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Old 04-12-2007, 12:03 PM   #1
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CM Punk *Spoilers if you haven't watched ECW*
So CM Punk has aligned himself with the New Breed and turned heel.

1) Will this launch his alleged "big push"?
2) As popular as he's been, is he really going to get strong enough heel heat?
3) Is anybody really going to give a shit about the collective turd that is ECW and CM Punks involvement in that collective turd?

Optional Extra Question - So who is going to be the star/leader/whatever of the New Breed? Punk or Burke?

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Old 04-12-2007, 12:21 PM   #2
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First of all, I'd like to say that I think ECW has been entirely watchable for quite some time now. Secondly, I think turning Punk heel was a pretty good move...however, they really don't have any faces in ECW that aren't Originals or Bobby Lashley (unless I'm overlooking somebody...is Hardcore Holly a face?). Thirdly, the best way that this can turn out is if The New Breed becomes a power struggle between Elijah Burke and CM Punk, culminating in what would be a great feud, hopefully with The Silver Tongued Pugilist coming out the victor.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:26 PM   #3
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I'm kinda hoping the initial idea is Punk and Burke kinda share the spotlight, but gradually the rest of the NB starts to align themselves more with Punk. Say, Punk starts emerging as this 'superstar' and moves into the title picture while Burke kinda gets pushed aside eventually culminating with Punk kicking Burke out cause they don't need him anymore, or something along those lines. Maybe a Burke face turn and a fued between Burke & Punk? I don't know, just throwing crap out there.

And yeh, ECW has been alot better the past two weeks, but i don't have enough faith in the product to believe it will last.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:29 PM   #4
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:30 PM   #6
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I don't really want to see Burke as a face, either, but I'm pretty partial to heels. He might be able to pull him off, but his character right now is mint. I am interested to see what's going to be different about Chick Magnet Punk, though.
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I don't know that a heel-heel fued would work really well with them two though. And with Punk's character, yeh I don't know what they're going to change exactly to get him enough heel heat to make a sustained run. And a heel-heel fued with Burke would probably just make Punk the face.
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Oh, I'm not saying they should both be heels when they feud, but I mean, it's plausible. Look at Orton/Edge right now.
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So CM Punk has aligned himself with the New Breed and turned heel.

1) Will this launch his alleged "big push"?
2) As popular as he's been, is he really going to get strong enough heel heat?
3) Is anybody really going to give a shit about the collective turd that is ECW and CM Punks involvement in that collective turd?

Optional Extra Question - So who is going to be the star/leader/whatever of the New Breed? Punk or Burke?
Punktards have for years told me the reason I hate him is because he's so masterful at gaining heat (Which is primarily stupid because I hate his face role too), so if he's as Godly as the cocksuckers on this site claim, he should be able to get heel heat masterfully.

Of course, he was also going to main event Mania and unify the belts, followed by walking on water, raising Eddie from the dead, and healing the ailing Bret Hart. So he'll probably fall short here.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:39 PM   #10
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Punktards have for years told me the reason I hate him is because he's so masterful at gaining heat (Which is primarily stupid because I hate his face role too), so if he's as Godly as the cocksuckers on this site claim, he should be able to get heel heat masterfully.

Of course, he was also going to main event Mania and unify the belts, followed by walking on water, raising Eddie from the dead, and healing the ailing Bret Hart. So he'll probably fall short here.
While I certainly don't possess a disdain for him like that, I will admit that he is overhyped and entirely too much is expected of him this soon. Though in the midst of the shitfest that is typical of WWE programming as of late, I say why the hell not take a chance on somebody unproven. Is it really going to get worse?

Anyway, I don't see him main eventing outside of ECW anytime soon and he honestly shouldn't be.
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:08 PM   #11
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While I certainly don't possess a disdain for him like that, I will admit that he is overhyped and entirely too much is expected of him this soon. Though in the midst of the shitfest that is typical of WWE programming as of late, I say why the hell not take a chance on somebody unproven. Is it really going to get worse?

Anyway, I don't see him main eventing outside of ECW anytime soon and he honestly shouldn't be.
I'm mostly sick of people jumping on the bandwagon of every new guy as some sort of savior. It's not that I'm not a fan of Carlito or Kennedy or Burchill, but people are morons and take this shit wayyyy too far.

