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Old 06-23-2006, 02:44 PM   #1161
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Jun 23 Cabrera drove in the winning run Thursday in the 10th inning on an attempted intentional walk.
Recommendation: You read that correctly -- with Hanley Ramirez on second base Baltimore's Todd Williams tried to issue Cabrera an intentional walk, but the Marlin slugger reached out and punched his first offering into center field to bring Ramirez home. Cabrera gets plenty of credit for his incredible skills at the plate, but not enough for his baseball instincts.
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Old 06-23-2006, 02:52 PM   #1162
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Old 06-23-2006, 05:13 PM   #1163
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Yeah when they tried to intentionally walk him Ramon Hernandez just stepped like one step away from the plate and Cabrera didn't really have to do much
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Old 06-23-2006, 06:12 PM   #1164
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It was like a freaking softball pitch. Pretty hilarious.
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Old 06-24-2006, 02:01 AM   #1165
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Beckett 8 IP 2 ER and Manny had his 46th multi-homerun game of his career

If Beckett could just pitch like that all the time I'd feel a lot better about the Red Sox. If he continues being inconsistant though really don't see the Red Sox as a contender for the World Series.
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Old 06-24-2006, 01:06 PM   #1166
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Yeah that, and Wakefield's run support have gotta be consistant if there's any chance at a World Series.
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Old 06-24-2006, 04:35 PM   #1167
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I just googled Francisco Lariano (sic) by accident, and this is the first result I found...It is a message board for the Reds, the topic is about how they just signed Miz's favorite Scott Hatteberg, this is the response.

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Old 06-24-2006, 04:45 PM   #1168
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This is the real reason I was googling Liriano though...He must not have enough decisions to be on the AL stat leaders lists, but this is where he is right now.

7-1 Record (has won six of seven times he started)
2.17 ERA (AL leading ERA is Santana at 2.75)
74 Strikeouts (No. 13 in AL after seven starts, everybody above him has at least 15. To be fair, since he came out of the pen initially, he has 66 IP, the next lowest is Ted Lilly at 84.2, the highest is Santana at 111.1)
19 Walks (meh)
1.06 WHIP (If eligable, would be tied for third in the AL with Curt Schilling)

He has got to be making a decent case for the All Star game. I know I am a homer, but it is kind of rediculous how little attention he is getting even after pitching 8 innings with 2 earned runs on national TV in a packed Minute Maid park the other night.
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:00 PM   #1169
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:02 PM   #1170
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Yeah 2.17 ERA should get him on the team you'd think
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:03 PM   #1171
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Jon Garland played a pretty big role in the White Sox last year though, so probably not...
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:05 PM   #1172
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:07 PM   #1173
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Jun 23 Cabrera drove in the winning run Thursday in the 10th inning on an attempted intentional walk.
Recommendation: You read that correctly -- with Hanley Ramirez on second base Baltimore's Todd Williams tried to issue Cabrera an intentional walk, but the Marlin slugger reached out and punched his first offering into center field to bring Ramirez home. Cabrera gets plenty of credit for his incredible skills at the plate, but not enough for his baseball instincts.
Didn't Joe DiMaggio do that when someone tried to walk him during the streak?
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He is just consistant in extra innings is all
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:12 PM   #1175
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Red Sox Bullpen with 4 scoreless innings with no sightings of Rudy Seanez or Taverez...WEIRD

Papelbon with 4 K's - His ERA is now .24

What a fucking game
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Liriano isn't getting attention? I've been seeing him all over ESPN, labeled the next big thing, the best young pitcher, etc. etc.

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I dunno, I'm probably just looking at the wrong places. It just seems like every place that had something about that game focused on the Astros, Clemons and their wildcard race and not much else.
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Does this feeling go for every other sport or just baseball? And if it just goes for baseball, why is baseball different?

Kinda seems like saying Michael Jordan wasn't clutch, he was just a good player all the time so he was able to be good at the end of the game. Samething would go for Adam Venateri as well, or Tom Brady. There are just good players that where succesfull a lot so they were succesfull many times in clutch positions - isn't that the definition of being a clutch player?

