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Old 02-11-2009, 05:08 AM   #81
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I don't get it, people complain about not having any reason to watch ECW. I think they just gave a few people a reason.
Between Christian, Tyson Kidd, Natalya Neidhart, Jamie Noble, Paul Burchill & Katie Lea Burchill, I am getting more and more reasons to watch. Oh, and they have the best commentary team in the entire company.

Actually, ECW is often the best WWE show of the week. I expect that trend to continue now.
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:36 AM   #82
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[QUOTE=Noid;2432245]Oh, and they have the best commentary team in the entire company. /QUOTE]

Anyone else think when Christian came out the commentary was less than epic? Made me realise JR's ability to really give moments like that that special something.
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:54 AM   #83
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I like how Striker used the term "this moment just became instantly classic"...I don;t recall Christian ever using the Instant Classic phrase in WWE.


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Old 02-11-2009, 07:08 AM   #84
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Why are people complaining? Christian has become the star of ECW, look what it did for Matt Hardy's career. If he went to SD, he'd be stuck between Edge, Jeff, Matt, Big Show, Undertaker, Triple H etc. and on Raw he'd have Cena, Jericho, Orton, Michaels etc.
ECW is the best place to build him up as a strong main eventer
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:23 AM   #86
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ECW is basically the OVW for WWE, it feeds other shows the likes of:

Mike Knox
Kofi Kingston
CM Punk
Jack Swagger
Evan Bourne

and had re-juvinated:

Miz and Morrison
Finlay
Matt Hardy
Mark Henry

Having Christian on ECW for a few months will increase his stock, if he came out on Smackdown as the one who took out Jeff, he'd effectivly be a bit part player in the story and instantly be de-pushing himself as Edge's puppet as they are not on the same level they once were

At least this way Christian can use ECW to get a buzz and get more over (remember he's never really been given a face run before for WWE) and then in the draft will probably move to Smackdown and feud with Edge, but with much more momentum
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ECW is basically the OVW for WWE, it feeds other shows the likes of:

Mike Knox
Kofi Kingston
CM Punk
Jack Swagger
Evan Bourne

and had re-juvinated:

Miz and Morrison
Finlay
Matt Hardy
Mark Henry

Having Christian on ECW for a few months will increase his stock, if he came out on Smackdown as the one who took out Jeff, he'd effectivly be a bit part player in the story and instantly be de-pushing himself as Edge's puppet as they are not on the same level they once were

At least this way Christian can use ECW to get a buzz and get more over (remember he's never really been given a face run before for WWE) and then in the draft will probably move to Smackdown and feud with Edge, but with much more momentum
Fair point.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:25 AM   #88
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KK, it is so sad when someone asks you what you're trying to do, and then you do the same thing again. My mother used to do that. Just because you have tits doesn't make you my mother.

Dave is right, by the way. Perfectly spot-on. This is just a way to build Christian, and introduce him as an effective face character before moving him to one of the bigger brands. He'll also get a "World Title" reign out of it, I bet.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:35 AM   #90
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Anyone else think when Christian came out the commentary was less than epic? Made me realise JR's ability to really give moments like that that special something.
Todd Grisham is still hot and cold. He's improved to the point where he is now my favourite play-by-play guy in the WWE, but he could have lended the moment more gravity. I do have to say that I respect The Grish for not trying to be exactly like JR or Michael Cole, though. He needs to find his own way to voice surprise and lend a moment gravitas.

Grish has a got wit on him. Maybe he could just act like he is going to quit on the spot, because he cannot handle the sheer awesomeness of a moment? Something like that could become a shtick associated with the man. I think Striker handled it well enough.

I must say, Jim Ross has lost his own touch, though. Remember Chris Jericho's return. JR lended nothing to the moment, and actually dragged it down by treating it like it was so mundane. Jerry Lawler almost ruined it before it began.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:46 AM   #91
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I like most of your posts Kane Knight, but this is one of those occasions where you unanimously look like a total wanker.

Add to the discussions, don't just post this pontificating shit. It adds nothing to the chat and reinforces the pre-empted notion most people have that you are a self-rightous, stuck up anti-social prick.