Though I do hate Punk. Fucking fake straightedge boring minotherfuckers who look like coked out rats...Probablywouldn't hate him so much if he wasn't so frequently fellated on here, but I would still hate him.
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I'm mostly sick of people jumping on the bandwagon of every new guy as some sort of savior. It's not that I'm not a fan of Carlito or Kennedy or Burchill, but people are morons and take this shit wayyyy too far.

Though I do hate Punk. Fucking fake straightedge boring minotherfuckers who look like coked out rats...Probablywouldn't hate him so much if he wasn't so frequently fellated on here, but I would still hate him.
I really don't care for him either, but I'll go as far as saying that I've never seen anything of him in ROH, other than ring-work.

On another note, I'm actually really hoping that Punk turns on them shortly and goes back to being a face for the simple fact that I don't want Burke to be squashed in favor of him.

One possibility is that Lashley finally gets pulled into this New Breed/Originals mess and there becomes room for two big heels, but we'll see. Personally, I'd rather see Punk continue as a face and fued with Burke.
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Punktards have for years told me the reason I hate him is because he's so masterful at gaining heat (Which is primarily stupid because I hate his face role too), so if he's as Godly as the cocksuckers on this site claim, he should be able to get heel heat masterfully.

Of course, he was also going to main event Mania and unify the belts, followed by walking on water, raising Eddie from the dead, and healing the ailing Bret Hart. So he'll probably fall short here.
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Punktards have for years told me the reason I hate him is because he's so masterful at gaining heat (Which is primarily stupid because I hate his face role too), so if he's as Godly as the cocksuckers on this site claim, he should be able to get heel heat masterfully.

Of course, he was also going to main event Mania and unify the belts, followed by walking on water, raising Eddie from the dead, and healing the ailing Bret Hart. So he'll probably fall short here.
Funny how you always pop in all the CM Punk related threads and talk nonsense.

Obsessed much?
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Punktards have for years told me the reason I hate him is because he's so masterful at gaining heat (Which is primarily stupid because I hate his face role too), so if he's as Godly as the cocksuckers on this site claim, he should be able to get heel heat masterfully.

Of course, he was also going to main event Mania and unify the belts, followed by walking on water, raising Eddie from the dead, and healing the ailing Bret Hart. So he'll probably fall short here.


Hey, now! I'm a cocksucker, and I've yet to be impressed by Punk.
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^ True.

But Orton gets a solid mixed reaction from the crowd. I think the same would happen with Punk. Fans would just start siding with him and he could play the heel all he wants, and still get a pop for it.
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I wish this thread had a CM Punk v. Elijah Burke poll.
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I dont understand the Carlito hype at all. He's a solid mid-carder and nothing more. I honestly don't see a shred of world title/main event potential in him. I don't get it.
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I dont understand the Carlito hype at all. He's a solid mid-carder and nothing more. I honestly don't see a shred of world title/main event potential in him. I don't get it.
I will admit that the reason I want to see Carlito with the title may have everything to do with wanting to see Cena without it.
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I will admit that the reason I want to see Carlito with the title may have everything to do with wanting to see Cena without it.
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His heel turn sucked, it was really anti-climatic they could've added SOME drama to it.

Booking 101 says when an angle like this happens and the person who is making the choice confronts one side and stands there shaking their fists for five minutes, then he's going to "Swerve" and hug them a minute later.
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Side question, in WCW was the New Blood face or heel?
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Personally I feel that his heel turn is the doing of one HHH.

Turn him heel then have him depushed cos he can't draw heel heat!!
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They were heels and that is the exact reason the angle fucking sucked and tanked.
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I think the people who dislike Punk because he gets a lot of credit are being a bit ridiculous. No one thinks the guy is a God. He's just a great wrestler with great mic skills and a mainstream appeal. Like it or not, the lifestyle Punk lives could garner him a pretty strong mainstream following. Just saying. His ring skills are not the greatest of all-time (they're good, though), and his promo skills are up there with the best, but he's too young to have too many memory moments, but the reason I think he could be money for the WWE is because he's one of the few characters who is actually relevent today.

Anyway, I think Punk's turn wasn't executed too badly, but it wasn't executed as brilliantly as possible. Punk's face during this was perfect. He just reeked of cockiness, and he really seems to come alive as a heel. The fans were like " ", which is actually a good sign, I think. The slate has been wiped clean, and they're ready to boo Punk. It also will give them a taste for the unpredictable. I think Punk turning heel is the most shocking thing the WWE has done in a long time.