What it comes down to is a order of words really, "Player A is a clutch hitter" or "Player A is always a good hitter, and in clutch situations, he continues to do well"
I think basketball is different because you can always pass up the shot if you don't want it. In baseball if you're up, then you're up. Michael Jordan was the best player on every team he ever played on, so the last play was always designed for him. Jordan missed hundreds of "clutch" shots in his career but we only remember Jordan over Ehlo and the no-call offensive foul against the Jazz in '98. Jordan is at least one of the 3 greatest players of all time so obviously he is going to have lots of clutch shots. Just like Ortiz has made lots of outs when a hit would have tied/won the game but we only remember the walk-offs.

I disagree with clutch hitting because it's supposed to be a skill, like power hitting or contact hitting or bunting. How can you be skilled at clutch hitting? Most commentators will tell you a "clutch player" like Ortiz or Jeter can "elevate their game" when it's crunch time but I think that's such BS. If Ortiz can hit .400 in the clutch why doesn't he do it all the time? Does he not care unless it's the ninth inning?
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Emphasizing the word "can't" is a VEL tactic. It is rediculous to think that all players react the same under pressure because it simply isn't like that. Some players thrive under it and might bat slightly better than they normally do. Other batters might struggle to put the ball into play when the pressure is on.

It's the same with pitchers. Joe Nathan is one of the top closers in the league when he is under the pressure of a save situation. But if he is not pitching in a save situation, his ERA is drastically higher. Or are batters the only ones that this rule of "clutch" refers to?

By saying that players react the same while batting in the bottom of the ninth, down by one in the World Series, as they do in the fourth inning of a blowout against Kansas City midseason. David Ortiz has had numerous opportunities to make clutch hits, and he has a lot of success late in games. A lot of other players have had opportunities to make clutch hits and don't have as much overall success.

Do you really believe that if you looked at a random sample of regular major leaguers that their stats would be similar in all of those different situations like Ortiz is? Why do you think they have stats like "AVG w/ RISP" or "w/ bases loaded"? It is because there is more pressure there, and not all players react the same.
Again, sample size. I don't have Nathan's splits but I assume because he's a closer 95% of his appearances come in save situations. If a guy has a 2.00 ERA in 60 innings and a 4.00 in 10 innings there is nothing you can draw from that.

The reason it's harder to hit in the 9th inning of the World Series is 1. their best pitcher is on the mound 2. he is not going to fuck around. If it's a 4 or 5 run lead the pitcher might just be trying to throw strikes and not risk walking people, and it may be easier to hit. But in the 9th of a World Series its their best with his best.

I don't think that if you took every players stats in different situations they would be the same, because the sample sizes would not be the same. But if every player in baseball had 1000 AB's in every possible situation I guarantee you there would be no players who hit SIGNIFICANTLY better or worse.

Every player has better stats with the bases loaded. The infield is in and you know they are not going to walk you. The reason they have stats like BA w/RISP and w/bases loaded is the same reason the first stat for batters is batting average and the first stat for pitchers in win/loss--MLB refuses to move on to stats that are more accurate after all the research that has been done since the late 70's.
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I'm not sure about his contract deal, but I think Craig Wilson would be a good fit at 1B for the A's.
The market for Wilson is huge right now and the A's have no prospects to offer anyway. And DJ has been doing pretty awesome for about a month now. Over 1.000 OPS and hitting like .370 in June. And if DJ starts to suck again they can always put Swisher at first and an outfield of Bradley/Kotsay/Kielty isn't too bad. If only Payton would fuck off and die.
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Didn't Joe DiMaggio do that when someone tried to walk him during the streak?
I dunno but my grandpa was a Giants fan when they played in NY and he said that he saw Willy Mays do it
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I think basketball is different because you can always pass up the shot if you don't want it. In baseball if you're up, then you're up. Michael Jordan was the best player on every team he ever played on, so the last play was always designed for him. Jordan missed hundreds of "clutch" shots in his career but we only remember Jordan over Ehlo and the no-call offensive foul against the Jazz in '98. Jordan is at least one of the 3 greatest players of all time so obviously he is going to have lots of clutch shots. Just like Ortiz has made lots of outs when a hit would have tied/won the game but we only remember the walk-offs.
Hmm good point about the basketball thing, football though. Their is only one kicker per team, so at the end of the game it all comes down to one guy. So you could use this logic and say that a kicker is just a good kicker, so if he hits like 88% of his kicks - he has to miss 12% of them. It could just so happen that one of those 12% where at the last second with time left on the clock.