125,000 posts, and you can still act like a total fucking asshole. For a smart guy, you learn slowly.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:48 AM   #92
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ECW is basically the OVW for WWE, it feeds other shows the likes of:

Mike Knox
Kofi Kingston
CM Punk
Jack Swagger
Evan Bourne

and had re-juvinated:

Miz and Morrison
Finlay
Matt Hardy
Mark Henry

Having Christian on ECW for a few months will increase his stock, if he came out on Smackdown as the one who took out Jeff, he'd effectivly be a bit part player in the story and instantly be de-pushing himself as Edge's puppet as they are not on the same level they once were

At least this way Christian can use ECW to get a buzz and get more over (remember he's never really been given a face run before for WWE) and then in the draft will probably move to Smackdown and feud with Edge, but with much more momentum
OVW? That's nice, but it doesn't build up Christian. Similarly, you take the lowest watched show in WWE, and what momentum does it really give Christian?
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OVW? That's nice, but it doesn't build up Christian. Similarly, you take the lowest watched show in WWE, and what momentum does it really give Christian?
Well, actually it does. You see, I am relatively sure that the plan is to add C to ECW to boost the rating, but as a result of being the top guy on the show, he will get more mic time than if he was mid card on either of the other 2. Plus, he will probably get a 10 minute match every week.

Did you see Punk/Regal on Raw? If you did, I rest my case.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:56 AM   #94
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I like most of your posts Kane Knight, but this is one of those occasions where you unanimously look like a total wanker.

Add to the discussions, don't just post this pontificating shit. It adds nothing to the chat and reinforces the pre-empted notion most people have that you are a self-rightous, stuck up anti-social prick.

125,000 posts, and you can still act like a total fucking asshole. For a smart guy, you learn slowly.
Mmmm...Condescension. That's nice.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning, because none of what you're saying is actually new to me. But I'm curious. Enlighten me as to what lessons I should have learned by a given post count. Probably end up being closer to pontification than your own application of the word. Not that you're being hypocritical, mind, preaching to me what I should do and should know....
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:58 AM   #95
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When I first read this my reaction was WTF. But thinking about it ECW could easily become The Christian Show. Which gets a from me.

Now I need to find a video from last night.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:12 AM   #96
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Well, actually it does. You see, I am relatively sure that the plan is to add C to ECW to boost the rating, but as a result of being the top guy on the show, he will get more mic time than if he was mid card on either of the other 2. Plus, he will probably get a 10 minute match every week.

Did you see Punk/Regal on Raw? If you did, I rest my case.
Of course hell get more mic time. There's like ten people. It still goes back to "who cares?" Christian on ECW won't boost the rating. Christian speaking a lot on a show with less than a sixth of the market of one of the other WWE shows doesn't equate to anything effective, unless his only problem is he can't speak and needs time to practice before the big leagues.

A feud with Jeff would likely have elevated him better than that.

Any lack of mobility in WWE is internal, not because of placement on the show. Christian himself, for example, was mad over before he quit, but Vince saw him as a midcarder. Oops. Matt Hardy? Could have been easily retooled on Raw or Smackdown. Even now, he's jealous of his brother, who has real gold. Do they even talk about Kane's run? I haven't noticed, but....

Vince was going to push CM Punk no matter where he was, especially based on circumstances. Cena got over on his own, even with the big names he was competing aginst for TV time. Miz and Morrison are both cases of "would be pushed regardless," as well.

More importantly, the people it "brought us" are yet to be proven, save for Punk. The list of people ECW has "fed" other shows looks like, whether you like the guys or not, a veritable who's who of "future endeavors." And I like Kofi, and I hope he doesn't get fired, but I'm pretty sure he's either going to be a midcarder or FEd in the next year or so. Knox will probably be around for a while, but in the generic hoss role he could have managed on Raw or Smackdown to begin with, and...Well, with Bourne, my feelings are about the same as Coffee.
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Mmmm...Condescension. That's nice.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning, because none of what you're saying is actually new to me. But I'm curious. Enlighten me as to what lessons I should have learned by a given post count. Probably end up being closer to pontification than your own application of the word. Not that you're being hypocritical, mind, preaching to me what I should do and should know....
I wasn't being condescending, I was asking you to stop being condescending. I am not the person who responded to somebody innocently asking what your intentionally condescending innital comment meant..... With the same fucking condescending comment! That takes condescension to a new level, and certainly not one I'm going to.

