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Old 07-13-2004, 03:54 AM   #161
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:55 AM   #162
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:02 AM   #163
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Roddy Piper???: I mean seriously...Roddy never trusted a single person in the business ever. It's not even like he had a bad experience where he got the shaft that changed him...he never worked for the good of the company, only for the good of Roddy. That's why he never got the big pushes when he was mass over....He always had his gaurd up on everyone...NWA, WWF, WCW...all of them, and he blames them for not pushing him to the moon. Well maybe they WOULD have if he would have been a team player.

For Bret to take ANY advice from Roddy (in the ring or out) is a damn shame because as much as I dislike Hitman, he is far suprior to Roddy in every way.


Funny thing is Piper's advice was essentialy correct. They did screw Bret. Maybe he wasn't as paranoid as you believe.
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:09 AM   #164
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:12 AM   #165
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Savior do I really need to track down a full list of guys who were trained or got their big break with Stamepde Wrestling? Or are you gonna claim guys like Dynamite Kid (Yes I know he's British but he has huge ties to Stampede Wrestling) suck too?
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:14 AM   #167
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Old 07-13-2004, 06:45 AM   #168
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:16 AM   #169
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BTW Bret must be joking if he thinks that Ric Flair couldn't lace Savage's boots.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:30 AM   #171
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Savior do I really need to track down a full list of guys who were trained or got their big break with Stamepde Wrestling? Or are you gonna claim guys like Dynamite Kid (Yes I know he's British but he has huge ties to Stampede Wrestling) suck too?
Don't even try Lara. HE'S never even seen Bret in his prime I bet. That's why he brought up Bret'S stint in WCW and said he sucked. Savior, I sugesst watching Bret Hart vs Bulldog at Summerslam 92 for the IC Belt or maybe Bret vs Perfect at Summerslam 91 for the IC belt or maybe Bret vs Piper at Mania 8 for the IC Belt or maybe Bret vs Shawn at Survivor Series 92 or maybe Bret vs Diesal at Survivor Series 95. Take your pick, those are just a sample of some of his great matches
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BTW Bret must be joking if he thinks that Ric Flair couldn't lace Savage's boots.
Savage was awesome.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:33 AM   #173
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Don't even try Lara. HE'S never even seen Bret in his prime I bet. That's why he brought up Bret'S stint in WCW and said he sucked. Savior, I sugesst watching Bret Hart vs Bulldog at Summerslam 92 for the IC Belt or maybe Bret vs Perfect at Summerslam 91 for the IC belt or maybe Bret vs Piper at Mania 8 for the IC Belt or maybe Bret vs Shawn at Survivor Series 92 or maybe Bret vs Diesal at Survivor Series 95. Take your pick, those are just a sample of some of his great matches
Hart vs Piper WM 8 is an awesome match one of my personal favorites.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:34 AM   #174
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BTW Bret must be joking if he thinks that Ric Flair couldn't lace Savage's boots.
Not being an ass, I just want to know one thing. Have you seen any Savage matches from the mid 80's-early 90's WWF? Especially Mania 3, to what most consider the greatest IC match ever.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:53 AM   #175
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Savior you have no idea how much Canada especially the Harts have given to wrestling. Stu Hart (and Stampede Wrestling in general) trained or helped launch the carriers of guys like: Dynamite Kid, British Bulldog, Pillman, Jericho, Lance Storm, Benoit, Bret Hart naturally, Owen Hart, Abdullah the Butcher (granted not the greatest wrestler in the world but he is still legendary)

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Old 07-13-2004, 12:29 PM   #176
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I don't even know why this is still an argument after all these years. There are two people to blame, Vince and Shawn. Bret had creative control over the last 30 days of his employment to the WWF/E. That mean's he had the right to decide who he dropped the belt to. He openly stated he would drop the belt to ANYBODY but Shawn Michaels, which i can't blame him for after all the shit Shawn pulled in the previous years. We all know, whether you like Bret or not, he would not have disrespected the WWE by taking the title to Nitro. You'd have to be completely stupid and idiotic not to realize the type of person Bret is. The sad thing is, is that this could have all be avoided. The Bret vs Shawn match, could have ended in a DQ, and the next night, Bret could have dropped the title to someone other than Shawn, or forfeited the title. This way, everybody could have been happy. Bret could have left the WWE in the way he deserved, and Vince wouldn't have to pay his salary like he wanted. Vince screwed Bret and that's that, their is no argument that will every change my mind.

