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Old 11-27-2007, 12:30 AM   #1
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So, Codebreaker... Yay or Nay? (RAW Spoilers)
So Jericho debuted his new move tonight, The Codebreaker. Not sure if it has a technical name, but for those who didn't see it, think of it like a Backcraker only with the knees to the face.

So... Yay, nay, eh or Loose Cannon?

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:31 AM   #2
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Loose Cannon, I mean nay. Nay to Jericho being back at all. He isn't doing shit.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:31 AM   #3
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Yay to the name, but the move is kinda ehh
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:33 AM   #4
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Name isn't bad
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:33 AM   #5
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No, the name sucks as well. The whole code gimmick/name thing is just a shell, a name. He isn't doing anything but the same shit he did as Y2J and Lionheart and everything else. I'm just bored by the whole thing.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:34 AM   #6
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NAh the name fits
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:36 AM   #7
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It would fit, but he isn't breaking the guys code, he is breaking their face or chin or something.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:37 AM   #8
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by the fact that is simply a facecracker....i say yay because its like when carlito started doing the backstabber (backcracker) its something no one has done in the WWE to my knowledge

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:39 AM   #9
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eh, i would like to see him bring back the original liontamer.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:42 AM   #10
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I would prefer him to use the original Liontamer, but I'm fine with the Codebreaker. The name is pretty catchy and it's a good "out of nowhere" move(which I prefer), so I'm kind of digging it.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:41 AM   #11
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IT IS COOL NOT TO LIKE THINGS THAT ARE POPULAR WITH THE MAINSTREAM SO ZOMGGGGGGGG NO IT'S SHIT
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:43 AM   #12
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Wrestling is not mainstream. Posting about wrestling is not mainstream wrestling. From last weeks ratings and this weeks lack of a pop for Jericho, he isn't what the mainstream wants either. I'm just no agreeing with mainstream TPWW.
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BDC, you have no credibility because you hate everything. Everything is the entire free world is hated by you. I'm not saying that you are incorrect in this particular instance but try smelling some flowers or something.
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I like things. I'm just not buying this whole Jericho is god because he was half decent 3 years ago, then got lazy before retiring 2 years ago, but now that he has come back he is amazing. Just because some 6 foot tall 230 something wrestler is good on the mic, I'm not going to start jerking him off for nothing. Jericho is a solid upper mid card worker. Pretending he is awesome doesn't change the fact that he is upper midcard at best.

If you want to see greatness, HBK.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:04 AM   #15
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I like things. I'm just not buying this whole Jericho is god because he was half decent 3 years ago, then got lazy before retiring 2 years ago, but now that he has come back he is amazing. Just because some 6 foot talk 230 something wrestling is good on the mic, I'm not going to start jerking him off for nothing. Jericho is a solid upper mid card worked. Pretending he is awesome doesn't change the fact that he is upper midcard at best.

If you want to see greatness, HBK.
Well, I guess only time will tell if Y2J lives up to the hype. He's only been back for two weeks so far. I don't think he's been bad by any means but everyone is entitled to an opinion. As for the codebreaker, I approve.

I disagree with the 'forever in the midcard' thing. Albeit, he's a bit small but so was Eddie and so was Benoit. He's got the charisma, mic skills, in-ring skills and experience to be a pretty heavy force in the midcard for at least a couple years. At the very least, he's better than Orton.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:43 AM   #16
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I like things. I'm just not buying this whole Jericho is god because he was half decent 3 years ago, then got lazy before retiring 2 years ago, but now that he has come back he is amazing. Just because some 6 foot talk 230 something wrestling is good on the mic, I'm not going to start jerking him off for nothing. Jericho is a solid upper mid card worked. Pretending he is awesome doesn't change the fact that he is upper midcard at best.

If you want to see greatness, HBK.
Meh, I've honestly been a Jericho fan since the WCW days, but to an extent I agree with BDC. I love Jericho, but I can't be ignorant to the fact that his coming was a bit gay, and this week not only was he a bit stale on the mic...but the crowd was giving him the John Cena treatment. He reminds me of Christian when he went to TNA...great to see, but just didn't really try anymore or maybe was trying too hard.

As for HBK, yea...anyone who argues that HBK isn't that great is just doing it to get BDC and a few others to stop riding the Kliques dicks every post (seriously, gimmick or not, it's getting old to hear). However, as good as HBK is, he's been in the title scene since last year and has lost every title match (and yes he didn't lose at CS, but I see no belt around his waist so it doesn't seem to matter). At this point, the lost of momentum has kind of gotten me bored of him...and probably some others around here as well.

