star. Hes great on promos and steals shows with his matches. Id put him in against Sheamus and add in some super heel stuff for him to go over. Maybe beat up Dusty,smack around Striker or Lawler. I would also let Kane get another title run on Smackdown as a face. Since we have heel big show and Bryan for him to work with there's opponents that can put together a good feud. Id put AJ with him as his crazy chick too. That would beef up the womens division.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:43 PM   #14
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Cody needs to pack some pounds on before I'd want him in the main event.

I don't mind him as a midcarder. He just doesn't have that main event feel to him though outside his last name.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:46 PM   #15
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Give the midcarders something to do. Put them in actual angles, see what clicks and what doesnt then push the guys who are getting over with the live crowds. Even the guys who are "almost there" like Cody and Ziggler just seem to be stuck in a loop of challenging for midcard titles instead of moving up. Give them some wins, have Cody actually go over an Orton or Big Show.
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Give the midcarders something to do. Put them in actual angles, see what clicks and what doesnt then push the guys who are getting over with the live crowds. Even the guys who are "almost there" like Cody and Ziggler just seem to be stuck in a loop of challenging for midcard titles instead of moving up. Give them some wins, have Cody actually go over an Orton or Big Show.
This also. Feuds outside of the main event have been almost non-existent on Raw especially for a long time. They don't even try. Ridiculous.
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Give the midcarders something to do. Put them in actual angles, see what clicks and what doesnt then push the guys who are getting over with the live crowds. Even the guys who are "almost there" like Cody and Ziggler just seem to be stuck in a loop of challenging for midcard titles instead of moving up. Give them some wins, have Cody actually go over an Orton or Big Show.
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If the writers are directly responsible for all the primary storylines carried out, then fucking right they need to go! If the higher ups, including the owner, are more directly responsible, then their interference shows they don't give the writers the freedom to utilitze proper storytelling because the elites are selfish or they are not confident with the writers..
These ideas are good starts.

One thing would be bring back a tag team division, I mean you have 4 (soon to be 5) hours of tv time a week, and it's almost always singles matches or tag team matches with random pairings. I also think the brand split needs to come to an end, or at least there only needs to be ONE main event/world title, and scale back on the # of house shows you do, so as to not over work the crew/roster.

By having two world titles and essentially two main event scenes on the two shows, it really hurts the establishment and credibility of the true main event level guys. In the last two years, we've had Orton, Cena, Sheamus, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Jericho, Miz, Alberto Del Rio, Kane, Edge, Christian, Big Show, Ziggler, Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan all challenge for or hold either the WWE or WHC. That's a HUGE main event scene.

To me, there should only be at most 5-6 main event level guys (split pretty evenly between heels and faces) that you can swap in and out of various feuds for the world title, #1 contender, blood (busy) feuds, or to bring up a new main eventer from the lower card, etc., with no more than 3-4 going for the world title at one time. This also allows for former main event level part-timers like HHH, Rock, Jericho, Taker to come back and have credible main event level feuds for short periods.

Not only that, but having essentially two world/main event titles, devalues and discredits the main event level feuds, etc. For example, if CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and John Cena are your top few guys in the company, why would I care who wins the WWE title match, they can just go challenge for the other world title. It's just a lazy and easy way to write someone in or out of the main event storyline on one show and keep them in the "main event".

