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Old 03-04-2015, 02:32 PM   #41
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dunno, I never really experienced any of that and I've trained with lots of guys in different places/of different levels of success and so on. Wrestling is full of politically incorrect testosterone fueled individuals, they're just not usually in charge of training people. I think maybe you and TB1 just came across a bit of a dickhead. Myself and others have been run into the ground by Famous Wrestler A but were never chastised for being dead afterwards or dropping out during. I've seen Famous Wrestler B get hot with somebody for not listening and talking while he was explaining things but show concern when the same person landed on their face and hurt themselves for no apparent reason etc. As well as plenty of semi or non-famous wrestlers being equally professional.

There is always going to be the odd dickhead here and there but it's pretty good for the most part. And that should go tenfold for a place like NXT/WWE. Let's face it, you wouldn't catch guys like Steamboat, Regal etc, guys with actual accomplishments and almost universal respect across the business pulling this kind of shit if they were head trainer.
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:54 PM   #42
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Read through the charges Jesus it sounds like demott is a sadistic tyrant

For some reason this really makes me miss Al Snow
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- In the letter released by former WWE talent Austin Matelson earlier this week, one of the accusations he made against NXT trainer Bill DeMott was that DeMott targeted one wrestler with homophobic slurs and assaulted a wrestler who left the ring after becoming dizzy while training. That wrestler is former NXT talent Ryan Collins, who was released in 2013 and performed as Brandon Traven.

A letter from Collins to WWE’s Canyon Cemen has been leaked on Reddit also. The letter was sent just two months before his release. Below is a copy of his letter:

Mr. Canyon Ceman,

I’m writing this letter today due to concerns I’ve had with the training. I’ve contemplated writing this for some time now. After seeing Harley Race this past week, and talking with him about my concerns for not only my training but my physical well being, he himself encouraged me to write a letter and not only that. He informed me to have anyone in the office to call him if they have any questions about any of the information I will be writing about.

My overall biggest concern is about my safety. Before we took off for Holiday break I suffered a minor head injury. The thing about head injuries is you can’t really tell how bad they are until you have proper time to rest. During the course of a practice, I got hit in the head during a drill. I felt very dizzy right away and stepped out of the ring. Practice was almost over that day and I told a few guys near me that I was dizzy. One suggested I might have just been dehydrated or in need of some food. I drank some water and ate a protein bar and I did feel a lot better as the day went. I decided to play the next day of training by ear and see how I felt. I stretched out and did a few rolls in the ring. After just a couple of rolls I felt very dizzy again and saw the trainer.

That day our usual trainer Brian Duncan was on the road. And a substitute trainer attended to me. As I was setting on the table, she examined my eyes and reaction time. Eventually Coach DeMott came in asking what happened. I told him the story of how everything happened, he then accused me of making things worse. Which is not uncommon as Coach DeMott gets angry and standoffish at any sign of injury. The main part of this story that angers me is that as he was leaving the trainers room, Coach DeMott slapped me on top of the head. This really angered me as I don’t believe he has right to put hands on anyone especially like that. I was lucky that my head injury wasn’t too serious. His negligence in this situation could have worsened my injury.

I have also grown very tired of how Coach DeMott has constantly bullied us. Whether by physically hitting us, or by calling us gay. He has on numerous occasions alluded to me being gay. His favorite phrase is “half a sissy” not to mention him calling me and others “faggots” Coach DeMott has also on several occasions grabbed the bottom rope while we are watching practice and pull it back to hit everyone in the face while they are paying attention to instruction. I personally don’t understand his destructive and bullying nature.

While talking with Harley this week about countless unproductive or straight up dangerous drills he encouraged this letter and told me to include that all parties who read it should call him to talk further. Harley agreed that we should not be subjective to physical, or verbal abuse. He was very angry about hearing the information I shared and more than anything didn’t understand why he has us doing unproductive drills to begin with, as opposed to having practice matches which we have only done on a few occasions.

In fact upon Harley hearing the story of Coach DeMott hitting me on the head after a head injury, Harley was very angered by this. In five years of training with Harley I never felt unsafe or in danger of suffering a career threatening injury much like I have here.

I have also witnessed Coach DeMott try to rip a t-shirt off Alexander Rusev, shortly after he had neck surgery.

He has on numerous occasions called Oliver Grey (Joel Pettyfer) Pedophile, smacked Enzo Amore (Eric Arndt) in the mouth. He has also told Enzo to kill himself on atleast one occassion that I heard with my own ears. Morale amongst us, is constantly low and is only getting worse. However on the flip side Steve Keirn, Ricky Steamboat, Terry Taylor and Billy Gunn have all been positive influences since joining this company.

