2005 MLB Playoffs Thread - Page 10

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

lol how does the Yankees come into this?

I just threw them in because there would be even more of an uproar if the call went against them.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

lol Ryne Sandberg said it guys, case closed

I don't see any Hall of Famers around here making a valid point to end this pointless arguement.

**The Miz** · 10-13-2005, 10:57 PM

Being in the hall of fame does not make you not a moron. Case and point,

I specifically remember Sandberg stating "With Schilling in the bullpen, every Red Sox game will become an 8-inning affair"

**BCWWF** · 10-13-2005, 11:02 PM

Anything Pierzynski does is the man

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:03 PM

The reason I brought up the Sandburg article was because Outlaw went off about me saying that Paul was trying to sell the play by just tossing the ball to the mound.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Anything Pierzynski does is the man

AJ is a hell of a catcher and if that were any other player up there at the time it would of been the 3rd out. It took the catcher to recognize the call.

**The Outlaw** · 10-13-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

I was a drafted RP, so there goes your theory on thinking you know me.

And why shouldn't I believe what I wrote? It was a heads up play by AJ to run when he didn't hear himself called out. Yes he saw the sign for the 3rd strike but he was never called out.

The game is fucking over people. Like it or not the series is still tied at 1.

God, if this happened to the Yankees.. Fox might lobby for the game to be replayed.

And for all of you up in arms that the Angels got screwed, go find the audio clip from the Angels' own braodcast team. They didn't bitch and moan, they just called it a "heads up play by AJ".

LOL it was a joke about the 10th string RP part, lol @ me being right about the RP bit though.

Ryan Sandberg said it? Oh, case closed guys. The GOD of baseball has spoken I guess?

I agree it was a heads up play, but that doesn't make the call any better. You always see guys in the NBA try to draw a charge and flop and sometimes they get the call. That's a heads up play but it doesn't make it a good call.

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Hey Outlaw... Paul didn't try to sell the 3rd strike? Read Sandburg's 3rd paragraph. Did you ever play baseball?

As a catcher, when you catch the third strike, most catchers I have seen roll the ball to the mound. This is not selling the third strike.

I played baseball for 16 years. I played 1st, 2nd, 3rd, OF, and...SURPRISE, catcher.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

LOL it was a joke about the 10th string RP part, lol @ me being right about the RP bit though.

yeah, good call.

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

As a catcher, when you catch the third strike, most catchers I have seen roll the ball to the mound. This is not selling the third strike.

As a pitcher, I understand that catchers will roll the ball to the mound after a 3rd strike. With a play as close as this one was, without tagging the batter out, he was trying to sell it. There is no doubt about that.

It's the same idea of framing a close pitch to get a better call or a batter starting his walk to first on a close strike call with three balls in the count.

Shit... Jeter has made a career of selling close tags at second.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:28 PM

at you cant tell me as a catcher, outlaw, that you have never tried to frame a pitch.

my sophmore year in high school, we had a kid catching that was so good at it... at times our staff was just that much better because of it.

**The Outlaw** · 10-13-2005, 11:35 PM

Listen, I am not saying it wasn't a damn smart play by AJ. I am just saying it was a pretty shittacular call. I framed pitches all the time, that's a catcher's instinct really. I just don't really see him rolling the ball as selling it. A catcher knows when he catches the ball, and he knew he caught it. I liked the way Zeille put it when he talked to Jim Rome. Like Hero said, maybe this will add some drama to this series and it will become a good one because I wasn't feeling it after game 1.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:39 PM

see.. i'm biased either way.

I dig the series so far just because I'm a Sox fan and then I dig the great pitching because that was my position.

and I still think the blame lies with Josh Paul for not tagging AJ out just to be sure. oh well... on to game three.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-13-2005, 11:41 PM

How about Oswalt tonight and where the hell did Chris Burke come from?

