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Old 06-30-2004, 08:29 PM   #1
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Do you see Eugene being a full-time maineventer?
Right now, Eugene is one of the most over guys on the Raw roster, but does he have potential to be considered a full-time 'main eventer'?

Just by being involved in an angle with HHH, he is instantly getting A LOT of TV time. Put it this way, HHH is the unofficial champion of Raw, and everyone on the roster knows it because he is the 2nd most powerful person in wrestling, only behind Vince.

I think the Raw announcers have done a tremendous job pushing Eugene as a serious threat. JR mentioned he "out wrestled" HHH, and even the formidable Kane. His win streak has been noted on several occasions, and his talent is not going unnoticed.

However, even while being hugely over, and having great talent, will Eugene ever be considered a 'main eventer? Or will the novelty of his gimmick run its course into mid card obscurity?

I used to think Mick Foley would never be worlds champion, much less considered a main eventer. I was proven wrong, and now I am thinking about Eugene

Right now, I don't see him as possibly being considered main event, but I hope I'm wrong. He was the featured main event on Raw twice, and next week the show will revolve around him being GM. The push of Eugene hasn't dwindled since its inception, but I'm curious if this push will lead to him possibly being world's champion?

And will Nick Dinsmore want to continue playing the gimmick?
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:33 PM   #2
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This is just one of those WWE fads where they push a gimmick until it's dead. They did it with DX, Rikishi, the NOD, Too Cool... They're gonna keep with it for a couple months until it stops giving them ratings then we'll prolly see a Eugene heel turn where he admits that he's not really suffering from mental retardation. After that, he'll be buried forever on Heat...
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:53 PM   #3
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This is just one of those WWE fads where they push a gimmick until it's dead. They did it with DX, Rikishi, the NOD, Too Cool... They're gonna keep with it for a couple months until it stops giving them ratings then we'll prolly see a Eugene heel turn where he admits that he's not really suffering from mental retardation. After that, he'll be buried forever on Heat...
DX was not a fad, and I disagree that Eugene's character will shift to what you mentioned.
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:35 PM   #4
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My friend brought up an interesting point about a month ago. People with Eugene's 'condition' are behind on many things, but excel in one certain area. Eugene excels at wrestling.

I knew a kid a long time ago who had this condition. He had slurred speech and was bad at school, except for math. If you gave him any amount of numbers, he could multiply them and give you the total. Now for Eugene, he could be seen as a serious threat in the main event if he's pushed like this.

He is very good in the ring as well. Dinsmore is also really good on the mic with this gimmick. Hopefully he becomes a main eventer so we can see more of him.
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:51 PM   #5
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My friend brought up an interesting point about a month ago. People with Eugene's 'condition' are behind on many things, but excel in one certain area. Eugene excels at wrestling.

I knew a kid a long time ago who had this condition. He had slurred speech and was bad at school, except for math. If you gave him any amount of numbers, he could multiply them and give you the total. Now for Eugene, he could be seen as a serious threat in the main event if he's pushed like this.

He is very good in the ring as well. Dinsmore is also really good on the mic with this gimmick. Hopefully he becomes a main eventer so we can see more of him.
BUT, will Nick Dinsmore WANT to continue playing a mentally-challenged wrestler? It is no knock on the gimmick, but how long before he gets frustrated pretending to have a 'condition'?
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:43 PM   #6
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:00 PM   #7
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Also, pertaining to deadyheaven's post-

No shit the WWE is going to push something until its dead. The WWE just needs the foresight to acknowledge when a gimmick isn't getting over, and sadly that foresight is something the WWE lacks.

Think about the failed gimmicks WWE has heavely pushed recenty. Kenzo will likely be a bust, Ultimo Dragon=bust (mostly because of Vince), Nathan Jones=bust(own fault), Sean O'Haire=bust(writers fault), and many others.

WWE should see whats sticks and run with the idea. Eugene stuck and the WWE is running with that idea til it will likely become dead. However, Eugene's character has depth, so it will be a long while before he falls to the mid-card.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:03 PM   #8
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I see it as more of a Hurricane thing. He did a lot with the Rock and look at him. Eugene will follow the same road.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:08 PM   #9
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I see it as more of a Hurricane thing. He did a lot with the Rock and look at him. Eugene will follow the same road.
Nope. Hurricane's gimmick was a childish cartoon gimmick that required the suspension of disbelief, and everyone KNEW would be nothing more than a farce, slapstick act.

