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Old 07-27-2004, 07:36 PM   #1
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Brock Lesnar signs with the Vikings
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The Vikings are have announced the signing of former World Wrestling Entertainment personality Brock Lesnar.

The Vikings signed World Wrestling Entertainment personality turned defensive lineman Brock Lesnar.

Lesnar worked out for the Vikings earlier this spring, but his workout left team officials unimpressed. Head coach Mike Tice said a motorcycle accident before that workout limited Lesnar's effectiveness.

His second workout with the team went better today, and the Vikings signed him. Lesnar is believed to have signed off on a waiver on the contract if his groin injury resurfaces.

Lesnar would be tabbed for the practice squad this year and possibly NFL Europe next spring if he continues to show progress in his football techniques.

Ben Nauman was released.

The Vikings also signed guard Tam Hopkins, a second-year player from Ohio State and released defensive tackle Jeff Womble to make room for Hopkins.
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Old 07-27-2004, 07:43 PM   #2
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Old 07-27-2004, 07:49 PM   #3
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Doesn't it say defensive lineman?
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Old 07-27-2004, 07:50 PM   #4
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Old 07-27-2004, 08:05 PM   #5
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He will be stuck going from practice squad to NFL Europe for a couple years. If he sticks with it maybe he will crack the depth chart. But until then I doubt he does anything.
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Old 07-27-2004, 08:22 PM   #6
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Did he play in high school? I assume he didn't in college since he focused on wrestling.

The plays and studying may prove to be too much for him to overcome even w/ his physical gift/size.
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Old 07-27-2004, 11:21 PM   #7
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He would probably make it at defensive end. Good for him for getting a minor contract, hopefully people will continute to doubt him to give him some extra motivation. That groin injury will probably resurface though , allowing him to make run-in at the RAW mainevent the following night.
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Old 07-27-2004, 11:44 PM   #8
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Congrats to Brock. I'm glad he is atleast getting a chance. If he makes the team that would be cool, if not, i wouldn't mind seeing him back in the WWE.
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Old 07-28-2004, 12:11 AM   #9
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1) He wont make the team

or

2) Practice Squad

He will not suit up for an actual game this year.
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1) He wont make the team

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2) Practice Squad

He will not suit up for an actual game this year.
I bet you if the Iggles signed him, he would start, be their star DE and have 25 sacks.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:22 PM   #11
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I bet you if the Iggles signed him, he would start, be their star DE and have 25 sacks.
Plus they would be guaranteed to win the Super Bowl.
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Old 07-28-2004, 11:47 PM   #12
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Plus they would be guaranteed to win the Super Bowl.


They already are.

Their track record speaks for itself.
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Old 07-28-2004, 11:50 PM   #13
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1) He wont make the team

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Even HE knows that. You're not saying anything new. He has to learn the position before he can play in the NFL. He will be the first person to tell you that he's a long way's off from playing.

The thing about it is, though, that he can take two years preparing, have up to 5 good years in the NFL, and still go back to the WWE for a 10 year career AT LEAST.

That's why football should come first -- Ric Flair is like 60, but in the NFL, 30 is the cut-off, and anything over that is "over the hill."
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Old 07-28-2004, 03:56 AM   #14
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I highly doubt he makes it. There is plenty of guys around his size in the NFL with better football IQs then him who haven't made it
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:50 AM   #15
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....

Bean is now gonna testify that this places the vikes as the perennial NFC champs.
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Old 07-28-2004, 11:52 PM   #16
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Bean is now gonna testify that this places the vikes as the perennial NFC champs.
I think the Vikings' salary cap management SHOULD place them as the perennial NFC champs, since the Packers will be a 4-win team without Favre, and the Vikings have the tools to win without Culpepper.

I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying it should be true.

Vikings always find a way to prove me wrong. :dunno:
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:31 PM   #17
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Media circus. I bet you anything that Red McCombs had a say in signing Brock. I can almost guarantee that despite being on the practice squad, there will be a Lesnar #9(whatever) jersey.

BTW, he's listed at DT. Probably the fastest DT in the history of the world. And I think he can contribute at DT, because there is less technique involved in collapsing the pocket.

And this year, he'd do in a pinch just running down on kickoffs at the VERY least.
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Media circus. I bet you anything that Red McCombs had a say in signing Brock. I can almost guarantee that despite being on the practice squad, there will be a Lesnar #9(whatever) jersey.

BTW, he's listed at DT. Probably the fastest DT in the history of the world. And I think he can contribute at DT, because there is less technique involved in collapsing the pocket.

And this year, he'd do in a pinch just running down on kickoffs at the VERY least.

