New trade talks: A-Rod for

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution I said Shilling was injury prone last year, it happens to everyone. Pedro, up until last year was injured mostly every year before that, and as for Manny, he was either injured or playing at a level below what he is capable of. I'm not your typical Yankee's fan who loaths the Red Sox, actually i can't even say i hate them. I do however dislike it when people say things like "It would be nice talking baseball if you knew what you were talking about" just because you either don't agree with what i said or don't like what i said. I was just stating my opinion. As for Nomar being the key to the A-Rod deal, well that's not true. It all boiled down to money. They had a couple teams interested in Nomar, the White Sox and I believe the Angels come to mind, so that wasn't the key. If they would have gotten A-Rod, they wouldn't have had a problem moving Nomar, i just don't think it would have been good for the Red Sox because it would have made a lot of die hard Red Sox fans really mad. I compare the Red Sox offering Nomar for trade to the Yankees if they offered Jeter for trade. Whether it's good for business or not, it's going to p*ss off die hard fans, and IMO i think it will have an affect this season, because whenever Nomar struggles it will be brought up and it will be a distraction. But anyways, we'll see what happens.

Again, how can you call someone injury prone who has an apedectamy?

It's not like a reacurring hammy or something, that's why I said you don't know what your talking about.

As for Nomar, being the key for the A-rod deal, I meant in a positive way for the Sox, it allowed us to move Nomar who is in the last yr of his contract, now if we do, we have no real SS to take his place.

I still want to see if the MLBPA ok's this, and if they do, how the defered money was different then the Sox deal they veto'd.

Of course this helps the Yanks, but I just don't think it's the best move for them.

That being said, I don't despise the Yanks, I love the rivalry and respect what they have done, Gherig, Mantle, etc... but I'll say this, and I wasn't around but I bet Hero or DU could verify this...

I didn't here you yankees fans talking smack in 1918!

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by Yashamaga LOL I'll pass. I'd rather not have one of the most overated players ever. Thanks

I'm not saying to trade nomar for jeter. I'm saying the Red Sox offering Nomar in a trade, would be like the Yankees offering Jeter in a trade. Neither would go over well with the die hard fans of either team. BTW like YOUR HERO said "Jeter is a winner", all you have to do is tune in every october or november to prove it.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Again, how can you call someone injury prone who has an apedectamy? It's not like a reacurring hammy or something, that's why I said you don't know what your talking about. As for Nomar, being the key for the A-rod deal, I meant in a positive way for the Sox, it allowed us to move Nomar who is in the last yr of his contract, now if we do, we have no real SS to take his place. I still want to see if the MLBPA ok's this, and if they do, how the defered money was different then the Sox deal they veto'd. Of course this helps the Yanks, but I just don't think it's the best move for them. That being said, I don't despise the Yanks, I love the rivalry and respect what they have done, Gherig, Mantle, etc... but I'll say this, and I wasn't around but I bet Hero or DU could verify this... I didn't here you yankees fans talking smack in 1918!

Your right on the appendectomy, but didn't he break his hand also? I'm just saying he is coming off and injury-filled year and at his age it is not as easy to come back as it would for a young buck.

As for the MLBPA approving it, they have. As of right now, it is on Bud Selig's desk, waiting for him to approve or disapprove of it. I believe the biggest difference between this trade and the trade for Manny and A-Rod is: Soriano makes like 5-6 million a year so the Rangers are picking up 1/3 of A-Rods salary and with the deal for Manny the Rangers weren't going to pick up as much, if any of his salary, because Manny makes 20 million. With the trade with the Yanks, A-Rod won't have to restructure his contract significantly like he would of if he went to Boston.

As for 1918, my great grandfather used to talk smack all the time

IN 1918 we were sharing a fk'n ballpark with the NY Giants.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Your right on the appendectomy, but didn't he break his hand also? I'm just saying he is coming off and injury-filled year and at his age it is not as easy to come back as it would for a young buck. As for the MLBPA approving it, they have. As of right now, it is on Bud Selig's desk, waiting for him to approve or disapprove of it. I believe the biggest difference between this trade and the trade for Manny and A-Rod is: Soriano makes like 5-6 million a year so the Rangers are picking up 1/3 of A-Rods salary and with the deal for Manny the Rangers weren't going to pick up as much, if any of his salary, because Manny makes 20 million. With the trade with the Yanks, A-Rod won't have to restructure his contract significantly like he would of if he went to Boston. As for 1918, my great grandfather used to talk smack all the time

See, I'm hearing he still is moving stuff over 5yrs differed, and taking less inrest, which MLBPA doesn't allow.. oh well, as I said... I think it wont help the Yanks as much as they think... Dealing Soriano for a pitcher would have been better.

and yeah, I think schillings hand was trying to bear hand a ball, otherwise he's always been rather healthy... he's built like Clemens, not like Pedro. Stocky, not Stickly.

[BCWWF]

Personally I don't think adding A-Rod will totally change the Yankees. Yes, of course he is an upgrade from Soriano, but really Soriano was a key part of their lineup and put up good numbers, if it was like upgrading from Cristian Guzman to A-Rod, that would be huge, but one super star for a better one is not the biggest deal. The other thing, A-Rod isn't going to be pitched around at all in the Yankee's lineup. When you are surrounded by Giambi, Matsui, Sheffield, Posada, Jeter, Williams, etc etc, pitchers are going to be going after him hardcore.

I was reading way back there, so I forget who said it, but whoever said that A-Rod was "really clutch" is almost laughable. He never has been tested, and last year when he had the opportunity to lift the Rangers past the Angels in the standings, he put up horrible numbers, keeping Texas's place on the bottom of the standings.

So what should be dub this lineup: How about "The Bronx Nightmare."