That was a dick move. Is it hypercritical of me to point out when you are just not being nice to others, unprovoked? People line up to call you a cunt, and you go for the guy who isn't? Then I'm a happy hypercrite

There was nothing actually self-righteous or pontificating from my comments to you, since I knew you would understand what my words mean, and you never questioned them for me to repeat them with no explaination.

WHat should you have learned? How to interract with people, without them walking away and thinking 'what a superiority complex-riddled cock'.
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Of course hell get more mic time. There's like ten people. It still goes back to "who cares?" Christian on ECW won't boost the rating. Christian speaking a lot on a show with less than a sixth of the market of one of the other WWE shows doesn't equate to anything effective, unless his only problem is he can't speak and needs time to practice before the big leagues.

A feud with Jeff would likely have elevated him better than that.

Any lack of mobility in WWE is internal, not because of placement on the show. Christian himself, for example, was mad over before he quit, but Vince saw him as a midcarder. Oops. Matt Hardy? Could have been easily retooled on Raw or Smackdown. Even now, he's jealous of his brother, who has real gold. Do they even talk about Kane's run? I haven't noticed, but....

Vince was going to push CM Punk no matter where he was, especially based on circumstances. Cena got over on his own, even with the big names he was competing aginst for TV time. Miz and Morrison are both cases of "would be pushed regardless," as well.

More importantly, the people it "brought us" are yet to be proven, save for Punk. The list of people ECW has "fed" other shows looks like, whether you like the guys or not, a veritable who's who of "future endeavors." And I like Kofi, and I hope he doesn't get fired, but I'm pretty sure he's either going to be a midcarder or FEd in the next year or so. Knox will probably be around for a while, but in the generic hoss role he could have managed on Raw or Smackdown to begin with, and...Well, with Bourne, my feelings are about the same as Coffee.
So, what is your conclusive point? ECW should be cancelled, so there are less wrestlers on the overall roster, or less TV time per wrestler every week? Or that ECW should be exclusively for wrestlers who are very much bottom rung? Should there be no attempt to improve the ratings of the show and try to expand the brand to equivilate it to the other 2 eventualy? Is that how you would run your business?

And does ECW really only get 1/6th of Raws viewing numbers?

Fact is, some time as ECW champ, and Matt Hardy is on his way to one of the biggest singles fueds in a long time, that will culminate in a big match at Wrestlemania. He was a good guy to give the rub to the ECW juniors, and he got to work alot more promos, and have longer matches.

No matter what anyone says, C isn't big enough in the world of wrestling, to be in a fued with Edge or Jeff Hardy. Frankly, neither is Matt Hardy, but being brothers is probably his saving grace, and if he looks good in this programme, will raise his stock dramatically.

I don't think there is a TV show on mainstream TV that's main intention isn't to boost ratings. You are almost saying that it is bad business for them to do this.

And fuck Christian's push. You want a push in WWE, you should stay in WWE. Going to TNA is not the most productive way to get over with Vince.
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Christian returned on ECW and called out Jack Swagger. After an okay match Finlay interfered and Christian won.
Oh no, I saw the match. I was confused because I didn't see any of Raw, and I flip on ECW and see Christian v Swagger, and I was confused because I didn't know Christian redebuted or anything. And I felt bad because I was certain he was jobbing to Swagger, then I heard Finlay was announcing and I was sure Christian is jobbing, or getting an assist from Finlay.
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When I first read this my reaction was WTF. But thinking about it ECW could easily become The Christian Show. Which gets a from me.

Now I need to find a video from last night.
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I see no problem with Christian on ECW...and tough shit to the people that have a problem with it. Putting a semi-established guy on ECW is a very good thing. If he gets way over, I have no doubt they will draft him elsewhere anyway. Plus, I'd bet that he makes a few appearances here and there on the other shows. Great move.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:18 AM   #102
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Between Christian, Tyson Kidd, Natalya Neidhart, Jamie Noble, Paul Burchill & Katie Lea Burchill, I am getting more and more reasons to watch. Oh, and they have the best commentary team in the entire company.

