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Old 06-28-2007, 07:07 AM   #1
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"Paying homage..."
So, when Eddie died a few wrestlers decided to honor the legacy of him, by using a number of moves like the Frogsplash and the Three Amigos. The main wrestlers who did this were Chris Benoit and Chavo Guerrero.

With Chris now gone, do you think anyone [As Michael Cole would put it] would "pay homage" to Chris Benoit? Maybe by throwing out the triple Germans, or using a diving headbutt/Crippler Crossface.

I know that given different circumstances, im sure wrestlers would be honored to take it upon themselves to "honor" Benoit in this way. But since it was under inhumane-acts would it be frowned upon?

/edit. Ahem. Corrected the moveset.
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:16 AM   #2
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It would be highly unlikely. As much as I have really liked Benoit for the past 15 years I've watched wrestling. He killed his wife and child. WWE and fans should not condone anything he did by paying homage to his memory. They should perhaps dedicate a show to his wife and son.
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:01 AM   #3
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It would be highly unlikely. As much as I have really liked Benoit for the past 15 years I've watched wrestling. He killed his wife and child. WWE and fans should not condone anything he did by paying homage to his memory. They should perhaps dedicate a show to his wife and son.
BAH GAWD MULTIPLE GERMAN SUPLEXES CONDONE MURDER!
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:16 AM   #4
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ANGLE BUSTS OUT WITH MULTIPLE GERMANS! HE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE KILLED THOSE PEOPLE HIMSELF!!!

Nah seriously, I think the best reason why people will cut back on the obvious ones for a while (german suplexes, multiples, crossfaces, diving headbutts) is just to protect themselves from knee-jerk reactions like this.
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:29 AM   #5
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ANGLE BUSTS OUT WITH MULTIPLE GERMANS! HE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE KILLED THOSE PEOPLE HIMSELF!!!

Nah seriously, I think the best reason why people will cut back on the obvious ones for a while (german suplexes, multiples, crossfaces, diving headbutts) is just to protect themselves from knee-jerk reactions like this.
I think people are going to disassociate themselves from Benoit, period.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:59 AM   #6
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It would be highly unlikely. As much as I have really liked Benoit for the past 15 years I've watched wrestling. He killed his wife and child. WWE and fans should not condone anything he did by paying homage to his memory. They should perhaps dedicate a show to his wife and son.
Oh, for crying out loud. This is getting to be the real disgrace.

The guy is a fucking legend and should be in the damn Hall of Fame. The guys that knew him best have recently come out saying he had some kind of "dark mental problem" that he'd been supressing for God knows how long. Something triggered a snap in what sounds to be incredibly close to a schizophrenic outburst, and now he's supposed to be "burning in Hell". Well, fuck you guys.

Yes, people died in a horrible, hollywood-esque scenario that may never sit well with a normal conscience, but to say that the guy's entire life is a sham because of the way it ended is fucking perposterous.

I don't give a shit if you're a fan of the guy or not, but the general reaction to this is absurd. You people insult the guy's entire existance, the entire being that he is, as if he somehow attacked you. Well, he didn't. He apparently had a psychotic episode in a place where help was not immediately accessible, and bad things happened. But you know what? Put yourself in his shoes and see it from his angle. And if you can't do that, you've got no room to judge.
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:34 AM   #7
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I'm sure we'll see the moves done at some point, not necessarily with a mention of Benoit though. The same way they used to avoid mentioning other longstanding wrestlers [who didnt work for them or werent on good terms] who made moves famous.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:16 AM   #8
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people stopped using German suplexes for a while.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:44 PM   #9
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people stopped using German suplexes for a while.
one was sort of used this week in the cruiserweight triple threat...it was awesome btw
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:19 AM   #10
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Yea, I don't see anyone adopting the crossface in the forseeable future. Anyone in this generation of wrestlers, and the generation that's coming up, and those watching wrestling now...and honestly who after that is gonna not know about this and use it.
Of course it will be used, but probably not prominently by anyone prominent.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:21 AM   #11
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I also woudln't be surprised if Germans were just called as "suplexes" when they are used. Especially by JR.
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:21 AM   #12
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I also woudln't be surprised if Germans were just called as "suplexes" when they are used. Especially by JR.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:25 AM   #13
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Belly-To-Back Suplex is what we'll probably hear.