[Yashamaga]

how about "we still have no pitching"

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by Yashamaga how about "we still have no pitching"

Man your pathetic !! Sounds to me like your scared of the Yanks, as well you should. The funny thing about it, is that if Boston would have been willing to spend a little more money they would have A-Rod. I can see Boston kicking themselves for a long time for not getting him when the had the chance. You Red Sox fans are right though when you say the Yanks don't have an awesome pitching staff, we have a pretty good one, and that's all we need with this lineup. Also, you never know what Steinbrenner has up his sleeve. I don't think the Yankees needed to get A-Rod, but when the best player available is out there, you do what you need to do to put the best team out there.

[The Outlaw]

Yash you are a ****ing moron.

First Ruth now A-Rod. I bet a Boston or NY paper has a header like that soon

[Supreme Olajuwon]

you know this Yankee lineup reminds me a lot of the Rockies lineup in 97 with Walker who was MVP, Bichette, Galarraga, Burks, and Castilla but just god awful pitching

I'm not saying the Yankee pitching is horrible but the talent dropoff from batting to pitching is huge

[DaveWadding]

Originally Posted by Supreme you know this Yankee lineup reminds me a lot of the Rockies lineup in 97 with Walker who was MVP, Bichette, Galarraga, Burks, and Castilla but just god awful pitching

*saving CNM's breath*

BLAKE STREET BOMBERS, BABY!

[BCWWF]

YOUR Hero, you sure are good at watching sportscenter...

Anyway, it looks like the Yankee's still might try to get either Jarrod Washburn or Odalis Perez. Talk about spending money, jesus.

Anyway, the Yankee's have improved their hitting from last year, but haven't done much for their defense and their pitching has gone down. Pettite, Clemens, Wells, own Mussina, Brown, and Vazquez.

Obviously the Yankee's are going to be a really strong side again this year, but they by no means have the personnel to be unstoppable.

[VonErich Lives]

Ball hit between 3rd and SS, A-rod and Jeter get in a fist fight over whose ball it was.

Time will tell, but I don't think it's going to be a huge deal when all is said and done, dealing Soriano for a pitcher would have been better.

[BCWWF]

IMO they should have dealt Matsui for a pitcher, played Bernie in left, and got a pitcher.

[Corkscrewed]

Didn't read the other replies, but this is not fair. The deal's basically done, and the Yankees have just made a blockbuster. Screw the salary cap, eh?

Anyway, the Yanks are now the Mavs of baseball, except they have all offense and no pitching (well, compared to years past) instead of all offense and no D.

I was gonna pick the Sox to win the AL East now, but the edge goes back to the Yanks now. I'm pretty sure both teams will make the playoffs though.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed Didn't read the other replies, but this is not fair. The deal's basically done, and the Yankees have just made a blockbuster. Screw the salary cap, eh? Anyway, the Yanks are now the Mavs of baseball, except they have all offense and no pitching (well, compared to years past) instead of all offense and no D. I was gonna pick the Sox to win the AL East now, but the edge goes back to the Yanks now. I'm pretty sure both teams will make the playoffs though.

Actually being a Yankees fan, i agree that this isn't good for baseball. But the Yanks aren't doing anything there not allowed to, and if the lower market teams took the luxury tax money and put it into their teams instead of pocketing it, then there wouldn't be as big of a problem.

YOUR Hero, you sure are good at watching sportscenter...

[Splaya]

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero Pedro will bean A-Rod first meeting they have[/prediction]

What body part?

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Actually being a Yankees fan, i agree that this isn't good for baseball. But the Yanks aren't doing anything there not allowed to, and if the lower market teams took the luxury tax money and put it into their teams instead of pocketing it, then there wouldn't be as big of a problem.

Yeah, I'm not a Yankees fan but your right.

George has said he can/will go to 270million before it stops making financial sense for him.

Don't forget, YES network makes him a ton of money. same way Nesn does for the Sox owners.

As for the "Salary cap" it's not a Salary Cap, there is a luxury Tax (NBA has one also, but I think it works diffent, but so does the cap) anyway... the problem is and EE is right, small market teams take the luxury money and pocket it. It should be that if you receive X$ of Luxury Tax money your payroll most be X$ higher then the previous year, or you don't get the money.

The point of the Luxury tax is to make teams more competitve.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

I think he's playing that whole ignorant american part again

Thankyou for the Negative Rep BCWWF, but may I ask where I said Eddie Guardado was still on the Twins? And how am I a biased Yankee fan? All my posts are usually based on facts.

[VonErich Lives]

So, there allready talking the battle of the prima-donnas... A-rod v. Jeter, I think because of the money they make and their "status" of course there are issues, but Sheffield is much more likely to be an issue them those two.

They said in Texas A-rod would call the pitches from SS.. he'd signal to Pudge what to call...

Well, I don't think that will be happening anymore.

[VonErich Lives]

There saying Maddux is between Cubs, Dodgers and Yankees, the Yanks deny this, the report came from Borus, probably just trying to raise Maddux value.

[DaveWadding]

You mean Borass?

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by DaveWadding You mean Borass?

Actually, it's Boras, but I'll just assume you were trying to be funny...

[DaveWadding]

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

:Knee Slapper Smiley:

Well it's FINALLY OFFICIAL, A-ROD IS A N.Y. YANKEE. I wish I could go to Fenway next year and just witness the reaction he gets the first time he comes to the plate. I'll probably get killed in that park though, wearing my Yankee jersey and all. LOL

[MVP]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Well it's FINALLY OFFICIAL, A-ROD IS A N.Y. YANKEE. I wish I could go to Fenway next year and just witness the reaction he gets the first time he comes to the plate. I'll probably get killed in that park though, wearing my Yankee jersey and all. LOL

That game's going to be fucking sick.

I hope I can score some tickets.