And to those who say Bret is a whiner, it show's how narrow-minded you are. Bret never bring's up Montreal, unless someone else bring's it up and he has to defend himself. Vince is the one who, everytime the WWE is in Montreal, takes a jab at it. So really, who won't let Montreal go? It's Vince more than anybody else.

In my eyes, Bret Hart resemble's everything a professional should be, and i've watched wrestling for over twenty year's. He deserved better than what he got.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:19 PM   #178
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Just curious, for those of you who said Bret wasn't even a little at fault, what are your thoughts on Bulldog saying he was. Bulldog stated that yeah it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but Bret should have just dropped the belt that night (Shawn winning the title was the best option, rather you admit it or not).
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:23 PM   #179
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Oh and KooS and CoE, look I'm not the biggest Hitman mark in the world (I used to be up until a year or two ago) but you two went way over the line. I'm now starting to remember why you were 'underrated' KooS.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:34 PM   #180
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Just curious, for those of you who said Bret wasn't even a little at fault, what are your thoughts on Bulldog saying he was. Bulldog stated that yeah it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but Bret should have just dropped the belt that night (Shawn winning the title was the best option, rather you admit it or not).
Well, just look at the Bulldog. He was drug-abusing, steroid freak. Look at how he died. I wouldn't trust or listen to what he ever had to say. He is/was one of the most selfish people in the business. Hey, just read up on why his former partner the Dynamite Kid, hates him so much. And Shawn winning the title, wasn't necassarily the best option. The WWE could have had Bret get stripped of the title, or forfeit the title or drop it to someone else. Hell, Bret might have been willing to drop it to Shawn, if it wasn't in front of his Canadian fans. All he really asked for, was to not have his character screwed over. At the very least, Bret deserved that. If i was Vince, i would have had the Survivor Series match been ended in a DQ, and have Bret forfeit the title on Raw the next night, and while giving a goodbye speech, talk about how hard of a decision it was to give it up, and how much it meant to him. Thus, keeping the importance of the WWE title. Then Vince could of had a WWE title tourney, which usually sparks alot of interest which mean's rating's.
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Just curious, for those of you who said Bret wasn't even a little at fault, what are your thoughts on Bulldog saying he was. Bulldog stated that yeah it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but Bret should have just dropped the belt that night (Shawn winning the title was the best option, rather you admit it or not).
Firstly I think he should have dropped the title. The reason I was always pissed is because they agreed a finish and then double crossed him. You don't agree finishes if you aren't doing them. The best option for everyone was the DQ in Montreal and then the 4 way in Springfield with Bret jobbing to say Shamrock but Michaels winning the title in the 4 way so Bret doesn't job to a guy refusing to put him over for 2 years, he makes a star and Michaels gets the belt and a challenger for it all in one night.