**The Outlaw** · 10-13-2005, 11:46 PM

Fuck Chris Burke.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 10-14-2005, 12:13 AM

Just for the record I was the utility infielder for the 1997 kansas city royals and based on my experience it was a strike out but a bad play by Paul nonetheless

**RoXer** · 10-14-2005, 12:39 AM

The ball was caught. It did not hit the dirt.

I did win MVP in my Little League's reigon, so I think I would know something about this and all.

**The Outlaw** · 10-14-2005, 01:17 AM

I used to play soccer so I would know.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-14-2005, 01:39 AM

the white sox still won the game and my tennis playing gf can attest to that.

RP · 10-14-2005, 02:50 AM

Roy Oswalt pitched a gem tonight. The Stro's needed it too. Chris burke is having one of the post seasons that even the best players dream of. Clemens goes in game 3. Astros could take command of this series.

Am i the only person that thinks the Cards bats look old?

RP · 10-14-2005, 02:51 AM

Also i agree with YOUR Hero. I'm glad Doug Edding royaley fucked that strike call. Now i'm actually very intrested in Game 3 of the ALCS.

**PsychoSport** · 10-14-2005, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

As a pitcher, I understand that catchers will roll the ball to the mound after a 3rd strike. With a play as close as this one was, without tagging the batter out, he was trying to sell it. There is no doubt about that.

This is absolutely ridiculous beyond all sense of reason.

Are you honestly telling me that a major league catcher would rather "fake" the catch, and roll the ball to the mound,risking that the ump call his bluff, rather than simply reaching over two feet and tagging the batter? There is no way. Josh Paul would have to be the dumbest person in the world.

If a catcher traps the ball, he's going to tag the runner 100 times out of 100, not try to "bluff" it and hope nobody calls him on it. I couldn't care less what your credentials are, that simply doesn't make sense.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-14-2005, 08:46 PM

ALCS GAME 3

**Joey Slugs** · 10-14-2005, 08:47 PM

3-0 Sox after the 1st. Did we forget what happened last game? Good.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-14-2005, 11:19 PM

back 2 back jems by Buehrle & Garland. Now they have to deal with Garcia and then Contreras.

boo-yah bitches.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-15-2005, 01:31 PM

Contreras pitched a gem as well. Don't forget that. Maybe he didn't win, but he pitched 8.1/3 innings.

PS, Love the avatar, Miz.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-15-2005, 07:30 PM

hott game going in Houston

Top 9, 2 outs.

Cards: man on second

4-3 Stros

**The Miz** · 10-15-2005, 09:26 PM

I love how ARod is getting destroyed by the media and no one has said a word about Vlad who has produced less than ARod along with costing the team runs with horrid fundemental defense. I hate ARod as much as the next guy but its just funny now how he's such an easy target and Vlad never recieves any negative criticism.

**The Miz** · 10-15-2005, 09:29 PM

Also Konerko's stock is rising faster than anyone right now. He looked like a great fit for Oakland before the playoffs but he's probably out their price range thanks to his performance.

**The Miz** · 10-15-2005, 09:45 PM

God this umpiring crew of CHW/LAA is one of the worst ever. Not 1999 ALCS bad but bad.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-15-2005, 09:51 PM

lol was that the NY/Baltimore series?

**The Miz** · 10-15-2005, 10:02 PM

NY/BOS. Knoblauch's mystery tag was the famous play but there were about 10-15 shitty calls a game, most of them screwing Nomar. I don't remember if NY/BAL was all that shitty or if there was just one bad call on the HR.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-15-2005, 10:21 PM

You referring to the base Podsednick just stole, but was out? I can't believe the Angels didn't protest that. I noted that he was out from Prince George.

**The Miz** · 10-15-2005, 10:32 PM

I was referring to Pods getting picked off but called safe and then scoring.

**Evil Vito** · 10-15-2005, 10:52 PM

Yeah this ump crew is fucking terrible, a crapload of bad calls. Also, did anyone notice that throw to third, the ump got in the way of Figgins so Figgins practically had to push the ump out of the way?

