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Pirate 18 36.00%
Dude who fucks his sister 15 30.00%
Loose Cannon 7 14.00%
*lol* Wrestling. 10 20.00%
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:26 AM   #1
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So which is better, the pirate or the dude who fucks his sister?
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:12 AM   #2
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The incest thing looks bad on paper, but I wanna see if Burchill can actually pull it off next week.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:16 AM   #3
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I find it funny how there was a whole "scandal" over Candice Michelle, yet now they're doing this.

Poor Burchill always getting the naff gimmicks.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:33 AM   #4
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I voted Loose Cannon, mainly because I think a pirate who fucks his sister could be very easily done. It gets very lonely out at sea, and if they didn't grow up together, for whatever reason, incest would not be as disgusting to a pirate as it is now considered.

Honestly, I think the incest gimmick will actually serve Burchill well, up until a point. Eventually the WWE needs to reveal they are not brother and sister, and were just playing the gimmick to get them the attention.
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:04 AM   #5
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Better yet, a pirate that fucks everyone else's sisters.


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Old 02-05-2008, 08:05 AM   #6
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How about a pirate with a loose sister? I think we can all get behind that








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"Pirate Pimp" Paul Burchill = Ratings. The pirate gimmick was a success, and The Godfather was successful when he was around. A pirate who whores out Katie Lea is bound to get over.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:18 PM   #8
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"Pirate Pimp" Paul Burchill = Ratings. The pirate gimmick was a success, and The Godfather was successful when he was around. A pirate who whores out Katie Lea is bound to get over.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:34 PM   #9
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Old 02-06-2008, 07:27 AM   #10
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Oh, Alienoid you crack me up.
It got Burchill over and made him one of the reasons to watch SmackDown!. I'd call it pretty successful.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:18 PM   #11
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It got Burchill over and made him one of the reasons to watch SmackDown!. I'd call it pretty successful.
If he was so over and such a ratings draw, as you say, there's no way Vince would have dropped him, whether he "got" the gimmick or not.

He may have been over and a ratings draw to you, but not to the majority.
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That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:06 PM   #15
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That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.
Yeah, Regals' protege is way better than them all.
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That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.
The Royal Mutilation was a sweet armbar. There is nothing wrong with using a simple move to finish people when it's done like that.

It was not as good as his other three finishers, though.
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The Royal Mutilation was a sweet armbar. There is nothing wrong with using a simple move to finish people when it's done like that.

It was not as good as his other three finishers, though.
With MMA on the rise they reallt should have pushed that angle harder.
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how there was a whole "scandal" over Candice Michelle
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Paul was better when they weren’t having him go after his “sister”’s booty...(i.e. Seeking buried treasure instead of a hot piece of ass that he’s “related” to.)
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Vince does not equal the majority nor does he have a great grasp on what the majority wants. Burchill may or may not have been over like rover, but using Vince as evidence one way or another is a bad idea.
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Like him or hate him, Cena is over, in that he gets a reaction. It may be mixed, it may not be what they want it to be, but nobody sits on their hands in an arena when Cena's about. As for being a draw... WWE isn't exactly on its ass with him on top, and who better do they have right now at the box office? Even guys like Undertaker, Triple H and Shawn Michaels never set the world on fire in their own right, even at the height of their drawing powers.
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Like him or hate him, Cena is over, in that he gets a reaction. It may be mixed, it may not be what they want it to be, but nobody sits on their hands in an arena when Cena's about. As for being a draw... WWE isn't exactly on its ass with him on top, and who better do they have right now at the box office? Even guys like Undertaker, Triple H and Shawn Michaels never set the world on fire in their own right, even at the height of their drawing powers.
The WWE has no one to set the world on fire? Maybe that should be why guys like Christian are pushed and kept happy when they are around?

In 2005, the WWE had two very hot potatoes in Christian and Matt Hardy. Neither man got pushed. In fact, a case could be made that their heat was actually attempted to be suffocated. Can you imagine what would have happened if Vince didn't listen to the fans when they started to cheer Stone Cold Steve Austin? Or if he didn't listen to them when they booed Rocky Maivia?

Vince is losing touch, and you can't really use him as evidence of anything. He actually thinks an incest story involving himself is a good idea. The man has not been a great businessman (he has failed with pretty much anything not wrestling).

Back to the pirate gimmick: The fans were reacting to it, there were signs in the crowd for him (to the point where fanfare for him became especially noticeable), which is as much a success as a ridiculous mid-card gimmick can be, in my opinion.
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As for Christian, I'm sure he would still be with WWE right now if he desired to be. He wasn't sacked, he walked away of his own accord at the expiration of his contract.

I'd almost guarantee the option to stay was there for him, as would the option to return be, should he become contractually free.
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As for Christian, I'm sure he would still be with WWE right now if he desired to be. He wasn't sacked, he walked away of his own accord at the expiration of his contract.