I think Elijah Burke should remain the official leader, but have Punk become the star player. Burke leads them into battle, cuts the official promos announcing where they're going to go, and what they're going to do; Punk becomes their main wrestler, the one closest to becoming ECW World Champion.

Elijah Burke makes a great face (although you wouldn't know it by how great his heel character in ECW is), so I agree with those who suggest Punk slowly takes over Burke's role, which leads to Elijah turning face and feuding with the stable he used to lead, specifically Punk.

One thought occured to me as I was watching Punk turn heel, though: What if the WWE is just turning him heel so they can say "Well, people don't like him anymore," to justify him getting jobbed out? Hopefully they realise what a hot potato they have on their hands, and that turning Punk heel is for the good of the company, not to sabotage it.

Matt Hardy has been teasing a heel turn in recent weeks, so I wonder if there may be some intent by the WWE to eventually make Matt Hardy and CM Punk irrelevent to the WWE before phasing them out.
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I think the people who dislike Punk because he gets a lot of credit are being a bit ridiculous. No one thinks the guy is a God. He's just a great wrestler with great mic skills and a mainstream appeal. Like it or not, the lifestyle Punk lives could garner him a pretty strong mainstream following. Just saying. His ring skills are not the greatest of all-time (they're good, though), and his promo skills are up there with the best, but he's too young to have too many memory moments, but the reason I think he could be money for the WWE is because he's one of the few characters who is actually relevent today.

Anyway, I think Punk's turn wasn't executed too badly, but it wasn't executed as brilliantly as possible. Punk's face during this was perfect. He just reeked of cockiness, and he really seems to come alive as a heel. The fans were like " ", which is actually a good sign, I think. The slate has been wiped clean, and they're ready to boo Punk. It also will give them a taste for the unpredictable. I think Punk turning heel is the most shocking thing the WWE has done in a long time.
I don't hate him because people around here think he's the Second Coming, I hate him because he's so medicore. I hate him more because of the head-giving. I've seen his RoH promos and stuff and tbh, they aren't anything special. Jeez, I think Chris Masters could get reaction down there. Add to that, the way OTT reporting round these ways of his 'huge' pops, his amazing in-ring matches and top promos - when none of these things have really taken place makes me chuckle. Fair enough, its ECW, but when he's appeared on Raw he's brought nothing to the table at all.

Punk's 'gimmick' (I dont really give a shit if its his real life attitude or not) is so middle of the road medicore it's ridiculous. He really is nothing special. He does that wrist rolling thing which was quite cool. But he reminds me of X-Pac sometimes when he comes out with his jumping around and no reaction.

The turn was atrocious. If he had been a tweener, it would have made sense, but to just jump in the ring and jump around with the winners of the match almost reminded me of when family members jump in when someones won a title. That's not his fault obviously, just addressing the point.

Punk doesn't step it up a gear when he needs to. He's pissed a lot of people backstage (if you believe the reports) and just gives me the impression that he's an arrogant prick. This 'better than you' shit seems to have gone to his brain.

I want him to prove me wrong, maybe as a heel he may do.
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I don't hate him because people around here think he's the Second Coming, I hate him because he's so medicore. I hate him more because of the head-giving. I've seen his RoH promos and stuff and tbh, they aren't anything special. Jeez, I think Chris Masters could get reaction down there. Add to that, the way OTT reporting round these ways of his 'huge' pops, his amazing in-ring matches and top promos - when none of these things have really taken place makes me chuckle. Fair enough, its ECW, but when he's appeared on Raw he's brought nothing to the table at all.

Punk's 'gimmick' (I dont really give a shit if its his real life attitude or not) is so middle of the road medicore it's ridiculous. He really is nothing special. He does that wrist rolling thing which was quite cool. But he reminds me of X-Pac sometimes when he comes out with his jumping around and no reaction.

The turn was atrocious. If he had been a tweener, it would have made sense, but to just jump in the ring and jump around with the winners of the match almost reminded me of when family members jump in when someones won a title. That's not his fault obviously, just addressing the point.

Punk doesn't step it up a gear when he needs to. He's pissed a lot of people backstage (if you believe the reports) and just gives me the impression that he's an arrogant prick. This 'better than you' shit seems to have gone to his brain.

