Brock Lesnar signs with the Vikings

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean I know we've been getting along, but you're an idiot. The Vikings had no shot as they were. The attitudes... Smith didn't care about football, Moss was immature and Carter was JUST AS immature, hindering Moss' potential. Now we have the most dominant offense in the NFL, and the only thing holding us back is coaching. Free agents my ass. We have the talent. Our offense is almost perfect. Our defense only has a hole at linebacker, and even that remains to be seen. Nattiel showed a lot of potential last season, and he's had a year to grow. I don't think we're a player away. I think the talent we have should be able to mask the talent we lack. But that again is all on Mike Tice. The Vikings could win it all, if Mike Tice learned from his mistakes. He brags about never making the same mistakes twice... We'll see. But don't say our 98 team was better. Our COACHES were.

Talent wise you we're... most dominent offense in the nfl? I can't tell, but you must still be joking...

By the way, I was more refering to 2000, when you had Culpepper and didn't have Reed (I think he was in New Orleans that year).

Time will tell.... I'm just really not sold on your RB situation, and if you ran a short route/ball control, might be a different story, but the office Tice is running is a "high scoring" and for that you need a good RB, who can bail your ass out when it's 3rd and 17.

I'm not saying the Vikes are the worst or have no shot.. but assuming every team is healthy... I just don't see them even making the superbowl.

[Bo]

Pics from training camp.



Seeing double
Vikings defensive tackles Chris Hovan, left, and former pro wrestler Brock Lesnar visit on the first day of training camp in Mankato, Minn.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)




Bike brigade
Vikings hopeful Brock Lesnar (center) leads the way as he, top draft pick Darrion Scott (left) and Chris Hovan ride bicycles back to the training camp dorm. Lesnar, a former pro wrestler, is giving football a try despite not having played football in college.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)

[The Mackem]

69

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Talent wise you we're... most dominent offense in the nfl? I can't tell, but you must still be joking... By the way, I was more refering to 2000, when you had Culpepper and didn't have Reed (I think he was in New Orleans that year). Time will tell.... I'm just really not sold on your RB situation, and if you ran a short route/ball control, might be a different story, but the office Tice is running is a "high scoring" and for that you need a good RB, who can bail your ass out when it's 3rd and 17. I'm not saying the Vikes are the worst or have no shot.. but assuming every team is healthy... I just don't see them even making the superbowl.

What the fuck?

Mike Tice is all about ball control. We have not put many points on the board, because we are ball control.

However, for the past 29057907420937409274 years, we have been either AT or NEAR the top of the NFL in offense. Last year, we were #1. The year before, when we went 6-10, we were the #1 rushing offense, #2 offense behind Oakland.

The reason we have "big plays," is because we play small ball, but when they play up, we audible, we make teams pay for playing 8-up. That's not a high-scoring mentality, that's SMART. If they can't play 8-up, they have a harder time stopping the rush. If they play 8-up, they have a harder time stopping the pass. It's simple football.

We have lost nobody except for the WR we upgraded. Add that to more experience for Pep, Onterrio, Burleson, Campbell, and McKinnie, and we have improved quite a bit since last season.

So yeah, we are the best offense in the NFL.

And what the fuck, no HBs?

Are you looking at this year's Vikings, or the Vikings from 10 years ago?

Michael Bennett can break a long gain at any time; he's the fastest HB in the NFL, one of the fastest players. He's a world-class sprinter, and I think he was planning on trying out for the Olympics, if he didn't get injured last year. So on 3rd and 17... there aren't many players I'd rather have.

I'm sorry, man, but you don't seem to have any clue about the Vikings at all. While I agree they're probably not Superbowl-bound, I'm sure our reasons for saying so are completely different.

You may say that we don't have any HBs ( ), or try too hard to score (the Vikings had several drives over 10 minutes last season), but that's all bullshit. The only way we won't make the superbowl is if the coaching breaks down. (or Injuries, but Belicheck did it with injuries, so even that is no excuse.)

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Bo Pics from training camp. Seeing double Vikings defensive tackles Chris Hovan, left, and former pro wrestler Brock Lesnar visit on the first day of training camp in Mankato, Minn. (Jim Mone/Associated Press) Bike brigade Vikings hopeful Brock Lesnar (center) leads the way as he, top draft pick Darrion Scott (left) and Chris Hovan ride bicycles back to the training camp dorm. Lesnar, a former pro wrestler, is giving football a try despite not having played football in college. (Jim Mone/Associated Press)

HOLY SHIT look at the cannons on HOvan.

He lost like 10 pounds in the offseason, but his arms are bigger than other.

I'm scared.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean Michael Bennett can break a long gain at any time; he's the fastest HB in the NFL, one of the fastest players. He's a world-class sprinter, and I think he was planning on trying out for the Olympics, if he didn't get injured last year. So on 3rd and 17... there aren't many players I'd rather have.

thats great, he's a good 3rd down back...

As stated, I'm not saying you have a bad team, but I'm still not sold on your RB's especially in a ball control situation...

as stated, time will tell...

[AlphaBean]

I don't get it, though.

Bennett had the highest YPC average of all backs two years ago... wait no, Portis overtook him at the end, but Bennett had 5.5 YPC. He would rush the ball, and if it was a short-yard situation, then Moe would come in.

Moe can grind it out. He gets the tough yards, because he's a pimp.

I don't get what you're saying. How can you not be sold on proven Half Backs, and what are you talking about "ball control," that is how the Vikings play.

You're being an idiot. How many Vikings games did you watch?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vikings look great on paper but really they are an a little above average team.