Definately hope these umps get sent down to AAA next year.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-15-2005, 11:12 PM

Oh and by the way, one of the reasons they aren't hyping too much... or as much on Vlad is because they are busy crapping on Figgins' lack of production.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-16-2005, 12:37 AM

ONE WIN AWAY.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-16-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Also Konerko's stock is rising faster than anyone right now. He looked like a great fit for Oakland before the playoffs but he's probably out their price range thanks to his performance.

Paulie stays in Chicago.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-16-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

Yeah this ump crew is fucking terrible, a crapload of bad calls. Also, did anyone notice that throw to third, the ump got in the way of Figgins so Figgins practically had to push the ump out of the way?

Definately hope these umps get sent down to AAA next year.

the ump didn't figure in the play.

not like he was in the way of a close play. the ball was overthrown.

RP · 10-16-2005, 03:02 AM

I wanna see the Astros run Petite out for Game 4. Put this thing away now. I dont care how beat up the Cardinals are. They are the best team in baseball and probably the most dangerous. Finish them off quickly i say.

RP · 10-16-2005, 03:05 AM

Oh and as for the ALCS. I dont care if the ball was caught, dropped, the call blown, or called right. It doesnt matter. The Angels are playing like complete and utter dogshit. Vlad might wanna actually try to earn his paycheck pretty soon here. Like preferably the next game before he goes and spends it all in the offseason.

You're one of the best players in the league and also one of the highest paid in the league, in the ALCS and you're hitting .062 ? Its a stick up!

**VonErich Lives** · 10-16-2005, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

I love how ARod is getting destroyed by the media and no one has said a word about Vlad who has produced less than ARod along with costing the team runs with horrid fundemental defense. I hate ARod as much as the next guy but its just funny now how he's such an easy target and Vlad never recieves any negative criticism.

A-rod's always the prime target because he makes the most, until someone has a higher paycheck, they will expect A-rod to win the triple crown by hitting .400, breaking the single season HR & RBI records, breaking the record for steals, perfect in the feild and probably pitch a shut out or two... and win a world series and be League MVP, ALCS MVP and WS MVP. Till then, no one will be satisfied.

As for Vlad, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he been playing on bad knees for 2 years? If that is the case, why hasn't he been moved from OF to DH?

10-13-2005, 10:57 PM	#363
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Being in the hall of fame does not make you not a moron. Case and point, I specifically remember Sandberg stating "With Schilling in the bullpen, every Red Sox game will become an 8-inning affair"

10-13-2005, 11:02 PM	#364
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Anything Pierzynski does is the man

10-13-2005, 11:03 PM	#365
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	The reason I brought up the Sandburg article was because Outlaw went off about me saying that Paul was trying to sell the play by just tossing the ball to the mound.

10-13-2005, 11:28 PM	#369
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	at you cant tell me as a catcher, outlaw, that you have never tried to frame a pitch. my sophmore year in high school, we had a kid catching that was so good at it... at times our staff was just that much better because of it.

10-13-2005, 11:35 PM	#370
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Listen, I am not saying it wasn't a damn smart play by AJ. I am just saying it was a pretty shittacular call. I framed pitches all the time, that's a catcher's instinct really. I just don't really see him rolling the ball as selling it. A catcher knows when he catches the ball, and he knew he caught it. I liked the way Zeille put it when he talked to Jim Rome. Like Hero said, maybe this will add some drama to this series and it will become a good one because I wasn't feeling it after game 1.

10-13-2005, 11:39 PM	#371
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	see.. i'm biased either way. I dig the series so far just because I'm a Sox fan and then I dig the great pitching because that was my position. and I still think the blame lies with Josh Paul for not tagging AJ out just to be sure. oh well... on to game three.

10-13-2005, 11:41 PM	#372
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	How about Oswalt tonight and where the hell did Chris Burke come from?