I think with Jericho, we were looking for something fresh and different, and as much as he's been off his game, we seek it too hard and thus why we ride Jericho. However, with HBK used up, and the fact that HHH could tear a quad again for all I care, the klique isn't helping much anymore either.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:21 AM   #17
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I like things. I'm just not buying this whole Jericho is god because he was half decent 3 years ago, then got lazy before retiring 2 years ago, but now that he has come back he is amazing. Just because some 6 foot talk 230 something wrestling is good on the mic, I'm not going to start jerking him off for nothing. Jericho is a solid upper mid card worked. Pretending he is awesome doesn't change the fact that he is upper midcard at best.

If you want to see greatness, HBK.
Yeah, because wrestling was saved by HBK. Look, I don't know what you expect of Jericho. The crowds these days are shitty...full stop. They don't pop for anyone, really. The only people who really attend these days are marks (smarks kind of died off, as you can hear by the more favourable reactions Cena was getting), and the last time marks saw Jericho, he was a heel feuding with their hero. It'll take some time before some people warm up to him.

I'd much rather see Jericho do the stuff that got him his reputation in the first place. Sure, let's bring him back with a Bomberman gimmick. That'd fix him.

Jericho never got lazy. Granted, 2002 was not his best year, but no one on RAW was stellar at that time. He then got a lot more interesting, and although somewhat forgotten in the scheme of things, he can't really be considered lazy. There were a lot of great matches he was a part of. It's also rich you calling someone lazy. Aren't we talking about the biggest Kevin Nash fan in the world here?

Also, I'm fairly certain it was you who pointed out that the ratings of a show the week someone returns isn't a good indication of how effective their return actually is. You need to see if more people tune in next week, after hearing about it. Wait until the ratings come out the same this week as last week before you start bitching about him doing nothing. Follow your own fucking advice.
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Yeah, because wrestling was saved by HBK.
I never said HBK is going to save wrestling. I merely said that if you want greatness, look to HBK.

Also, I didn't bother reading the rest, figured it had something to do with Val being champion.
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Also, I'm fairly certain it was you who pointed out that the ratings of a show the week someone returns isn't a good indication of how effective their return actually is. You need to see if more people tune in next week, after hearing about it. Wait until the ratings come out the same this week as last week before you start bitching about him doing nothing. Follow your own fucking advice.
Yes I did point out the ratings were weak. There is a slight difference from someone unexpectedly coming back and Jericho's return. The Save_us.222 videos have been airing for months before annoucing the exact date this mysterous stranger was coming to save wrestling. And no one cared. Now if that that is Jericho's or WWE's fault, that remains to be seen. But the fact is everyone knew something big was suppose to be happening last Monday and they still choose not to tune in.
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Yes I did point out the ratings were weak. There is a slight difference from someone unexpectedly coming back and Jericho's return. The Save_us.222 videos have been airing for months before annoucing the exact date this mysterous stranger was coming to save wrestling. And no one cared. Now if that that is Jericho's or WWE's fault, that remains to be seen. But the fact is everyone knew something big was suppose to be happening last Monday and they still choose not to tune in.
I'm gonna wait and see the real ratings before I start saying they were weak, but yes. with them hyping a return "Next Week," the ratings should have already been impacted.
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I like things. I'm just not buying this whole Jericho is god because he was half decent 3 years ago, then got lazy before retiring 2 years ago, but now that he has come back he is amazing. Just because some 6 foot talk 230 something wrestling is good on the mic, I'm not going to start jerking him off for nothing. Jericho is a solid upper mid card worked. Pretending he is awesome doesn't change the fact that he is upper midcard at best.

If you want to see greatness, HBK.
I agree and disagree.

I disagree that with the statement that Jericho is an upper-mid card wrestler at best. The man SHOULD have and COULD have been a wildly successful main-eventer...if he was pushed right.

Now here is the part I agree with (atleast I think you feel the same way). Jericho's character is STALE. It was horribly stale the last time he was around, and it's only a matter of time before he gets stale THIS time around. Why? Because - Jericho's character is almost the EXACT same as it was a few years ago (sans lesbian vest and lesbian haircut).

I've been a Jericho fan throughout his entire WWE stint, but I'm just not sold on his return thus far. Very medicore to say the very least.
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I agree and disagree.

I disagree that with the statement that Jericho is an upper-mid card wrestler at best. The man SHOULD have and COULD have been a wildly successful main-eventer...if he was pushed right.