Lol, no kidding. I would put him on the special teams for starters, he'd be like one of the first ones to make the tackle. He can be the Billy Bates of the Vikings.
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My favorite players are the nutjobs on special teams.

Chris Walsh was a short, slow white wide receiver, but he was our special teams ace, and I'll be damned if he wasn't the craziest player I've ever seen.

In the late 90s, Walsh caught a pass in triple coverage, got hit so hard he was knocked unconscious, breaking his jaw.

He held onto the ball.



I wish the Vikings would have kept him around He got too slow and injury-prone for special teams though.

Moe Williams was a stud on special teams as well. Now he's only the BEST HB IN THE LEAGUE.
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Moe Williams was a stud on special teams as well. Now he's only the BEST HB IN THE LEAGUE.
Moe Williams? Best HB in the league?

He's not even the best HB in his division...

Really, stop hanging out w/ Rickey Williams, clearly he's giving you the cheap stuff to smoke...
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Media circus. I bet you anything that Red McCombs had a say in signing Brock. I can almost guarantee that despite being on the practice squad, there will be a Lesnar #9(whatever) jersey.

BTW, he's listed at DT. Probably the fastest DT in the history of the world. And I think he can contribute at DT, because there is less technique involved in collapsing the pocket.

And this year, he'd do in a pinch just running down on kickoffs at the VERY least.
No way, there is A LOT of technique in collapsing the pocket. You might be able to bull rush a guy maybe 1 or 2 times in game but if an OL knows thats ALL you can do you aren't going to be able to do anything. If he is a quick learner he might be able to pick up quick, but DLineman rushing techniques are all about hand and foot speed.

And he runs a 5.75 40 yard dash, I dunno, I would have to look at some Defensive lineman and see how that stands up. I am sure its pretty good, but if you compaire to defensive ends as well as lineman he might not be as good.
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He said he weighed in at 283 lbs, ran a 4.65 40, had a vertical jump of 35 inches, a standing long jump of 10 feet, and was able to bench 225 lbs at 30 reps.

According to him these are standard tests that NFL teams do and he said that Brock expects to do a lot better at the end of his 6 week training period since he hasn't been working out much lately.

That's off some website, quoting his workout stats.

I mean holy fuck. 35 inches? Holy fuck. Better than some CBs. 30 reps? Holy fuck. Stronger than some(few) linemen. 4.65? Shit, man. You can't have it both ways.

And these stats are after he had taken it easy on working out due to his injuries... and 4.65 with an injured groin?

I wouldn't even be walking if I tore my groin.

But you're right, it takes technique... unless you're Kris Jenkins. But I'd just figure, unless you're, like, a speed rusher, it's harder to play end, because you have a lot more space to account for: Your own, and the field on your outside, on an off-tackle run or whatever.

But I know all about DT technique, having watched Kevin Williams come on strong at the end of the season.
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lol now every 25-30 year old who's is shape will be calling NFL teams begging for a tryout.
 
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lol now every 25-30 year old who's is shape will be calling NFL teams begging for a tryout.
Brock Lesnar is merely "in shape?"

Check out his workout numbers. They're unheard of for someone of his size. And the kicker is, he had several injuries at the time.
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Bull does not have that much rep yet (10+)
Granted he is in great physical shape and yes he was young for the WWE, but he is starting really late in the NFL. It is possible for him to become a great player he just needs some skill. If he gets technique down he can be unstoppable. I read somewhere that he ran a 4.6 40? For someone who is what 6'5 295lbs, that is amazing. I think he will do alright if he can just learn things.
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I didnt realize he ran a 4.65 40...that is pretty impressive. Vert of 35 is impressive.

I am not down on the guy at all here, I hope he does make it. Would be pretty cool, but I am being realistic here. A lot of guys shine on the combine tests and then never really pan out. It will be intresting to see though
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Yeah I found a pretty hot discussion about this here http://www.iwrestling.com/2004/04/lesnar_turns_do.html

Someone mentions that Kearse at 260 runs a 4.6 40, and he's a) small and b) "The Freak," so I think having that vertical, being that strong, and being BIGGER than Kearse, gives Brock an advantage.

Imagine if he had chosen football when being recruited. Oh my God, he could possibly have achieved Ray Lewis proportions of awesome.
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Vikings defensive tackles Chris Hovan, left, and former pro wrestler Brock Lesnar visit on the first day of training camp in Mankato, Minn.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)




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Vikings hopeful Brock Lesnar (center) leads the way as he, top draft pick Darrion Scott (left) and Chris Hovan ride bicycles back to the training camp dorm. Lesnar, a former pro wrestler, is giving football a try despite not having played football in college.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)
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Old 08-01-2004, 07:54 PM   #33
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Pics from training camp.



