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Old 09-06-2022, 11:18 PM   #601
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Also, and this comes from multiple sources but is still unsubstantiated until further confirmed, I had heard what had really happened that started all this stuff was that Colt smashed AJ. Kenny filmed it while The Bucks jerked off on Phils couch. Meltzer rated the smoosh 4.5 stars. Again take this with a grain of salt until confirmed.
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The only smart thing to do here where everyone benefits is if all the talent involved swallows their pride and gets along well enough to turn this apparent alleged shit show of a shoot into a work.
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Old 09-06-2022, 11:28 PM   #603
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Also, and this comes from multiple sources but is still unsubstantiated until further confirmed, I had heard what had really happened that started all this stuff was that Colt smashed AJ. Kenny filmed it while The Bucks jerked off on Phils couch. Meltzer rated the smoosh 4.5 stars. Again take this with a grain of salt until confirmed.
“Allegedly”.
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Old 09-06-2022, 11:33 PM   #604
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The only smart thing to do here where everyone benefits is if all the talent involved swallows their pride and gets along well enough to turn this apparent alleged shit show of a shoot into a work.
Punk and FTR v Bucks and Omega would be pretty fun to main event grand slam dynamite. MJF should win the title at the next ppv and draw the program out. I’d love for him to come out and say outright he’s cashing his chip in at full gear.
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Lot of good post-All Out promos. My favorite bit is Jay Lethal having been powerbombed so many times that he tried to cut a promo about the match that had already come and gone and he had lost for his team.
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Damn. XL Eddie Kingston guy who saved Hook on the pre-show even sounds like Eddie.
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Damn. XL Eddie Kingston guy who saved Hook on the pre-show even sounds like Eddie.
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Lot of good post-All Out promos. My favorite bit is Jay Lethal having been powerbombed so many times that he tried to cut a promo about the match that had already come and gone and he had lost for his team.
They need to play that Garcia/Yuta video, or a shortened version of it, before their match Wednesday. Great work. Same with the Toni Storm video.
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Old 09-07-2022, 01:41 AM   #610
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Jesus wept... I go away for a few days and come back to this. Punk coming off like a bit of a baby while Colt Cabana catching endless strays when I cant see how hes done anything.

MJF Getting Wardlowed has a certain irony to it.
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No developments. Fucking boring. AEW sucks.
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The best way to start Dynamite at this point would be to have No Way Jose make a surprise debut where all he does is lead a conga line of Burning Man rejects around the ring for 8-10 minutes.
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So I've been listening to Last and Cornette, and apparently Omega cut a promo on the locker room like 10 days ago or some such where he basically told everyone they're shit and he's the best and he wouldn't have hired 8 out of 10 of them.

Then you hear the EVPs stormed into Punk's lockerroom instead of planning a meeting like executives to deal with it, leading to the fight.

Says all you need to know about the EVPs.'
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I'd read in a few places that the roster interpreted Kenny's speech as either tough love or heavy handed depending on who you asked. But that specific 8 out of 10 quote hasn't been cited anywhere other than Cornette/Last so consider the source there.

Does seem like a weird time to do a tough love/"light a fire" speech though when the rest of the meeting was said to be cited around team building.

Enjoy watching the EVPs work but they're performers, not executives. The "jobs for the boys" approach made more sense at the beginning but their job titles are meaningless at this point from all I've heard. Cody was the only one who took his EVP title seriously.
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I'd read in a few places that the roster interpreted Kenny's speech as either tough love or heavy handed depending on who you asked. But that specific 8 out of 10 quote hasn't been cited anywhere other than Cornette/Last so consider the source there.

Does seem like a weird time to do a tough love/"light a fire" speech though when the rest of the meeting was said to be cited around team building.

Enjoy watching the EVPs work but they're performers, not executives. The "jobs for the boys" approach made more sense at the beginning but their job titles are meaningless at this point from all I've heard.
I trust Last. Honestly, they've been on top of a lot of the AEW drama from the beginning as ridiculous as Cornette can be.

And yeah, these guys shouldn't have this much power and Omega is a twat.
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I don't think any of the 4 EVPs actually wanted to do backstage stuff, they wanted to perform and focus on being on-screen talents. That's their passion. But to get AEW off the ground they felt they all needed to pitch in behind the scenes.

The difference between them is Cody was the only one who actually continued to fulfill his backstage job duties once the company got on TV and started having some success. Because even if he realized it wasn't what he wanted to be doing, it was still the job he signed up for. The other EVPs didn't go to meetings or any of that.

Never sounded like there was a bitter fallout between the parties, more of a quiet distancing and it's easy to see why. I'd distance myself too if I was the only one of the 4 focused on running the company while the other 3 just piss about and do their own thing.