Now here is the part I agree with (atleast I think you feel the same way). Jericho's character is STALE. It was horribly stale the last time he was around, and it's only a matter of time before he gets stale THIS time around. Why? Because - Jericho's character is almost the EXACT same as it was a few years ago (sans lesbian vest and lesbian haircut).

I've been a Jericho fan throughout his entire WWE stint, but I'm just not sold on his return thus far. Very medicore to say the very least.
With the right push, anyone can be wildly successful main-eventers, case in point Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, and Ultimate Warrior (hell the only reason Bats isn't in that list is because he didn't recive the right push nor is he wildly successful).

Anyhow, could Jericho have been great if he receive the most awesomely prefect of pushes? Yes he could have. But he didn't and he isn't succesful. Now take for example Ric Flair. He also didn't get the awesomley prefect push, infact for a good part of his career everyone was trying to hold him down, yet he was still wildly successful.

But yeah, Codebreaker Jericho is Y2J Jericho with a haircut and new vest, there has been no material change, just superficial changes.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:54 AM   #24
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To me, it seems like it would be more of a setup type move for something else but that isn't to say that it can't be built up to be massive on its own. It's kinda cool because it's a move that can come out of nowewhere practically. Also, it looks as if it wouldn't be too difficult to pull off coming off of the second turnbuckle or off of a springboard.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:54 AM   #25
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I voted Loose Cannon. The ballet was confusing.

It's . . . not bad. A good quick move that I buy as pretty easily able to knock a guy out for a three count. I'd like to have it become his back-up finisher if they don't want to end with a Liontamer, not just a replacement. (I'm not sure what they intend so far. That might possibly be exactly what they'll do.)
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:20 AM   #26
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Codebreaker was good, like everyone else though, want to see the Liontamer come out.
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I like the move, but we'll see how it works as a finisher. If he can pull it out of nowhere, it'll be good (ala RKO, Sweet chin music). My only concern is him botching it, as it's a move that could easily looked fucked up if the timing is off.

Also, I'd like to point out that Jerichio has been watching Marufuji wrestle
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:36 AM   #28
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I'd take Codebreaker Y2J over Cena, HHH, Orton, Batista, or Undertaker any damn day of the year.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:51 AM   #29
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:36 AM   #32
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Loose Cannon
While the move looks cool and the name fits I wanted to see a Lionsault or The Walls of Jericho.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:36 AM   #33
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I dig it. It seems like it would be a secondary finisher at best. You know, good for coming out of nowhere and can put a guy away, but is used more for a set up to something bigger.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:45 AM   #34
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:54 AM   #35
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I like it but he should use it to set up the Liontamer
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:36 AM   #36
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Wow, I’ve used that!!!

Sweet!

And there’s a sweet set up he can do, set the opponent up like they crotched on the 2nd rope, like when Goldust gave people a kick to the nuts.

Then run at them. Full on knees, like an E Express and then drop into the code breaker, it looks savage

I like the move, and it can be set up in a bunch of ways.

Like he could go for a monkey flip from a corner, the guy hold onto the ropes, so Jericho jumps off the guys thighs and falls back with the hands behind his head, bamb!

Can reverse that out of a powerbomb, Bamb!

Just a good flash move, I likes it I do
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yeah, that's a good way of putting it: a flash move.

Nobody ever sees it coming.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:25 AM   #38
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As far as the move goes? I like it. Nowhere near epic enough to replace the Walls of Jericho, but I like the idea of adding it as a third finishing move alongside the Walls and the Lionsault. Stevie Richards has actually been using the move as part of his repertoire. I guess we won't see anymore of that. Although it would be sweet to have Stevie show up, claiming Jericho stole his move, and then have Jericho take Stevie under his wing, Ralphus style.

The move will be a great "out of nowhere" move, like the Stone Cold Stunner. The idea of Jericho performing a flying or springboard variant of the move also gets me wet. Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be another "Breakdown." Remember that?

I'd love to see Jericho hit the Codebreaker, then the Lionsault, followed by locking in the Walls of Jericho. That series would be pretty badass.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:13 AM   #39
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Thought Jericho was pretty awesome this week personally, looked good in the ring, good on the mic and although he should have given it to Orton to cost him the match against Flair, thought it looked pretty good. It's certainly better than the fucking (makes me) go to sleep.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:30 AM   #40
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The crowd was truly awful from what I could see. Even Hardy and Flair the second time didn't get any sort of reaction. I don't recall any wrestler getting any heat either.

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