HOWEVER, the way WWE has been pushing Eugene indicates they are taking a serious liking to his character. In all seriousness, do you see Hurricane ever main eventing another Raw? In the short time Eugene has been on Raw he has been in the featured main event twice; once with Kane, the other with HHH.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:09 PM   #10
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the "Eugene" character will run it's course... but if they make "Eugene" heel turn successful then maybe the sky is the limit because he has tremendous talent and charisma.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:20 PM   #11
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the "Eugene" character will run it's course... but if they make "Eugene" heel turn successful then maybe the sky is the limit because he has tremendous talent and charisma.
Hell turn? Eh, not now, but down the line yes. Eugene is just too over now to be thinking heel turn.

WWE should not to a heel turn consisting of Dinsmore revealing he was 'acting' all along. That is just stupid.

However, something along the lines of Eugene being an asshole of sorts that doesn't like the fans could work out. The question is, it is possible for the fans to want to boo Eugene?

Once the staleness of his character is revealed, Eugene should sell out and become a heel who hates the fans because all his life he was tormented, teased, and bullied by them. This will be brought about when someone manipulates Eugene into believing he is not liked. The seeds for that turn are already planted though(i.e HHH, Coach), so it shouldn't be too hard pull.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:26 PM   #12
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Hell turn? Eh, not now, but down the line yes. Eugene is just too over now to be thinking heel turn.

WWE should not to a heel turn consisting of Dinsmore revealing he was 'acting' all along. That is just stupid.

However, something along the lines of Eugene being an asshole of sorts that doesn't like the fans could work out. The question is, it is possible for the fans to want to boo Eugene?

Once the staleness of his character is revealed, Eugene should sell out and become a heel who hates the fans because all his life he was tormented, teased, and bullied by them. This will be brought about when someone manipulates Eugene into believing he is not liked. The seeds for that turn are already planted though(i.e HHH, Coach), so it shouldn't be too hard pull.
I have to disagree with you here, the best heel would be if he revealed he was pretending. This would get him booed immediatly, especially if done during a world title match. He would immediatly become the most over heel in WWE. the problem then would be how to continue it.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:30 PM   #13
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I have to disagree with you here, the best heel would be if he revealed he was pretending. This would get him booed immediatly, especially if done during a world title match. He would immediatly become the most over heel in WWE. the problem then would be how to continue it.
The whole pretend concept was done by Billy and Chuck, and if I am correct, the angle did nothing to push either wrestler. After that "wedding", which was heavely hyped by all media outlets, both Billy and Chuck fell to abysmal depths of the wrestling card. Needless to say, the same can happen for Eugene, not to mention there would be a stream of negative backlash.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:41 PM   #14
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The whole pretend concept was done by Billy and Chuck, and if I am correct, the angle did nothing to push either wrestler. After that "wedding", which was heavely hyped by all media outlets, both Billy and Chuck fell to abysmal depths of the wrestling card. Needless to say, the same can happen for Eugene, not to mention there would be a stream of negative backlash.
No, Dangerously is right jindrak. I said the same thing in the Q&A forum abuout 2 months ago. Eugene's whole gimmick is that people feel sorry for him and WANT to see him suceed because he is a "special" person. They see Eugene as someone who can't do anything wrong because he doesn't have a "bad bone" in his body. He has the heart of a child and just wants to have fun.

Now, what if there was a match between let's say Eugene and another top babyface at Wrestlemania. By this time, Eugene has been feuding with his uncle Bischoff. And just as I'm writing this a cool story line just popped into my head. I'm going to go make another thread about this. Hold on a sec.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:42 PM   #15
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The Eugene character as its portrayed right now has a very short life span. I read reports from the RAW tapings last night that people were ALREADY turning on him. Thats scary, I figured they'd get a longer run out of him as a babyface, but I also predicted this would happen sooner or later. His gimmick is such that people are laughing AT him, not with him. The reason why guys like Hogan, Austin, Rocky and even Foley got over huge as babyfaces were that people to some extent wanted to be like them. People wanted to be a super hero like Hogan, they wanted to smack around their boss and talk trash like Austin, they wanted to look and sound as cool as The Rock and they wanted to be as fearless as Foley. Nobody wants to be like Eugene, they like to laugh at him, but nobody would go to school and try to act cool by imitating Eugene.

