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Hey guys, did got read Batista's interview where he confirmed he was supposed to be the top face upon his return and insisted otherwise because he knew the fans wouldn't buy it, but Vince and co force fed him anyways? Must've just been protecting kayfabe.
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I never denied that.
ALL HAIL VINCE MCMAHON |
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I love how some of you guys think Vince lays all his cards on the table when talking to talent. Its so funny to me. They likely always had it in mind to include Bryan in the main event, or at the very least was planning to have him chase the title post Mania. Either way they werent pushing him that hard to just have him face Sheamus and go nowhere. Remember, when Vince wants to depush someone, you know its happening. They only continued to push Bryan stronger month after month. But yes, guys it was the FANS that changed the booking. Hey, there goes Santa Claus!!! How exciting. |
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Everything Vince does is the right move. Especially the Flash Funk, that was #1 maneuver by Vince.
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Much like many threads though, this one jumped the shark once CyNick posted in it.
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#214 |
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So CyNick has run out of ways to actually defend the product and now he's basing it all on some kind of a religious blind faith that Vince always knows what he's doing even if it's demonstrably wrong.
Well this is gonna make explaining the faults in his logic less fun. |
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"Having the champion lose the title on a PPV and then having him come out the next night on Raw with the title as if he never lost it because they changed their minds and hit the 'reset' button is really bad writing."
"Yeah, but I have faith in Vince McMahon. So it's fine." "Oh... Okay..." |
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#216 |
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Well you see.... Vince started Wrestlemania so therefore everything he does is the right move.
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In the beginning there was WW(W)E(F)...
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Rosie O'Donnell v. Donald Trump on Raw. Fuck WWE for that. Unforgivable.
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Nope, but he's the most successful (by a long shot) in hisi ndustry, so when there's a tie, I give him the benefit of the doubt. You give the benefit of the doubt to ten guys on a message board and a guy who can't get his point across in less than 25,000 words.
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![]() Facts? The only facts I've seen you post are things like who won a number of matches in a particular feud from 15-20 years ago. Otherwise, it's all speculation on your part (i.e., Vince doesn't tell talent everything regarding plans, the product is good because you're enjoying and revenues are up, we're all uninformed and overly critical, etc.) In fairness, almost everyone here is speculating on things. Except for the facts like the actual ratings and the statements from talent that are often referenced as evidence that WWE's product, writing and planning is horrible at the moment and has been for quite a while. Of course, when you're presented with those types of facts, you speculate and then discount them as rumor or irrelevant. All because of your belief that WWE's product is good and everything is fine because Vince is in charge and can essentially do no wrong. |
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Network subs are north of a million Record interest in advertisers Could be the biggest revenue generating year of all time Bleak |
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Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate. I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance. People like treating Vince like he's this out of touch tyrant. When in reality if he was a baseball player he would be hitting .700 while all his competitors are hitting a buck and a quarter. |
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Is that why you had to resort to "faith" on the last page when you couldn't even think of any other bullshit logic to back up your claim. GREAT fact there.
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Mae Youngs granny titties floppy around was pretty much the last time anybody wanted puppies.
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No one is saying that WWE is not successful. They have built a brand and that's what sells the product. If WWE is coming to town people are going to go see it and take their families out to it. On name alone they are successful, take the network for example its main draw besides Specials are old PPVs that built the WW(W)E(F) brand. All we are saying is that at times a storyline or two just suck and giving our opinion of what should have happened. None of us are claiming WWE is going out of business or anything just that Vince is a little out of touch. Also |
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Simple Fan hits the nail on the head
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Batista likely didn't know the FULL details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance because they hadn't decided on them, especially the outcome of Batista's WM match and what the final card would look like after the Rumble got shit on. Batista was probably told before signing his deal that the plan was for him to main event WM as the face for the title against Orton but that things could change, especially if Randy or Batista got hurt or they had to call an audible for some reason. Just because things can change and did isn't proof that the original WM plan wasn't Bryan v. Sheamus in the under card and Batista v Orton in the main event. Just because people aren't told what the plans (or the full details) are until the last minute or that those plans later change doesn't mean the original plans didn't exist and weren't changed at the last minute or at least changed after the originals were made. So someone who says, "I wasn't told I was going to win a match until the night before," or "I didn't know the full details of my WM angle," that's proof that the disputed original shitty plan didn't exist at all? However, when a talent says "I wasn't even in the original main event plans for WM," that's not proof that there was a different original plan? That's a logical fallacy and one of the dumbest fucking arguments I've ever heard, and I'm an attorney who's heard a lot of dumb fucking arguments. Last edited by BigCrippyZ; 11-14-2015 at 12:08 AM. |
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If I produce more and more types of products year after year, if 50% of the primary product that I produce are of poor quality, even if I'm having financial success year after year, that doesn't make my primary product good quality. |
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Where exactly do you draw the line? What about people who think the product is poor but don't watch? For the record, that's the camp I'm in currently. I'll probably start watching again around Rumble time though and continue up through Mania. Football season will be over and I'll be looking for something to watch until the NHL playoffs. There's generally something somewhat entertaining going on during WM and maybe they'll be able to keep my interest this year post WM through the rest of the year. Point being, if folks who aren't currently enjoying the product shouldn't watch and/or then come to discuss their opinions on the forums, what's the point of the forums? In fact, you know what, you're right. Let's shut this down. Guys, it's official. We're going to be shutting down the forums. CyNick says if we don't enjoy the product, we shouldn't be watching and/or posting here, so let's shut it down. |
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I can always back up my claims with facts. Sometimes i get tired repeating the stuff you lot choose to ignore. Maybe send a snail mail to your heroes and they will tell you what to say.
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Regardless of your argument, the product is still shite, ratings are still low, and you're still a cunt.
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The people on here I go back and forth with the most are the guys who saying everything sucks. Who say Vince is out of touch. Who live off a TWO PERCENT decline is ratings to TRY to hammer home a point. That much different than someone saying I enjoyed 75% off RAW but 25% missed the mark for me. |
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