The reason I haven’t said anything until now, is fear of either losing my job or how Coach DeMott will treat me moving forward. As he already treats me and some others very badly. I decided to go ahead and write as I feel now, nothing will change if I don’t speak up. And I hope I can count on your discretion on this matter.

Thank You,

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Old 03-04-2015, 03:03 PM   #44
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:11 PM   #45
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Yeah, if DeMott is still doing this kind of shit (and there's no reason to think he isn't) it's time for a walkout amongst the NXT talent.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:12 PM   #46
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That or Braun Stowman or some other big dude can drop him on his head to see how he likes it.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:17 PM   #47
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Yeah, if DeMott is still doing this kind of shit (and there's no reason to think he isn't) it's time for a walkout amongst the NXT talent.
probably won't happen, guys are always going to be more concerned about their livelihood/"achieving their dream" than rocking the boat, which is certainly understandable. I've already seen a guy mentioned in both letters who is no longer under contract say on Facebook that "he has no issues" etc because he wants to go back/be re-signed one day so what are the odds of the guys already/still there being pro-active

the ball is in WWE's court. They're the ones that need to get something done, you'd say Triple H given the Performance Centre/NXT is his "baby" and he hired DeMott but obviously I have no idea how something like this would work internally
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I figured as much but it's nice to think about. I mean I get the impression that everybody in NXT is in these sessions, even the "established" guys who made names for themselves elsewhere like Owens, Balor, Itami, etc. who are just there to learn WWE style before they move up. so if they decided to stand up for those being mistreated something might get done. DeMott may be an idiot but he probably knows that going after guys with loads of experience/who are pretty much guaranteed to be on the main roster soon enough is bound to get him in trouble.

In reality I'd say best case scenario is DeMott gets suspended without pay for a month or two. Everything in the performance center is taped so maybe they'll keep a closer eye on him once he gets back.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:57 PM   #49
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The guy MetsFan on reddit said that the top NXT guys basically have a standing note from Triple H to tell DeMott to fuck himself.
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:14 PM   #50
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I get the feeling that If Triple H were the man running the WWE Demott would not have a job. I could see him caring alot more about this than Vince.

Between the medical stuff and this the company seems kinda nightmarish.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:53 PM   #51
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so we can mostly agree that Demott needs to go

While we can't deny that behavior like this exists, it's gonna be there no matter what, dudes like Demott act like this in a seat of power maybe to compensate for their lack of achievements and/or just straight up take for granted the people they are responsible for and act like a total jackass.

THE ONE THING that is inexcusable and should lead to being fired is abusing someone who is already concussed. That shit isn't explainable at all and doesn't help his case.

You can combat the verbal abuse when you stick together as a group and overcome that, but if a guy gets to strike you w/o consequence then that's FUCKED.

His silence just makes it worse, plus I'm a fan of putting Billy Gunn at the head. He's an ASS man and will teach his ASS man ways to the younger talents
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:24 PM   #52
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Lets further discuss tb1 and narcs d level wrestling school experience of not even finishing (where anyone involved was a broke knuckle fucker) to the highest developmental system of a billion dollar publicly traded company.

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so we can mostly agree that Demott needs to go

While we can't deny that behavior like this exists, it's gonna be there no matter what, dudes like Demott act like this in a seat of power maybe to compensate for their lack of achievements and/or just straight up take for granted the people they are responsible for and act like a total jackass.

THE ONE THING that is inexcusable and should lead to being fired is abusing someone who is already concussed. That shit isn't explainable at all and doesn't help his case.

You can combat the verbal abuse when you stick together as a group and overcome that, but if a guy gets to strike you w/o consequence then that's FUCKED.

His silence just makes it worse, plus I'm a fan of putting Billy Gunn at the head. He's an ASS man and will teach his ASS man ways to the younger talents
One of my fondest dreams is to have a whole class of wrestlers who've been taught how to sell by Mr.ASS
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:40 PM   #54
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Lets further discuss tb1 and narcs d level wrestling school experience of not even finishing (where anyone involved was a broke knuckle fucker) to the highest developmental system of a billion dollar publicly traded company.

Hot insight narc
Simply pointing out similarities that existed between the two. Not saying the situations are equal. The WWE situation, by all accounts, seems worse than what my experience was.

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One day Bill Demott will try this on the wrong guy, someone like Brock Lesnar when bob holly bullied him or whatever or some MMA guy who will really end up hurting DeMott...

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Bob Holly face turn, seems to be on the side of justice.
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Fragile X would only condone this if it were women Bill DeMott was slugging.
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One day Bill Demott will try this on the wrong guy, someone like Brock Lesnar when bob holly bullied him or whatever or some MMA guy who will really end up hurting DeMott...

