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Old 12-07-2007, 09:50 AM   #1
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I actually enjoyed that promo of Jericho. It made sense, and was far more entertaining than anything I had seen from John Cena.

But no, I do not think that Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy would be better at Armageddon. Quite frankly, I could not see myself ever buying a PPV with that as the main event. I think that Chris Jericho needs to be protected here, but off his return, this match makes a lot of sense. If he were working on the undercard, he'd just be losing steam, and then the WWE would end up never putting him in the main event.

I will say, however, that with the Royal Rumble looming, the WWE could have had Jericho beat Umaga, or something, qualify for the Rumble, and then win it to get his title shot. Jericho is just a much more credible choice than Jeff Hardy. Shawn Michaels getting another match against Orton was probably the best choice, but that program was doing nothing for me, either.
You have no long term vision. Also, can you ever respond with less than a paragraph?
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:56 AM   #2
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You have no long term vision. Also, can you ever respond with less than a paragraph?
Actually, I do have long term vision. I have a plan that the WWE could follow until Summerslam next year. I just don't choose to see your long term vision. Long term vision does not mean a crappy short term vision, either. Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy does not scream main event. You'd realistically have to put it on before the World Heavyweight Title Match, which may not be a bad idea. Orton vs. Michaels was the way to go, in my opinion, with Jericho helping Michaels win the Title, to continue his feud with Orton (which can blow off between then and WrestleMania), and HBK can hold the WWE Title until WrestleMania, where Jericho dethrones him.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:00 AM   #3
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Actually, I do have long term vision. I have a plan that the WWE could follow until Summerslam next year. I just don't choose to see your long term vision. Long term vision does not mean a crappy short term vision, either. Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy does not scream main event. You'd realistically have to put it on before the World Heavyweight Title Match, which may not be a bad idea. Orton vs. Michaels was the way to go, in my opinion, with Jericho helping Michaels win the Title, to continue his feud with Orton (which can blow off between then and WrestleMania), and HBK can hold the WWE Title until WrestleMania, where Jericho dethrones him.
I like the idea of HBK as champion, but not the idea that anyone dethornes him. Also, Hardy is the most over guy on Raw, how can't you see him maineventing?
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:06 AM   #4
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I like the idea of HBK as champion, but not the idea that anyone dethornes him. Also, Hardy is the most over guy on Raw, how can't you see him maineventing?
Jeff Hardy is probably more like fourth most over guy on RAW, isn't he? Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels and Triple H would all be above him. Anyway, Hardy is still the same as he was years ago. Sure, he's improved, but not so much that I want to see him headline a PPV. Not before Matt, who is just as over, and the much better wrestler, does.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:11 AM   #5
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Jeff Hardy is probably more like fourth most over guy on RAW, isn't he? Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels and Triple H would all be above him. Anyway, Hardy is still the same as he was years ago. Sure, he's improved, but not so much that I want to see him headline a PPV. Not before Matt, who is just as over, and the much better wrestler, does.
Jericho isn't over. I hear pops for Hardy. I hear crickets for Jericho.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:16 AM   #6
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Jericho isn't over. I hear pops for Hardy. I hear crickets for Jericho.
That may be true. Jericho has more credibility, though, which does help with fan support. Jericho is just on a different plateau to Jeff Hardy right now. I mean, Jeff Hardy is over for an upper mid-carder, but he doesn't get pops that are Stone Cold big. He gets pops that are Jeff Hardy big.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:20 AM   #7
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That may be true. Jericho has more credibility, though, which does help with fan support. Jericho is just on a different plateau to Jeff Hardy right now. I mean, Jeff Hardy is over for an upper mid-carder, but he doesn't get pops that are Stone Cold big. He gets pops that are Jeff Hardy big.
No one gets stone cold pops. And right now Jericho is on a smaller crappier plateau than Hardy. I'm not trying to bash Jericho. I'm just saying I've stuck with one arguement, and you keep trying to find one legit reason that Jericho is move over than Jeff right now, and there isn't a reason because Jeff is in a better place with the fans the Jericho. I'm not saying this is entirely Jericho's fault, even if Jericho had been flawless since his return, the return itself was fucked up by WWE.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:40 AM   #8
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That may be true. Jericho has more credibility, though, which does help with fan support. Jericho is just on a different plateau to Jeff Hardy right now. I mean, Jeff Hardy is over for an upper mid-carder, but he doesn't get pops that are Stone Cold big. He gets pops that are Jeff Hardy big.
Fan support's kinda moot when nobody's supporting you.