Much like the way the Manhattan Drop was renamed the Reverse Atomic Drop after 9-11.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:26 AM   #14
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Or much like they renamed the flying leg kick the dropkick after the legends of wrestling pay per view disaster
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:32 AM   #15
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I know a guy who's planning on using the crossface for cheap heat.
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Tell him to enjoy the cheap heat, it's the closest thing to over he'll ever be

Seriously though, that's fucked.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:30 AM   #17
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:18 AM   #19
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I would think that the less said about Benoit, the better off WWE would feel. This following week, I don't think they can not say something but after that I would guess they want to put this whole thing behind them. That includes using move sets.

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Ok, the problem with doing anything benoit does as a tribute to benoit is that his entire move set (besides the crossface) is in tribue to someone else. His most basic moves and flying head-butt are in honor of Dynamite Kid. He didn't really start using the triple-german suplex after Owen died, and it was one of Owen's signature moves. Then there is the sharpshooter which is in tribute to all of the Harts. So, it is like people who started using the frog splash in memory of Eddie when Eddie was doing it in memory of that one guy who I always forget his name.
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:12 PM   #21
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So, it is like people who started using the frog splash in memory of Eddie when Eddie was doing it in memory of that one guy who I always forget his name.
I believe that was Jacques A Frogue.
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Ok, the problem with doing anything benoit does as a tribute to benoit is that his entire move set (besides the crossface) is in tribue to someone else. His most basic moves and flying head-butt are in honor of Dynamite Kid. He didn't really start using the triple-german suplex after Owen died, and it was one of Owen's signature moves. Then there is the sharpshooter which is in tribute to all of the Harts. So, it is like people who started using the frog splash in memory of Eddie when Eddie was doing it in memory of that one guy who I always forget his name.

Without looking it up, I'm going out on a limb here andsaying his name was Art Barr.
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Much like the way the Manhattan Drop was renamed the Reverse Atomic Drop after 9-11.

Kinda wondered about that. I thought it was JR being retarded.
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:54 PM   #24
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Kinda wondered about that. I thought it was JR being retarded.
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It was called at at points before 9-11.
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Old 06-28-2007, 04:01 PM   #25
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What's with all this talk of renaming the "German Suplex"? It's not like the move was named after Benoit...
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Old 06-28-2007, 04:58 PM   #26
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What's with all this talk of renaming the "German Suplex"? It's not like the move was named after Benoit...
Or even that he was the only one in WWF/E/WCW/ECW who did it.
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Old 06-28-2007, 05:51 PM   #27
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Oh for fucks sake, benoit didn't make the moves what they are, still using german suplexs and shit (despite the obv. crossface and maybe headbutt). if its a wrestling move its a move and if its in your arsenal then go for it, if people are that paraniod that by using a german suplex will make you kill your son and wife then they can leave wrestling
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:24 PM   #28
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:29 PM   #29
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Owen used the triple German suxplexes?
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:40 PM   #30
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:42 PM   #31
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I actually really love the Crippler Crossface. I use it all the time against friends in play matches, and would probably have been a signature move if I ever was a pro-wrestler. I hate to see it go out like it was Hitler's mustache or something.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:22 PM   #32
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Taking something out of our lives, is that what we should do when something reminds us of an event which we would rather forget? JT Kool brought up Hitler's Moustache, I prefer to refer to that moustache as the Charlie Chaplin Moustache, an actor who made it a legend, and then it gets tainted by somebody who commits an awful act. Keeping that style of moustache alive shows that we won’t glorify the culprit with acknowledging them ownership, and the same thing shouldn’t be done in this case, Chris Benoit was only one of many wrestlers who used the Flying Headbutt, Crossface and German Suplex.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:20 PM   #33
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Taking something out of our lives, is that what we should do when something reminds us of an event which we would rather forget? JT Kool brought up Hitler's Moustache, I prefer to refer to that moustache as the Charlie Chaplin Moustache, an actor who made it a legend, and then it gets tainted by somebody who commits an awful act. Keeping that style of moustache alive shows that we won’t glorify the culprit with acknowledging them ownership, and the same thing shouldn’t be done in this case, Chris Benoit was only one of many wrestlers who used the Flying Headbutt, Crossface and German Suplex.
Almost everything Hitler and the Nazis used was nicked from somewhere else, too. The Swastika, the iron cross, even the phrase Nazi comes from a stolen pretense.

