Jump The Shark Moments

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan So CyNick has run out of ways to actually defend the product and now he's basing it all on some kind of a religious blind faith that Vince always knows what he's doing even if it's demonstrably wrong. Well this is gonna make explaining the faults in his logic less fun.

The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.

Facts? The only facts I've seen you post are things like who won a number of matches in a particular feud from 15-20 years ago. Otherwise, it's all speculation on your part (i.e., Vince doesn't tell talent everything regarding plans, the product is good because you're enjoying and revenues are up, we're all uninformed and overly critical, etc.)

In fairness, almost everyone here is speculating on things. Except for the facts like the actual ratings and the statements from talent that are often referenced as evidence that WWE's product, writing and planning is horrible at the moment and has been for quite a while.

Of course, when you're presented with those types of facts, you speculate and then discount them as rumor or irrelevant. All because of your belief that WWE's product is good and everything is fine because Vince is in charge and can essentially do no wrong.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Facts? The only facts I've seen you post are things like who won a number of matches in a particular feud from 15-20 years ago. Otherwise, it's all speculation on your part (i.e., Vince doesn't tell talent everything regarding plans, the product is good because you're enjoying and revenues are up, we're all uninformed and overly critical, etc.) In fairness, almost everyone here is speculating on things. Except for the facts like the actual ratings and the statements from talent that are often referenced as evidence that WWE's product, writing and planning is horrible at the moment and has been for quite a while. Of course, when you're presented with those types of facts, you speculate and then discount them as rumor or irrelevant. All because of your belief that WWE's product is good and everything is fine because Vince is in charge and can essentially do no wrong.

The biggest indicator of success of the product are business indicators. Those are up.

Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate.

I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance.

People like treating Vince like he's this out of touch tyrant. When in reality if he was a baseball player he would be hitting .700 while all his competitors are hitting a buck and a quarter.

[Simple Fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick The biggest indicator of success of the product are business indicators. Those are up. Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate. I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance. People like treating Vince like he's this out of touch tyrant. When in reality if he was a baseball player he would be hitting .700 while all his competitors are hitting a buck and a quarter.

No one is saying that WWE is not successful. They have built a brand and that's what sells the product. If WWE is coming to town people are going to go see it and take their families out to it. On name alone they are successful, take the network for example its main draw besides Specials are old PPVs that built the WW(W)E(F) brand. All we are saying is that at times a storyline or two just suck and giving our opinion of what should have happened. None of us are claiming WWE is going out of business or anything just that Vince is a little out of touch.

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Simple Fan hits the nail on the head

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Simple Fan No one is saying that WWE is not successful. They have built a brand and that's what sells the product. If WWE is coming to town people are going to go see it and take their families out to it. On name alone they are successful, take the network for example its main draw besides Specials are old PPVs that built the WW(W)E(F) brand. All we are saying is that at times a storyline or two just suck and giving our opinion of what should have happened. None of us are claiming WWE is going out of business or anything just that Vince is a little out of touch. Also

No no no

The people on here I go back and forth with the most are the guys who saying everything sucks. Who say Vince is out of touch. Who live off a TWO PERCENT decline is ratings to TRY to hammer home a point.

That much different than someone saying I enjoyed 75% off RAW but 25% missed the mark for me.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.

Is that why you had to resort to "faith" on the last page when you couldn't even think of any other bullshit logic to back up your claim. GREAT fact there.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan Is that why you had to resort to "faith" on the last page when you couldn't even think of any other bullshit logic to back up your claim. GREAT fact there.

I can always back up my claims with facts. Sometimes i get tired repeating the stuff you lot choose to ignore. Maybe send a snail mail to your heroes and they will tell you what to say.