Davey Boy Smith was so fucked up on drugs when he came back to WWF I don't know if even he knew what he was saying.
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Oh and KooS and CoE, look I'm not the biggest Hitman mark in the world (I used to be up until a year or two ago) but you two went way over the line. I'm now starting to remember why you were 'underrated' KooS.
Some may say we went over the line with our Bret Hart praise, but he deserves to be honored.
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Other people to come out of Canada or have great ties to are:

Killer Kowalski
Roddy Piper
Rocky Johnson (Yep father of The Rock)
Ivan Koloff
Rick Martel
Pat Patterson
The Rougeau's
Stan Stasiak
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Cyrus (Great talent on the mic)
Dino Bravo
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Vampiro
Christian

to name a few. Are you seriously going to tell me all these guys suck?
Like I said before no.
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Bret Hart is more of a man than Flair will ever be. Case closed.
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:58 PM   #185
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:01 PM   #186
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:02 PM   #187
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About Bulldog and what he said. The guy originally left the wwf due to the screjob, so back then he didn't believe Bret was wrong in his actions.
But after a time, bulldog's life was going downhill fast, and I'm sure he needed a job hoping it'd help him out. He would have done aor said anything at that point to get back in the wwf. I heard owen was also trying to get him back in before he had died.
Bret stated he felt pity over what bulldog was going through. He loved him like a brother, and bulldog had his life going down the drain. Ever since that damn trap door. Fucking warrior.
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Just curious, for those of you who said Bret wasn't even a little at fault, what are your thoughts on Bulldog saying he was. Bulldog stated that yeah it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but Bret should have just dropped the belt that night (Shawn winning the title was the best option, rather you admit it or not).
I remember hearing Bret saying that when Bulldog came back to the WWE, Vince agreed to take care of him because he had a drug problem. Bulldog said those comments after Owen died about Bret. How conveinent it was that the Owen Hart trial was coming up and Vince offered to help Bulldog with his problem. Vince never helped Bulldog when he had the same problem in his earlier stint with the WWF. Vince just wanted Bulldog on his side and Bulldog wasn't going to say anthing negative about Vince because he didn't want to lose his job. Simple enough
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What does Bret and Owen Hart have in common (nevermind them being brothers)?

They both can't walk!

ZIIIIIIIIING!
Seriously, how can you say something like this.
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Seriously, how can you say something like this.
Yeah, that was a tad out of line
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:38 PM   #191
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Too long in the casual forum. They are used to sticking their heads up their own arses there.
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:42 PM   #192
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to name a few. Are you seriously going to tell me all these guys suck?
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:08 PM   #193
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Seriously, how can you say something like this.

I would never say anything like that!

I love the Hart family like they were my own kin.
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:42 PM   #194
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I would never say anything like that!

I love the Hart family like they were my own kin.
KooS's parent's must be away, because he's trying to draw attention to himself>
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:37 PM   #195
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I don't believe its Vince who won't let go of Montreal. What do the canadian fans ALWAYS chant at WWE events???

"YOU SCREWED BRET"

I only think Vince tries to play off that. Its not entirely Vince's fault. The fans have a role in it as well. The fans chant it every time the WWE comes to Canada. I think Vince is just tired of ignoring it and is trying to play off it in order to try and create new stars (Sylvan Grenier at No Way Out 2003). The WWE is desperately trying to create new stars and Vince see's this as a possibility then he'll go with it.

Its a circle effect. The canadian fans scream it at every event and then the next event Vince plays off of it somehow (Jericho's Highlight Reel a year ago).
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:49 PM   #196
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Why do WWE play off Montreal every single time they are in Canada then? How many variations of that match ending have you seen in WWE rings?

Canadian fans cheer their own. Just like each U.S state cheers their stars.
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:54 PM   #197
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I expected that kind of shit from KoOS, since he is a natural born asshole, but CoE, I thought better of you. Much better.

I have nothing more to say.
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:55 PM   #198
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I'm a big fan of his in-ring work, and I liked him up until 1997, when he turned into a whiny bitch. I feel bad for the tragedies that have fallen on his family, but I have no pity for what happened in Montreal or any problems that befell him in WCW.
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:25 PM   #199
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Fuck the "screwjob," Bret is the greatest in the ring ever. Remember him for what matters.
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:25 PM   #200
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Why do WWE play off Montreal every single time they are in Canada then?
Cause it draws heat and Vince knows what he's doing.
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