I want him to prove me wrong, maybe as a heel he may do.
He hasn't looked great on RAW, true. But who does? Seriously, the last time I was entertained by someone on RAW was...fuck, I can't remember. Of course that's just me, and you might like RAW and felt Punk still didn't deliver, but yeah.

Punk once out-popped DX. That's a fact. Sure, it was once, but for an act so "mediocre", that's pretty fucking impressive. He also got accepted into ECW, and became one of its hottest acts just by theory alone.

His Ring of Honor stuff is pretty fucking good if you ask me. Not "my God, he's the best I've ever seen," good, but compelling enough to watch and admit the guy is above average in the ring. He's also nice and confident when cutting promos. He can carry a story well, too. A lot of guys get a program, and they suck the potential right out of it. Punk never seems to do that.

Who really is fantastic in the WWE? People were talking about how bland MVP was until he proved he can hang with Benoit. If Punk were allowed to channel his ROH self, I'm sure he'd back-up what a lot of people are saying.

The guy obviously did something to get people behind him. You might not see it now, and you might not ever see it; you really don't have to believe it even if you do. A lot of people see "it" in Punk, though. No, not the next Austin or Rock "it", but a capable all-round performer with credibility and upwards momentum.

In such a barren WWE landscape, CM Punk is a rare gem. People actually give a shit about him.
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I don't hate him because people around here think he's the Second Coming, I hate him because he's so medicore. I hate him more because of the head-giving. I've seen his RoH promos and stuff and tbh, they aren't anything special. Jeez, I think Chris Masters could get reaction down there. Add to that, the way OTT reporting round these ways of his 'huge' pops, his amazing in-ring matches and top promos - when none of these things have really taken place makes me chuckle. Fair enough, its ECW, but when he's appeared on Raw he's brought nothing to the table at all.


But seriously, you have to take Alienoid with a grain of salt. He's so far up the collective IWC's ass he could be in a JR surgery vignette. That's just the way he is.

And I totally agree. Despite what he claims, Punk was hyped as the second coming...And he's mediocre. The IWC tries to blow him by pretending his pops are bigger, his reactions are stronger, like he's Steve austin or the Rock.

Honestly, I called it, the same way I called the collective blowing of Burchill. Maybe the IWC is scared to be wrong. Maybe they're just so collectively caught up in the hype they can't see reality. but it's "WHAT AN AWESOME ARMBAR" All over again. Where Punk puts on lackluster matches, gets lukewarm or pretty good responses, and then they fawn all over him like he just did something amazing, or they lie and say "biggest pop of the night."

Either way, it's bullshit, but it's not the primary cause for my hatred of Punk, either.

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What's fake about his straightedgehood? Not trying to argue, just asking.
He's supposed to be straightedge in real life. Which means no drinking, something that's been said more than once he doesn't stick to. He looks like a heavy drug abuser, something that's gotten worse since I first took notice of him a few years ago. So maybe he went legit straightedge yesterday, but it's hard to believe he's straightedge. Especially with the talk of him actually drinking.

Of course, Straightedge is just a retarded way to label yourself special for something nobody gives a shit about. "I don't do drugs!" Yay! You want a cookie? "Hey, I'm a retarded thrillseeker who risks his body and gets tons of tattoos, but my risky behaviour's cool, unlike those stupid fucks who do things like drink..." Yup. Okay. Uhuh.
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No one thinks the guy is a God.
Bullshit, I saw a church dedicated to his honor just the other day.










Oh wait, you mean CM stands for "Christian Ministries?" Well who would have thought.
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Bullshit, I saw a church dedicated to his honor just the other day.










Oh wait, you mean CM stands for "Christian Ministries?" Well who would have thought.


You just solidified why you're one of my favourite posters on here.
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Will be good to see. Bear in mind all we go off over here is internet chat about his early career as we don't get OVW / ROH over here, so I'll have to take the premise he can get heat.

But it just seems to me lately that there's no real "HEEL" now in the WWE. I mean that in the sense like, the crowd basically cheer for who are meant to be HEEL's. Take Orton. He always get a pop of sorts. lol. The only true heels are the ones who have no status (like say Stevie Richards raises his arms! lol).

Oh and of coruse, The McMahon. But then he doesn't count as he's on legend status.
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My (vague) recollection was that the New Breed were rising up against the old guys that were holding them down - making them face.
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