Also, nobody gets stone cold pops, period. Jeff Hardy big is still big. And it's just about the biggest thing they have, sad as it is to say.
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I like the idea of HBK as champion, but not the idea that anyone dethornes him. Also, Hardy is the most over guy on Raw, how can't you see him maineventing?
I'm also a bit undecided on Jeff.

Yes - he's the most over guy on RAW right now, but do the fans really see him as a credible main-eventer? (or would they seem him as a credible main-event guy?). Would people REALLY be interested in seeing Jeff Hardy main-event Wrestlemania?

I'd like to think yes, but I'm just not sure. A few years ago for instance, the fans got behind Rey Mysterio, but it just didn't pan out. A large part of this reason IMO, is because the fans simply didn't see Mysterio as a credible main-event guy. It's fun getting behind the underdog, but how long can it last? Keep in mind, I haven't watched WWE programming in almost 3 months (I can't here in Seoul....and they're also a month behind in storylines), and so I can't "guage" where Hardy is at, but I just don't know.

I guess a large part of Jeff Hardy's credibility will be established (or destroyed) in his up-coming match with Triple H.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:11 AM   #10
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I'm also a bit undecided on Jeff.

Yes - he's the most over guy on RAW right now, but do the fans really see him as a credible main-eventer? (or would they seem him as a credible main-event guy?). Would people REALLY be interested in seeing Jeff Hardy main-event Wrestlemania?

I'd like to think yes, but I'm just not sure. A few years ago for instance, the fans got behind Rey Mysterio, but it just didn't pan out. A large part of this reason IMO, is because the fans simply didn't see Mysterio as a credible main-event guy. It's fun getting behind the underdog, but how long can it last? Keep in mind, I haven't watched WWE programming in almost 3 months (I can't here in Seoul....and they're also a month behind in storylines), and so I can't "guage" where Hardy is at, but I just don't know.

I guess a large part of Jeff Hardy's credibility will be established (or destroyed) in his up-coming match with Triple H.
Exactly. Jeff Hardy is still a mid-carder, technically speaking. The guy has not evolved (apart from not relying on falling from high places as much), but there is no way people would really buy him headlining a WrestleMania. Not this year, anyway.

Jeff's in a good place right now, but he needs to stay there for a while. A feud with Triple H will help him.
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A feud with Triple H will help him.
Definitely. If Triple H does his part and REALLY makes Jeff Hardy look solid/viable, then I DO think that there's a CHANCE (albeit, still a small one) that Jeff could look like a credible main-event come Wrestlemania.

Hopefully - Jeff/Triple H can have a feud which would be similar to Jericho/Rock in late 2001 (or Angle/Austin from mid 2001). Jeff and Triple H, between now and Royal Rumble, have 2 or 3 matches.....all of which are VERY VERY VERY closely contested. Both men get a victory in very very closely contested matches.

Even if Hardy doesn't defeat Triple H, he should still be made to look awesome (i.e. when Benjamin jobbed to HBK a few years ago, he still gained massive credibility due to how close the match was).

So, in summation...

1) If Jeff can be made to look on the same level as Triple H (in not just one, but 2 or 3 different matches)

2) Jeff Hardy defeats some other semi-credible guys cleanly (i.e. Umaga, Khali, Kennedy, etc.)

3) Jeff wins the Royal Rumble

Then yes - perhaps Jeff can look credible as a headliner for Mania'.

I would also consider giving Jeff some newer music (i.e. similar to Cena and Batista before mania' in year's past).
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