Vanderjak would probably like that theory, since he would still be on the Colts (Now instead, they get one of the best clutch kickers of all time - but again is he clutch? Or is he just a good kicker kicking a field goal with no time left)

All I know is, if its tied up in the bottom of 9th, 10th, 11th, etc I want Ortiz up at a bat over any other career .300 hitter.
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I just don't want him going to the Angels, which I've heard rumors of.
I could see it happening, because the Angels have the best prospects to offer, but its doubtful because I think they're not far away from giving up on the season. They might wanna start grooming their young guys instead of trading them. I expect half the roster to be gone by next year. Get ready for a new generation of extremely annoying unlikeable Angel players
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another fucking grand slam to tie a game against the 'stros.

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Old 06-26-2006, 09:06 PM   #1192
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woooooooooow anyone check the stats on that Red Sox game today? I was there, fucking unbeleviable


In extra's Youk hit a wall ball double to score Coco Crisp to tie it in the 12th after Delcaremen's runner came in with Hanson relieving. Then David Ortiz came up drove him home Youk home. It was so fucking sick seeing a walk off hit in person, plus it was just a crazy game overall. Went from having the Red Sox being 2 hit by Lidle for the first 5 or so then all of a sudden have the gates opened on the Phillies. Sox scored 6 to go up 6-0 so I figured the game was over. Philies got a few off Wakefield then he came out for fucking Seanez, pretty obvious what happens when Seanez comes out of the pen. So the game gets interesting, Papelbon blows a save (didn't except to even see Papelbon pitch, nevermind blow a save) then Ortiz comes up in the 9th and grounds out Im thinking that was the best shot to win. Ortiz comes up again in extra's but he's walked, next time up in the 12th he delievers after Youk hit the wall ball. Spent like 5 and a half hours in Fenway, no better way to spend 5 hours on a Monday afternoon.
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lol

Red Sox win again woooooop. I had the most ridiculous tickets for yesterday's game, the type of tickets where you sit next to business men who make comments like "Pedro pitches for the Yankees now right?"

Like I said, the only thing bad thing (to me anyways) with the Red Sox blowing up is how ridiuclously hard it is to get a good seat in Fenway. Rich people (or businesses that use them for "business purposes" - my tickets were actually from an electrical supply center lol) who really don't give a fuck are able to buy season tickets which eliminates any hopes of getting a good seat.

Pedro returns to Fenway tomorrow, now all the people who blasted the Red Sox fans saving how they showed "no class" while booing Damon will see that the only reason that Damon got boo'd was because he went to the Yanks. I am sure Pedro will get a standing O since he is the greatest pitcher to ever pitch for the Red Sox (He's better than Roger Clemens IMO)
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Johjima 4 home runs 9 RBI last two games. Mariners back at .500. These losers better start losing again or Bavasi will keep his job
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Dodgers get:
SP Mark Hendrickson
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Devil Rays get:
SP Jae Weong Seo
C Dioner Navarro

Good trade for the Dodgers and ok trade for the Rays. Hendrickson is putting up pretty good numbers in the AL East and that translates to domination in the NL West (and great pitcher's ballpark). Navarro is useless to LA now that they have Martin so it was smart to get something of value for him.

Seo is quite shit and is going to be worse facing the Red Sox Yankees and Blue Jays all the time. Tampa might not have won this deal on a talent standpoint but they cut about $5 mil in salary so they'll be in better shape for the future. And Navarro is a good young catcher
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Wow, Jaret Wright throws another good solid 6 innings and we can only muster one fucking run. Jeter, ARod and Giambi managed to go 1-12 combined

ARod is back into his little quagmire

But to be fair Giambi is having a monster season despite last night, 22HR and 60+ RBI's is not bad considering he's been off the juice for a while now
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Damn, bad game last night. I kinda had a bad feeling that Soler would get raped.

Pedro and Glavine the next 2 games.....but Beckett and Schilling to counter them. I'd be satisfied coming out of this series with one win.

Also, to Sox fans. Pedro already got his standing O. Wonder how its gonna be when he takes the mound tonight.
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