10-13-2005, 11:46 PM	#373
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Fuck Chris Burke.

10-14-2005, 12:13 AM	#374
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Just for the record I was the utility infielder for the 1997 kansas city royals and based on my experience it was a strike out but a bad play by Paul nonetheless

10-14-2005, 12:39 AM	#375
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	The ball was caught. It did not hit the dirt. I did win MVP in my Little League's reigon, so I think I would know something about this and all.

10-14-2005, 01:17 AM	#376
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	I used to play soccer so I would know.

10-14-2005, 01:39 AM	#377
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	the white sox still won the game and my tennis playing gf can attest to that.

10-14-2005, 02:50 AM	#378
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Roy Oswalt pitched a gem tonight. The Stro's needed it too. Chris burke is having one of the post seasons that even the best players dream of. Clemens goes in game 3. Astros could take command of this series. Am i the only person that thinks the Cards bats look old?

10-14-2005, 02:51 AM	#379
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Also i agree with YOUR Hero. I'm glad Doug Edding royaley fucked that strike call. Now i'm actually very intrested in Game 3 of the ALCS.

10-14-2005, 08:46 PM	#381
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	ALCS GAME 3

10-14-2005, 08:47 PM	#382
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	3-0 Sox after the 1st. Did we forget what happened last game? Good.

10-14-2005, 11:19 PM	#383
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	back 2 back jems by Buehrle & Garland. Now they have to deal with Garcia and then Contreras. boo-yah bitches.

10-15-2005, 01:31 PM	#384
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Contreras pitched a gem as well. Don't forget that. Maybe he didn't win, but he pitched 8.1/3 innings. PS, Love the avatar, Miz.

10-15-2005, 07:30 PM	#385
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	hott game going in Houston Top 9, 2 outs. Cards: man on second 4-3 Stros

10-15-2005, 09:26 PM	#386
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I love how ARod is getting destroyed by the media and no one has said a word about Vlad who has produced less than ARod along with costing the team runs with horrid fundemental defense. I hate ARod as much as the next guy but its just funny now how he's such an easy target and Vlad never recieves any negative criticism.

10-15-2005, 09:29 PM	#387
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Also Konerko's stock is rising faster than anyone right now. He looked like a great fit for Oakland before the playoffs but he's probably out their price range thanks to his performance.

10-15-2005, 09:45 PM	#388
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	God this umpiring crew of CHW/LAA is one of the worst ever. Not 1999 ALCS bad but bad.

10-15-2005, 09:51 PM	#389
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	lol was that the NY/Baltimore series?

10-15-2005, 10:02 PM	#390
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	NY/BOS. Knoblauch's mystery tag was the famous play but there were about 10-15 shitty calls a game, most of them screwing Nomar. I don't remember if NY/BAL was all that shitty or if there was just one bad call on the HR.

10-15-2005, 10:21 PM	#391
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	You referring to the base Podsednick just stole, but was out? I can't believe the Angels didn't protest that. I noted that he was out from Prince George.

10-15-2005, 10:32 PM	#392
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I was referring to Pods getting picked off but called safe and then scoring.

10-15-2005, 10:52 PM	#393
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,329	Yeah this ump crew is fucking terrible, a crapload of bad calls. Also, did anyone notice that throw to third, the ump got in the way of Figgins so Figgins practically had to push the ump out of the way? Definately hope these umps get sent down to AAA next year.

10-15-2005, 11:12 PM	#394
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Oh and by the way, one of the reasons they aren't hyping too much... or as much on Vlad is because they are busy crapping on Figgins' lack of production.

10-16-2005, 12:37 AM	#395
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	ONE WIN AWAY.

10-16-2005, 03:02 AM	#398
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	I wanna see the Astros run Petite out for Game 4. Put this thing away now. I dont care how beat up the Cardinals are. They are the best team in baseball and probably the most dangerous. Finish them off quickly i say.