Another big part of this includes, only keeping the best of the best in the main event scene. Guys should really have to prove themselves all around, on the mic, with the crowd, in the ring, and behind the curtain (no drugs, etc.) to get to that main event level. They would have to do this by going up the ranks, proving themselves and getting over through the lower and mid card titles and feuds, US, IC, Cruiserweight, etc. It should be a big deal (backstage and with the fans/crowds) when guys finally break through to the main event level and get a world title shot. This also assumes that you're going to always have some solid guys that will always be lower and mid card or tag team level guys. This also depends a lot upon the booking and writing improving and being pretty damn consistent throughout the year or even years.
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Not only that, but having essentially two world/main event titles, devalues and discredits the main event level feuds, etc. For example, if CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and John Cena are your top few guys in the company, why would I care who wins the WWE title match, they can just go challenge for the other world title. It's just a lazy and easy way to write someone in or out of the main event storyline on one show and keep them in the "main event".
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See, this I think is the biggest of their problems. The two main event card is moronic if the superstars are freely going back and forth between shows. Having one title not only shows a greater importance of the champ, but the contender/s. And here's something I haven't seen on a PPV in a longtime- a match for the #1 contender's spot that excludes MITB and Royal Rumble. With only half the value of the title, nobody could give a good goddam about a match like that. MITB and Royal Rumble are specialties restricted to the PPV named after them, but nobody gives a rat's ass about a straight one on one at a PPV anymore, given the current status.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:22 AM   #19
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Give the midcarders something to do. Put them in actual angles, see what clicks and what doesnt then push the guys who are getting over with the live crowds. Even the guys who are "almost there" like Cody and Ziggler just seem to be stuck in a loop of challenging for midcard titles instead of moving up. Give them some wins, have Cody actually go over an Orton or Big Show.
Exactly this. People should not only care about your John Cena's and Sheamus's, but also your Michael McGillicutty's and Tyson Kidd's. A top-to-bottom booking approach will make your entire shows worth watching, and get people invested long-term. It won't matter if Zack Ryder never becomes a WWE Champion if people care enough about him becoming the US Champion, for example.

Great stories like the one being told between CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Kane and AJ will help, too. Don't rush it. The outcome of the Triple Threat Match will no doubt piss two people off, so that should actually lead somewhere. Don't just drop the losers' issues with the winner.

Dolph Ziggler has got an amazing opportunity right now, and it appears that the fans are starting to get behind him. I'm not sure if Ziggler should become the World Heavyweight Champion at No Way Out, but the WWE should definitely see this as more than "filler" for Ziggler. He could perhaps tell Vickie and Jack Swagger to stay out of his business, only for Vickie and Swagger to become involved -- either leading to Ziggler becoming World Champion that way, or in Ziggler getting distracted and losing the match. I actually think it would be far more compelling for Ziggler to walk out of No Way Out champion, but whatever.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:52 PM   #20
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fire all your writers and hire people who can actually book wrestling that will push the midcard talent (Ziggler, Rhodes, Barrett, etc.).....
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fire all your writers and hire people who can actually book wrestling that will push the midcard talent (Ziggler, Rhodes, Barrett, etc.).....
If the writers are directly responsible for all the primary storylines carried out, then fucking right they need to go! If the higher ups, including the owner, are more directly responsible, then their interference shows they don't give the writers the freedom to utilitze proper storytelling because the elites are selfish or they are not confident with the writers. One thing is for sure, upper management and writing management is either not getting along or the entire management staff is using the shows for propaganda purposes only.
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Further develop distinctions between title division. You need a huge entertaining angle for each belt. Their needs to be a star of each division, who isn't necessarily the champion. I'd have hunico become u.s. champion play up the immigration stuff maybe, have sin cara ( the star) go to take him on but lose. Have a returning Bourne have a good 3 ppv. Rivalry with him. Hunico still champion takes on sin cara once again but still wins. He has a rivalry with Tyson Kidd and is finally defeated. Sin cara then takes on hunico in non title feud whilst Tyson Kidd and Bourne feud. Tyson still champion takes on Dean Ambrose and is defeated. Sin cara finally beats hunico, takes on Tyson Kidd and Evan Bourne in a number one contenders series. While Dean Ambrose takes on hunico and finally Seth Rollins, who almost beats him and becomes the new face of the division.



You need to have all your people in rotating angles, not the same few in all of them. It makes your roster seem more interesting as you never know what the ppv card will be. Main eventers should be consistent but the other titles should be used to showcase the roster and build a few big names.
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I'd have hunico become u.s. champion play up the immigration stuff maybe, have sin cara ( the star) go to take him on but lose. Have a returning Bourne have a good 3 ppv. Rivalry with him. Hunico still champion takes on sin cara once again but still wins. He has a rivalry with Tyson Kidd and is finally defeated. Sin cara then takes on hunico in non title feud whilst Tyson Kidd and Bourne feud. Tyson still champion takes on Dean Ambrose and is defeated. Sin cara finally beats hunico, takes on Tyson Kidd and Evan Bourne in a number one contenders series. While Dean Ambrose takes on hunico and finally Seth Rollins, who almost beats him and becomes the new face of the division.
Hey guys, take the Chicano and put him in an immigration angle. That's never been done before.
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Stop being such a conservative "wrestling" company and push the envelope. No one is interested in the crap that the WWE produces now. The writing sucks, the characters suck, and the product overall sucks.
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He also made professional wrestling. Only fair I guess
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With the lack of depth in the current WWE roster, there should be some sort of talent exchange program. It would benefit both the companies. And I am not even kidding.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:21 AM   #31
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Bring back more retired wrestlers who are old and way past their primes.
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WWE could probably use the following wrestlers