But we're a reactionary culture, and a stupid one. Look at what happened Post-911. Stupid motherfuckers took the twin towers out of everything. We want to force a reclassification ogf Bogeyy smoking in Cassablanca to R. Columbine? Trench coats were overnight a sign of terrorism.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:11 PM   #34
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Owen's signature move was not a German Suplex. He used a bridge from time to time, but I never saw that as his signature.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:47 PM   #35
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I don't remember Owen using triple German suplexes, but he could have because it's an insignificant thing for me to remember. As for Benoit, I remember him using those at least back in 1998.

As for Angle? I'm sure he'll still use them. Impact was taped a couple of weeks ago, I think, but on tonight's Impact he did 5. We'll see what he does after the next tapings.
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I do a headbutt, but I’m going to stop doing it, I do a lot of arm work in my matched into a submission, luckily it’s not a crossface though.
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I'll be sure to go through the mental exercise of putting myself in a killer's shoes to see why he killed his wife and kid, in an effort to think of him as less of a sick individual, real soon.

No, he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame implies respectable conduct inside and outside the ring. One out of two does not count.
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This is the third time I'm saying this, so just let it sink in this time...he's not going into the Hall of Fame. He killed his family and thus triggers bad publicity for the company that owns the Hall of Fame. They as of now have wiped away all history that he existed in the company other than his championhip wins...though even mention of his win from the WMXX DVD has been removed.

He may have been a good wrestler, but it doesn't outweight the fact that he's committed terrible acts that will never sit well with the general public. Maybe him not getting in doesn't sit well with some, but just get use to it. He is NEVER going to be in the Hall of Fame.
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That is wrong, you are wrong. The WWE Hall of Fame and any other Hall of Fame is a hall of fame for the aptitude or "fame" in the particular industry. The WWE Hall of Fame is not a place for good people, it's a place for good wrestlers, or good personalaties in wrestling...

It may just be a stupid Hall of Fame for the WWE to promote and to refer to their very best wrestlers to a higher degree, but if that's the case, the Hall of Fame means something. The WWE will not put Benoit in the Hall of Fame because he is allegedly a murderer, and that's their right. But to say that his body of work no longer exists because of the terrible acts he performed in the last 72 hours of his life, is just stupid Does it taint it? No doubt, but you can't just re-write the past, and the past says that Chris Benoit was once of the greatest wrestlers of all-time AND he was a murderer. Just because he is a murderer don't mean that he was never a wrestler, just the same as Pete Rose being a gambler doesn't eliminate the fact that he has more hits in baseball history then anyone ever.

The WWE will not put Chris Benoit in the Hall of Fame because, for all his posturing, Vince McMahon is a coward, either that or he thinks we are all idiots, which I'm fairly convinced most people are. Instead of explaining the detractors that Chris Benoit was a Hall of Fame wrestler, that during his 22 years in the buisness did nothing but grow the industry and help young talent mature, and unfortunatly killed his wife and son in an unforgivable act. The WWE opts to erase Chris Benoit. That's cowardice, the man is both a hall of fame wrestler and a murderer... No matter how great of a wrestler he was will not erase the fact that he was a mudrerer...

But the reverse is the same, no matter how many people he killed, nor how dispicable the acts of his life were, he was still and will forever in the minds of anyone that watches his old tapes be one of the greatest wrestlers that ever stepped in the ring...

Instead of explaining the WWE buries...

Much the same they do in their storylines.
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Good Lord...

I'm not saying they should put him in NOW, nor do I suspect they would. I'm saying, had this not occurred, you all know he WOULD be there.

What I'm driving at, is that calling him a bad man is fucking stupid. If you aren't even willing to ponder what he was going through to commit such atrocities, then what value could your convicying attitude hold?

Trying to claim that a man who had a successful career, lived by the ideals of respect and lead a good life for 39.9 years was a complete and total waste of life because of a psychotic break at the home stretch is downright stupid. You choose to reject that? Then enjoy badmouthing something you don't understand like all the other children. But remember this: there is no nobility in uneducated arrogance.
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