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Think this is the first post I've seen you make that doesn't reference CHW in some way. More of this, please.
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What a bunch of whiny bitches.

I remember my first day of training with the great Hiro Matsuda. He broke my fucking leg on my first day. Didn't even have a chance to hit the ropes. But you know what? I came back a few months later and showed Matsuda that I was no pushover. These pussies need to grow some balls and learn a lesson from me.
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Thsee wimps who are whining wussies should work together and whoop his wide ass. That should shut up that suck ass son of a bitch. Hugh Morris? More like Huge Fatass amirite??
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I think there's a difference between the "quirky" moodiness of Bob Holly, who was simply a mean hardass, vs the sadistic Bill Demott. Potatoing a perfectly healthy athlete to send a message, while kind of stupid, is different to terrorizing the younger talents in a sadistic manner.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:42 PM   #62
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I can totally see all of this about Demott being true. He has hints of this kind of behavoir on the tough enough show.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:46 PM   #63
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Another wrestler (Terra Calaway) recently spoke out against Demott's training habits and slurs.

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At a training seminar, where students paid $100 a person to be in the ring and learn, I witnessed DeMott call a Middle Eastern trainee "Aladdin", "terrorist", and "fat fuck" multiple times. During a bump drill that was nowhere near safe for a green trainee to be doing, he just embarrassed and humiliated him. When anyone else did the drill correctly, he'd turn to this guy and just bash him. When I did the drill, he said "Look even the girl can bump better than the terrorist!". This continued to the end of the session where he told everyone good job, except this guy, and told him to "fucking quit and go back to building bombs." It was completely uncalled for and made everyone uncomfortable.

This guy spent his hard earned money to learn from someone, to get better only to be told to quit and have all these names and insults thrown at him. I have been, and continue to be, bullied and I cannot just keep quiet when the world is finally trying to do something about it. To fix it. To save lives.

Even with me, he screamed at me from across the venue asking why I was not in the seminar. I arrived 30 min before it was scheduled to end and at the time did not have the funds. He continued to yell from across the venue at me as if I had done something wrong but I got in there for the last bit and did it without warming up, without stretching, just so I wouldn't continue to be shouted at for no reason at all. It's just sad that this is what people have come to. That's all I have to say.

This was all like 5-6 years ago, before I had ever stepped foot in a ring to wrestle. It was a long time ago, but some things never change."
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I think there's a difference between the "quirky" moodiness of Bob Holly, who was simply a mean hardass, vs the sadistic Bill Demott. Potatoing a perfectly healthy athlete to send a message, while kind of stupid, is different to terrorizing the younger talents in a sadistic manner.
I was about to say Bob holly is a tough bastard if he's saying Demott is crossing the line then it must be really bad.

Where the fuck does Demott get off calling other people fat?

Really wish someone who isn't a former WWE talent would speak up.
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Bill Demott no longer the head trainer of NXT and resigned from the WWE.

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I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately.
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"I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately."

DeMott resigns from his position via the twitter
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Didn't really expect that to happen. Glad it did.
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Yeah I thought they'd pressure him into it, but not this quickly.
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He would have fought resigning if he truly didn't do anything. He knows he's guilty and just sped up the inevitable.
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Holy shit. Progress never happens this quickly in the WWE.
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"I deny the recent allegations made about me, however, to avoid any embarrassment or damage to the WWE, I've decided to step down from my role effective immediately."

DeMott resigns from his position via the twitter
aka "I did it"
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:21 PM   #73
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I think WWE saw the snowball rolling downhill and got really nervous. It starts with one letter and then tons more follow. The stories started piling up too much to ignore. I'm willing to bet they offered him an opportunity to step down because him being fired would have made him look guilty
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"I Didn't Try to Get Enzo Amore to Commit Suicide but if I Did Here's How I'd Do it: The Bill DeMott Memoirs"
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I think WWE saw the snowball rolling downhill and got really nervous. It starts with one letter and then tons more follow. The stories started piling up too much to ignore. I'm willing to bet they offered him an opportunity to step down because him being fired would have made him look guilty
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:31 PM   #77
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I personally find this entire situation very hugh morris
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Wouldn't be surprised if the strength coach gets fired as well now that more and more people have been speaking out about the bad stuff occurring in development.
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Holy shit.

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The stuff about getting fired for speaking out is really despicable, but goes in line with what we've though all along. Frankly if I was Vince, Triple H, or whoever's call it is to make - I'd just fire anyone and everyone involved in trying to cover DeMott. Especially now with sexual harrassment allegations getting thrown into the mix as well. Just clear out anybody involved as it's the only way to try and mitigate a PR disaster. If you were involved, you're out.
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