(As a full blown mid carder)

(Feud with Codswell)

(For spearing random people)

(More flavor to the non-existing Lightweight division)

(Commentator/Heel Manager)

(IC contender level)

(Random feud with Tyson and Bryan)

(Women's)

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(Eye Candy)

(Women's)

(As a talent enhancer)

(US/IC level)

(More flavor to the non-existing Lightweight division)

(See Helms and X-Pac)

(Comic relief)

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Forget Sin Cara, and turn Hunico face and make him your big Mexican star.
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Forget Sin Cara, and turn Hunico face and make him your big Mexican star.
Hunico is American. USA! USA! USA!
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So is Rey and Eddie G. They were close enough, though.
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So is Rey and Eddie G. They were close enough, though.
Rey Rey and Eddie Guerrero were actually big names in Mexico. Just like Christopher Jericho.
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Forget Sin Cara, and turn Hunico face and make him your big Mexican star.
I disagree with the WWE forgetting Sin Cara, but I absolutely think that the WWE should turn Hunico face and push him to the fucking moon. The dude might be 34, but he can obviously fucking go. Few guys in the WWE are as fluid and competent in the ring as he is. The man can fucking fly, he can work on the mat and he can talk. His offence looks crisp, but it also looks pretty hard-hitting at times. He's got the WWE style down, and he can be used as the top Hispanic star as Sin Cara learns the WWE style.

And, as you said -- what a relatable man! His story could be so easy to turn him into a plucky babyface. The dude worked in Mexico, where he invented an identity for himself which he had to discard when suits came and told him he didn't have the legal rights to it. He was screwed out of millions of dollars in his mind, and has been a victim because all he knows is wrestling -- not the business side of things. He came to the WWE, convinced the entire world that he was the famed masked marvel Sin Cara, and even did things like put Daniel Bryan in Bryan's own signature submission hold.

Turning Hunico face would be so easy. You have a heel on the SmackDown! roster who is a rich Mexican aristocrat who hates poor people. It writes itself: Hunico bumps into Del Rio backstage and calls him a "rata." Hunico takes offence to being called that, because he made a promise to himself years ago that no one would ever step over him again. Del Rio and Hunico have a match, and Del Rio wins when Camacho turns on Hunico.

Del Rio reveals that he has paid Camacho money to betray Hunico and align himself with Del Rio. Camacho seems conflicted about the whole thing -- on one hand, he owes so much of what he has learned and getting out of the life he was in to Hunico; but on the other, he has to look out for Camacho, right? So, while Camacho "sells out," he tells Hunico that he respects and loves him, but he had to do what he had to do because he doesn't want to be like Hunico and always looking up at the world. Del Rio's given him a chance to be on top of the mountain.

Hunico then says that he thought that Camacho was a better person than that, and that if Camacho had proper respect for him, then he'd have known that it was the dumbest idea in the world to piss him off. Hunico says that he has one more lesson to teach Camacho -- and he's going to do that by beating his ass. The two then have a mini-feud, where Hunico manages to overcome Ricardo Rodriguez interference and beats Camacho a couple of times en route to facing Del Rio again, where Hunico wins via disqualification when Camacho and Rodriguez attack Hunico during the match. Steel Cage blow-off, where Hunico manages to beat Del Rio, and everyone is happy.

At the end of the feud, you could even have Del Rio blame the loss on Camacho, and Camacho turn on Del Rio, becoming a babyface himself. He doesn't need to get back on-board with Hunico, but the two could bump into each other backstage and Hunico could say "It was good to see you finally be a man," or something along those lines.
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Seriously, what a nice sounding guy. Much more relate-able and likable than Sin Cara.
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