I'd almost guarantee the option to stay was there for him, as would the option to return be, should he become contractually free.
The option was there for him to stay as a midcarder, despite being more over than the main eventers. But hey, let's ignore the parts that are detrimental to your point. Hell, let's ignore the points that are related to your point entirely.
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By that definition, Justin Roberts is a "reason to watch SmackDown".
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By that definition, Justin Roberts is a "reason to watch SmackDown".
Well Justin Roberts is a damn fine ring announcer, in my opinion.
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And also, if he was simply a reason, as you described it, and not neccessarily a trigger but rather just an element, then how does that make him a success?
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And also, if he was simply a reason, as you described it, and not neccessarily a trigger but rather just an element, then how does that make him a success?
Because something like that could have equally sucked dick. Paul Burchill got a nice reaction from the crowd. Scotty 2 Hotty didn't ever lead a boom period, or anything, but I'd consider his character successful for what it was.
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Scotty 2 Hotty didn't ever lead a boom period, or anything, but I'd consider his character successful for what it was.
Agreed. He also kept his spot on the main roster for 8 years (longer if you count the pre-Too Cool Scott Taylor). Pirate Paul didn't even last 8 months.
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I didn't dispute that... you don't sign a contract to be a main eventer, he simply would have stayed on the same or similar terms. That isn't to say he would never have moved up the ladder, that's simply speculation either way.

I'm not ignoring a situation that is detrimental to my point. My point was the the Pirate gimmick was dropped (for whatever reason then), and that isn't comparable to Christian, who was not in any danger of being dropped from the roster, nor of losing his spot or his job.

You made the Christian analogy, not me.
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I didn't dispute that... you don't sign a contract to be a main eventer, he simply would have stayed on the same or similar terms. That isn't to say he would never have moved up the ladder, that's simply speculation either way.

I'm not ignoring a situation that is detrimental to my point. My point was the the Pirate gimmick was dropped (for whatever reason then), and that isn't comparable to Christian, who was not in any danger of being dropped from the roster, nor of losing his spot or his job.

You made the Christian analogy, not me.
Christian may not have been "dropped," but his momentum was. People were hungry for Cena vs. Christian, and the WWE teased it, but never really delivered. They did a Triple Threat with Chris Jericho, then moved Christian to SmackDown! where they dubbed in boos and had him job to Booker T in Texas to try and kill his heat.

The pirate gimmick didn't last that long, but it was over while it lasted. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Like the WWE has not dropped something good because of an injury, or something similar.
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You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Like the WWE has not dropped something good because of an injury, or something similar.
I'm not "arguing for the sake of arguing", I just wouldn't by any real stretch describe the Pirate gimmick as a "success"... just because you liked it, or you feel the need to defend Burchill, doesn't mean you can't just admit that the Pirate gimmick went nowhere.

What's more, had Vince McMahon "got it" and gotten behind Burchill, you really think a mid-card comedy act would have made it to the top? You really see a guy like "Pirate Paul" headlining WrestleMania (or any PPV for that matter) without uproar from fans, including these forums? As an apparent Burchill fan, you should be happy they dropped the going-nowhere Pirate gimmick and went back to the drawing board.
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I'm not "arguing for the sake of arguing", I just wouldn't by any real stretch describe the Pirate gimmick as a "success"... just because you liked it, or you feel the need to defend Burchill, doesn't mean you can't just admit that the Pirate gimmick went nowhere.

What's more, had Vince McMahon "got it" and gotten behind Burchill, you really think a mid-card comedy act would have made it to the top? You really see a guy like "Pirate Paul" headlining WrestleMania (or any PPV for that matter) without uproar from fans, including these forums? As an apparent Burchill fan, you should be happy they dropped the going-nowhere Pirate gimmick and went back to the drawing board.
I'm just going to take what .44 said and post it for my argument:

...it was doing very well for itself given its position, and Paul was getting some mighty pops.

I'm not the only one who enjoyed the character. Other people did, and that was notable during the broadcasts. There were signs in the crowd for the character, and people reacted to it. That was the definition of success I was using. Not generating 5.0 ratings, not main eventing PPVs, merely being an entertaining portion of the show to myself and many others.

I'm not trying to appear disrespectful, or anything, but how can you claim that the character was not a success in those terms. It's almost as if you're acting like the character was not entertaining, and your opinion is all that counts. I'm not even going by my opinion here, as while I was entertained by the character, yes, Burchill could have done more. I'm going by the crowd reactions.

Another thing the character did, was it helped Paul Burchill develop as a performer. I did not think it was nearly as horrible as others did, but when he showed up, he had quite the accent, and his voice was described as people as "awkward" by a lot. The pirate character really helped Burchill get those nerves under control, or whatever was impairing him, and he really developed into a guy that could use body language (outside the context of a match, of course) and his voice much more effectively.

As far as him main eventing goes, even if we did accept that Burchill was never going to main event as a pirate, that was never really the point anyway. My point was not that the sky was the limit was the character, but rather he was just entertaining the role.

I believe that Burchill technically could have ascended with the role. He got some big wins in the character, and was consistently kept strong until that match where he got "injured" by Mark Henry (to mask a real injury, which was the last time we ever saw the character). The character was not meant to be a real pirate, but rather he was just dressing up as a tribute to his ancestor. Granted, the WWE often lose their way with those sort of things, but there could have been some "realistic" tweaking of the gimmick to make it darker, less prominent and eventually have him revert back to being himself.

As far as it being "too campy" goes, I disagree completely. The Undertaker is far more ridiculous. The supernatural shit, as you seem to agree, is just pathetic and annoying, and that is far worse than anything that happened with Burchill. If they used scurvy to explain his absence from the WWE, then we'd have something to talk about.

But yeah, when one of your main acts is a midget running around pretending to be a young child/leprechaun, I don't think a large man dressing up as a pirate as homage to his ancestors is that bad.
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Ahem, a little thing called the WORM ERA?!
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There was also quite a pop for the teasing of Tomko/Batista, and they made sure to get Trish out of that group before furthering her push any more.

Really, the Christian situation is hilarious for its own reasons. I don't know whose argument I'm aiding here, I just wanted to elaborate on how hard Christian got boned.
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