Seeing double
Vikings defensive tackles Chris Hovan, left, and former pro wrestler Brock Lesnar visit on the first day of training camp in Mankato, Minn.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)




Bike brigade
Vikings hopeful Brock Lesnar (center) leads the way as he, top draft pick Darrion Scott (left) and Chris Hovan ride bicycles back to the training camp dorm. Lesnar, a former pro wrestler, is giving football a try despite not having played football in college.
(Jim Mone/Associated Press)
HOLY SHIT look at the cannons on HOvan.

He lost like 10 pounds in the offseason, but his arms are bigger than other.

I'm scared.
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Old 08-01-2004, 03:41 PM   #34
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Vikings look great on paper but really they are an a little above average team.
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Best offense in the league, on paper and in practice.

Solid, improved defense on paper, we'll see if Cottrell can do anything with it.

Vastly improved special teams, just because we have Darren Bennett who is awesome. Lost Eddie Johnson, but he cost us the Giants game, and according to wwf fan, that's what started the tailspin .

Of course, we have no dime back now . Oh well.
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Nah, see, he stuck with his gameplan and didn't change it, saying it was the players, not the coaches, who were at fault.

When opposing defenses knew to line up several steps off tackle, because Mike Rosenthal couldn't stop the rush, Tice didn't give Rosenthal help, not against Michael Strahan, not against Leonard Little... had he put a TE there, or ran a few plays in the gap to keep the line honest, then Rosenthal would have been better off.

To blame Rosenthal for not blocking a speed rusher who is like five yards to your right? Bullshit.

And then in the Giants game, the Giants run screen pass after screen pass, short dump pass, everything is under 10 yards, forcing our players to make the tackle rather than play the ball.

Do we try to throw them off their route? Do we try a shallow zone to disrupt the short pass? No. We stick to our gameplan of playing center field and hoping for an overthrow. Bullshit. That was O'Leary's fault. He didn't adapt. He stuck to his gameplan and hoped for the best. It wasn't the players who were choosing the plays. Could they tackle? Not really. But they had been placed by the Giants in a position where they had to tackle, because they couldn't play the ball. It's up to the coaches to fix that. To mask the deficiencies of their players.

And then Tice takes it to the media that it's not his or his coaches' fault.

But on the plus side, the Vikings have a legitimate #2 receiver, and Bennett is a bigger threat out of the backfield, so defenses won't have as much time to get to the QB. Hopefully.

But seriously. Every week I saw in the paper that Tice refused to change his gameplan one bit. While I respect that in principle, it's not going to win football games. When teams figure out what you do and counteract it, it's up to YOU as a coach to keep them guessing.

It's the Dennis Green approach to football... be boring, but be consistent. Don't make waves, and pray that your whole team will play 100% all of the time. I hate it.

But what I hate most of all is when Tice went to the media and talked shit about his players, when a lot of them were injured, and forced to do more than they should, i.e. the offensive line giving Pep 20 seconds to throw the ball. Even if the players are at fault, you deal with that in the team meetings. If you're dealing with that in the press, that means you're afraid of what people think of you, and are using scapegoats. As a coach, you can't admit responsibility because it's YOUR ass on the job. Who cares whose fault it is? Even if it's never your fault, and your team can't win, you're still getting fired.

Tice is too afraid of losing his job that he's not willing to let it all hang out. You have to have balls. Shanahan stone-face lied about Plummer's injury. You have players like Belicheck, Billick, Gruden, players you know have huge, hairy balls. That sort of confidence spills over onto your players.

Tice doesn't have it. His schtick is that he's a "student of the game." that means he's learning with the team.

If that's the case, he's pretty much consigned himself to the fact that this will be his first coaching job, but he will be fired regardless. But that will open him up for a nice cushy college football head coach job he'll be better suited for.

We need a guy who's ready to win now, who knows what he wants, and knows what to do. We can't have a coach who makes mistakes and either blames his players, or says "Oh well, chalk it up to learning experience."

And when a player has half a dozen defensive players with alcohol-related criminal offenses IN THE LAST YEAR, then no matter how hard you try to pull off the "I'm a student of Parcells and Gibbs," shit, you just aren't the same. You don't command the respect of your players if they break rules and play nevertheless.

Players weren't this reckless even under Denny Green. I mean sure Warren Moon beat his wife, but that's normal. The Vikings can't have "one of the guys" as their head coach. They need a head coach as their head coach.
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