Again, it's fine that all of these guys prefer to perform. Then take the EVP titles away. AEW has outgrown the need to have "the boys" in those positions. Put that title on a full-time staffer.
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Again, it's fine that all of these guys prefer to perform. Then take the EVP titles away. AEW has outgrown the need to have "the boys" in those positions. Put that title on a full-time staffer.
Well that's probably gonna happen now.

Problem with the EVPs is that if you aren't going to take it seriously, the stink is still on you through everything you do.

Bucks and Omega haven't booked themselves as unbeatable--but they don't do anybody any favours either. The people who've worked with the Bucks can say "we had a match the crowd really liked," no doubt. But they never end up better for it. All while the Bucks remain heavily featured acting like two dorks that don't move the meter.

Omega is...I dunno. I don't mind him. I love listening to Cornette so I try not to let his commentary on Mr. Olivier blind me too much. I think he can wrestle pretty damned well but he vastly overrates himself and his promos are bush league as is his general presentation. He has cool outfits and his fans seem to appreciate some of his pageantry and I can't help but think some of that is earned. But he's a niche-within-a-niche and needs to evolve to the next stage.

And honestly, I know he put Hangman over--but where did that get Hangman? It wasn't like the dude suddenly had all this credibility because he beat Kenny. So, basically, once again, Kenny has done nothing to make anybody--much like the Bucks. And I'd argue, despite his run in the promotion thus far being decent enough with some good matches, it's been quite underwhelming compared to all the hype surrounding him in New Japan.

So while these guys were obviously instrumental in getting things up and running, they aren't leaders. They're still performers themselves who--as much as they think they're the height of pro wrestling--actually haven't found themselves. At least not on North American soil.

BTW I'm not even arguing with you Vito. Just going on a Noid rant.
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Per SI...Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Brandon Cutler, Michael Nakazawa, Pat Buck, and Christopher Daniels have been suspended for physical confrontation.

No word yet on CM Punk or Ace Steel but the expectation is that they will both be gone.
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Cutler, Nakazawa, Buck, and Daniels were all said to just be trying to break up the fight so it's kinda weird to see them get suspended but I also get it if you want zero tolerance for any sort of physical involvement.

Guess the whole pull-apart brawl doesn't work in real life
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Damn at Cutler/Pat Buck/Nakazawa getting suspended for trying to break things up
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Old 09-07-2022, 09:42 AM   #624
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If that's all true, AEW has adopted the NBA's "Don't leave the bench" rule.
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Old 09-07-2022, 09:47 AM   #625
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I was very sunshine and rainbows about AEW when it started. Rooted for Tony Khan to get it right. Super exciting stuff.

But this guy clearly doesn't have a clue about dealing with a wrestling locker room. It should be obvious due to the constant tumult in all his sports team locker rooms.
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Old 09-07-2022, 09:49 AM   #626
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Damn at Cutler/Pat Buck/Nakazawa getting suspended for trying to break things up
Putting my HR cap back on, it's not unusual during an investigation to suspend everybody involved while the investigation is ongoing. It's likely that the guys just breaking up the fight are on paid suspension vs. unpaid for the people actually fighting.
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Old 09-07-2022, 09:57 AM   #627
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:12 AM   #628
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I read somewhere that Tonys meeting with Phil last night was to discuss how they will be handling his exit from the company.

Punk/Steel not being on the list of suspended talent tells me all I need to know though really.
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:13 AM   #629
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Yeah I'd assume Punk is toast.
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But Punk did nothing wrong. How else was he to respond to a vicious 3 on 1 assault?
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:19 AM   #631
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:24 AM   #632
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But Punk did nothing wrong. How else was he to respond to a vicious 3 on 1 assault?
In another of the many ways he has tried to emulate Bret Shart, it turns out that Punk screwed Punk.
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If SRS claims it wasn't the Bucks, it doesn't mean it wasn't Cutler or Nakazawa, aka their stooges.

Also, SRS can't even figure out the difference between his main and sock accounts, or his main page and his DMs, as you do.
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:43 AM   #636
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If SRS claims it wasn't the Bucks, it doesn't mean it wasn't Cutler or Nakazawa, aka their stooges.

Also, SRS can't even figure out the difference between his main and sock accounts, or his main page and his DMs, as you do.
Yeah like just because it wasn't directly from the EVPs doesn't mean it's not a result of them sending out whispers. And obviously Dave is taking up for his best pals the Bucks and Omega.
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CM Punk decreed they said it so it must be true.
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Well at least you've finally admitted it, Seph
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Uncle Dave is basically an informal member of The Elite at this point anyway.
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CM Punk has problems with people everywhere he goes. It's never his fault though. He's always just an innocent victim who trouble seems to follow. Maybe he's been cursed by Danhausen all this time because there is no way that the guy who is always at the center of drama is at fault. Nope, no way.
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