[#1-norm-fan]

Mike Tice is not a bad coach. The team simply fell apart last year. They were stunned by the Giants at home and never recovered. It wasn't all Tice's fault though. He's a pretty good coach.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan Mike Tice is not a bad coach. The team simply fell apart last year. They were stunned by the Giants at home and never recovered. It wasn't all Tice's fault though. He's a pretty good coach.

Nah, see, he stuck with his gameplan and didn't change it, saying it was the players, not the coaches, who were at fault.

When opposing defenses knew to line up several steps off tackle, because Mike Rosenthal couldn't stop the rush, Tice didn't give Rosenthal help, not against Michael Strahan, not against Leonard Little... had he put a TE there, or ran a few plays in the gap to keep the line honest, then Rosenthal would have been better off.

To blame Rosenthal for not blocking a speed rusher who is like five yards to your right? Bullshit.

And then in the Giants game, the Giants run screen pass after screen pass, short dump pass, everything is under 10 yards, forcing our players to make the tackle rather than play the ball.

Do we try to throw them off their route? Do we try a shallow zone to disrupt the short pass? No. We stick to our gameplan of playing center field and hoping for an overthrow. Bullshit. That was O'Leary's fault. He didn't adapt. He stuck to his gameplan and hoped for the best. It wasn't the players who were choosing the plays. Could they tackle? Not really. But they had been placed by the Giants in a position where they had to tackle, because they couldn't play the ball. It's up to the coaches to fix that. To mask the deficiencies of their players.

And then Tice takes it to the media that it's not his or his coaches' fault.

But on the plus side, the Vikings have a legitimate #2 receiver, and Bennett is a bigger threat out of the backfield, so defenses won't have as much time to get to the QB. Hopefully.

But seriously. Every week I saw in the paper that Tice refused to change his gameplan one bit. While I respect that in principle, it's not going to win football games. When teams figure out what you do and counteract it, it's up to YOU as a coach to keep them guessing.

It's the Dennis Green approach to football... be boring, but be consistent. Don't make waves, and pray that your whole team will play 100% all of the time. I hate it.

But what I hate most of all is when Tice went to the media and talked shit about his players, when a lot of them were injured, and forced to do more than they should, i.e. the offensive line giving Pep 20 seconds to throw the ball. Even if the players are at fault, you deal with that in the team meetings. If you're dealing with that in the press, that means you're afraid of what people think of you, and are using scapegoats. As a coach, you can't admit responsibility because it's YOUR ass on the job. Who cares whose fault it is? Even if it's never your fault, and your team can't win, you're still getting fired.

Tice is too afraid of losing his job that he's not willing to let it all hang out. You have to have balls. Shanahan stone-face lied about Plummer's injury. You have players like Belicheck, Billick, Gruden, players you know have huge, hairy balls. That sort of confidence spills over onto your players.

Tice doesn't have it. His schtick is that he's a "student of the game." that means he's learning with the team.

If that's the case, he's pretty much consigned himself to the fact that this will be his first coaching job, but he will be fired regardless. But that will open him up for a nice cushy college football head coach job he'll be better suited for.

We need a guy who's ready to win now, who knows what he wants, and knows what to do. We can't have a coach who makes mistakes and either blames his players, or says "Oh well, chalk it up to learning experience."

And when a player has half a dozen defensive players with alcohol-related criminal offenses IN THE LAST YEAR, then no matter how hard you try to pull off the "I'm a student of Parcells and Gibbs," shit, you just aren't the same. You don't command the respect of your players if they break rules and play nevertheless.

Players weren't this reckless even under Denny Green. I mean sure Warren Moon beat his wife, but that's normal. The Vikings can't have "one of the guys" as their head coach. They need a head coach as their head coach.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 Vikings look great on paper but really they are an a little above average team.

Best offense in the league, on paper and in practice.

Solid, improved defense on paper, we'll see if Cottrell can do anything with it.

Vastly improved special teams, just because we have Darren Bennett who is awesome. Lost Eddie Johnson, but he cost us the Giants game, and according to wwf fan, that's what started the tailspin .

Of course, we have no dime back now . Oh well.

[MoRcHeEbA]

I love the vikes, only cause they're the closest NFL team to me, but they always let me down in the end

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA I love the vikes, only cause they're the closest NFL team to me, but they always let me down in the end

I thought it was because you look cute in purple and were born w/ your own set of horns... (they're holding up your halo of course)

[AlphaBean]

I hoped you used that charm on the Hooters waitress. She wouldn't be able to help herself.

SO AS I WAS SAYING, I have some Vikings tickets. ARE YOU COMING OR WHAT, MoRcHeEbA?

[AlphaBean]

LOL

http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/4913849.html
The Brock Watch just isn't the same without Sable.

A day after stopping by practice to visit her boyfriend, Sable, whose real name is Rena Mero, was nowhere to be seen Thursday. She probably couldn't make it because of her busy schedule. Plus, those two-a-days take quite a toll on your body.

Without Sable in attendance, did Brock Lesnar's teammates get a chance to administer some old-fashioned rookie hazing?

Heck, no. After all, Lesnar isn't your typical NFL rookie.

"It's kind of hard to haze him," Vikings safety Willie Offord said. "He's a little tough. I don't think nobody is going to give him any problem about being a rookie."

Said Marcus Robinson: "With Brock, you can't make him do nothing."

Quarterback Matt Kegel already has had to sing the Washington State fight song in a team meeting, but he figures Lesnar is safe.

"They don't mess with Brock," Kegel said. "He would body-slam them."

[VonErich Lives]

pussies... he's a rookie, they out number him... that and stuff like singing songs is all in good fun and he should just do it.

The Pats used to give players Mowhawks and other funny hair cuts, hasn't happened since Bilcheck's been around.

[AlphaBean]

Hahaha

They shaved SOD into the side of Onterrio Smith's head last year.