Eventually the fans will turn on him. Now I'm no fortune teller, I dont know exactly when it will happen, but it will happen. The challenge at that point will be to do an effective heel turn that will save Nick Dinsmore's career. Hopefully he'll be able to move on from the gimmick and not become another Hacksaw Duggan or a Bushwacker.

But to answer the question, no as a full time main eventer challenging for the World Title the Eugene character will never draw huge buys or do huge ratings on a consistant basis. Why? Plain and simple, its comedy and as Ive said a million times before comedy doesn't draw on top. Never has, never will.
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I still cannot see Eugene makin it to a full time main eventer anytime
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Don't worry Jindrak, he'll get buried... at least if he doesn't change his gimmick.

Btw, I personally find him one of the most annoying characters in WWE.
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Don't worry Jindrak, he'll get buried... at least if he doesn't change his gimmick.

Btw, I personally find him one of the most annoying characters in WWE.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:29 PM   #19
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You guys are crazy if you think Eugene will be buried in the future. I think Dishmore has a great career ahead of him and WILL be main eventing in the future. Dishmore is a home grown talent and is a very good wrestler. Vince loves his home grown talent and he will be pushed into the main event scene. I'm hearing it will b Benoit/HHH/Eugene for the Title at Summerslam.

As for the longevity of the Eugene character. This character has potential to go on for a while. And I think we all need to apoligize for short changing the Eugene character when we first heard about it. I remmeber most of us saying this character will be dead withing a month or two. I don't think so. I should go bring back that thread just to see how wrong we were. The Eugene character will be over with the fans for a while IMO. And what characters make the best heels? Answer: Characters that are hugely over as babyfaces with the fans. Just look at Rock before he went Corportate, HHH before he went Corporate. Keep Eugene babyface for a while and then turn him heel when he has been established and has a lot of credibility with him. Cena's another guy that I think will be a great heel when he turns again cause he's so over.

And Dishmore WILL be able to shed the Eugene character and turn a new direction. I think he is capapble of doing that so he's not seen as "Eugene" for the rest of his career.
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I see Dinsmore Main Eventing as Eugene in no time, He seems to enjoy playing the character, He's very good at playing the character. But even so underneath the character Nick Dinsmore is a fantastic worker, has great ring psychology and would go far in the WWE in any gimmick he was given.

I'm sure somewhere down the line there will be a Eugene heel turn, Hopefully It will happen suddenly with no indications.

Say he stays on good terms with Benoit for a while, Benoit feeling sorry for him, always making the save kinda thing. It's HHH vs Benoit at a PPV (Not summerlsam this would be to early) Benoit seems to be in trouble Eugene comes running out to help Benoit. Then wham all of a sudden his stupid grin disappears and Dinsmore hits his German Suplex finisher that he used in OVW. Shakes HHH's hand and disappears back up the ramp.

This would get him more heel heat than if HHH was to lay down Benoit, Cena, Jericho, RVD and Rey Mysterio and piss in all of their mouths.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:50 PM   #21
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Nick Dinsmore is a hell of a wrestler with not only great technical talent, but mic talent as well. He was pretty well known in OVW for his talents and i'm pretty sure this gimmick is just going to allow him to be set up for a great career.
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:20 PM   #22
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If they wanted to change Eugene's charcter without turning him heel, they could get him into a really heated storyline with Bischoff... Eventually, it's Eugene vs. A Main Eventer, and Bischoff comes out... He tells the opponant to put a real beating on Eugene (Like he did w/ Trips), and then Eugene pops up, and whips the main eventer's ass and wins the match... After which, he beats the holy hell out of Bischoff, and the next night on Raw have him say he was getting back for the "abuse" that Bischoff gave him as a child/his sister as a child or something...

To explain the fact that Bischoff KNEW Eugene was "special", have him either be someone else defending the "real" Eugene, or have it that Bischoff was never in contact with his sister since before Eugene was born, and that his sister made up the story of Eugene being "special" and signed him to "mend ways" with his sister...


That is the dumbest thing I've ever written, but it's basicly in WWE logic, so it's all good...
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