Actually, ECW is often the best WWE show of the week. I expect that trend to continue now.
Don't forget Miz and Morrison (yes, they are still ECW superstars) and Even DJ Gabriel and Alicia Foz have been fun to watch. ECW is shaping up quite nicely now.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:18 AM   #103
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Oh yeah, and there was an Evan Bourne return video last night too.
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Christian vs Evan Bourne= A change of pants.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:22 AM   #105
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The only actual downside I can think of for this, is that he will probably wind up in an ECW title match at Mania, and not in the MitB match, which is where he should be booked really.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:28 AM   #106
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That's the first time i've seen the christian return, looks decent,imo.
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The only actual downside I can think of for this, is that he will probably wind up in an ECW title match at Mania, and not in the MitB match, which is where he should be booked really.
He can always be in the MITB next year, no need to rush things.
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Btw, how good would a future cm punk v christian feud,if booked right be?
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:31 AM   #109
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Wow, i knew they would fuck this up,but not this badly.
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That's the first time i've seen the christian return, looks decent,imo.
I hope we all learned something from this, ladies and gentlemen. Watch first. Criticize second.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:32 AM   #110
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Yeah, having him win MitB would be a great way to step up a gear in bringing him up to true Main Event status - if WWE have that intention.

I think it's a good move on their part to put him on ECW. They've always tried to put an established guy on the show so that he can bring the younger guys through. They did it with Big Show, Finlay, Matt Hardy and that was the intention with Benoit.

The guys in ECW can only benefit from seeing Christian in action whether it be on the mic or in the ring. There's plenty of time to elevate him.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:33 AM   #112
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Yeah, having him win MitB would be a great way to step up a gear in bringing him up to true Main Event status - if WWE have that intention.

I think it's a good move on their part to put him on ECW. They've always tried to put an established guy on the show so that he can bring the younger guys through. They did it with Big Show, Finlay, Matt Hardy and that was the intention with Benoit.

The guys in ECW can only benefit from seeing Christian in action whether it be on the mic or in the ring. There's plenty of time to elevate him.
Don't forget Mark Henry.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:43 AM   #113
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It seemed to be Close your Eyes only with a male vocal rather than a female. Sounds better than the old one I think.

Before I go on, I would urge wrestling fans in general to consult Proverbs 18:2 before they completely kill the business all by themselves.

As I recall, Christian was not really in the main event upon leaving TNA. He was at one time but not then. Really, the way they brought him back should speak for itself.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:51 AM   #114
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NO, DAMNIT!!! IT WASN'T ENOUGH. ON HIS RETURN HE SHOULD'VE PINNED EVERY WWE SUPERSTAR AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN HE SHOULD CLIMBED ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING AND PINNED THE ARENA TOO! THEN AFTERWARDS EVERYONE SHOULD'VE LINED UP IN FRONT OF HIM, SAID "YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME", AND THEN SUCKED HIS DICK ONE BY ONE!!! GARRRRRRR!
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:58 AM   #115
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It seemed to be Close your Eyes only with a male vocal rather than a female. Sounds better than the old one I think.

Before I go on, I would urge wrestling fans in general to consult Proverbs 18:2 before they completely kill the business all by themselves.

As I recall, Christian was not really in the main event upon leaving TNA. He was at one time but not then. Really, the way they brought him back should speak for itself.
the song is better...but the older intro for his song was better.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:26 PM   #116
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Bring back the instrumental intro, take out the whiny guy yelling "GO!" But maybe I'm just starting to hate the theme because they played it like three or four times on a one hour show.
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I thought Swagger worked well with Christain in their match.
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And fuck Christian's push. You want a push in WWE, you should stay in WWE. Going to TNA is not the most productive way to get over with Vince.
Someone finally said it. I fully didn't expect Christian to be thrown right into a high profile storyline right away. He still left WWE to go to the so-called competition, and now has come crawling back. I'm glad he's back of course, but with Vince's way of thinking, hes not gonna be "oh you just main evented TNA, here you can main event here!" That is not Vince's way of thinking, since he wants to essentially make Christian pay for going to TNA in the first place but not putting him on one of the major shows right away.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:09 PM   #119
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I watched ecw when 3 girl dances in small cloth. i thinks the ecw champion jackie iss whin in a little boys. christian cages come and takes him to the old school.
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I'd rather Christian be on Raw or Smackdown, but his return was fine. It's not like he came back in a dark match and beat Kizarny. He came back, cut a promo on the ECW champ, looked solid in the ring, and pinned the ECW champ in the main event of the show. I'd call that a decent return for him.
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