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Old 07-28-2009, 09:33 PM   #1481
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Buehrle with the new consecutive perfect streak. Wow.
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:46 PM   #1482
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Perfect through 7 but Buerhle just gave up a hit. To bad that would have been amazing if he could have done that again.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:35 PM   #1484
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More bells and whistles are going off in Theo Epstein's office.

Red Sox trade Mark Kotsay and cash to the White Sox for Brian Anderson.
Don't really need Kotsay after picking up LaRoche and they can move Anderson to Pawtucket.

Fucking Papelbon just blew the save though, granted it with some errors but still. He has really been off this year - I think that's why Bard wouldn't be included in any trades this year. If Papelbon continues to lack the dominance needed I think in a year or two Bard could end up being the closer.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:40 PM   #1485
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Stima are you officially a Bard-on?
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Stima are you officially a Bard-on?
Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

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Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

Kid Rock in the house at Fenway tonight, lol
To be fair to Papelbon though, this is the first time he's blown a 3 run lead in the 9th EVER. He has been kinda shaky this year but for the most part he's still getting the job done. I don't want to sound like Boston sports talk caller who is probably calling for Papelbon's head right now. I'm just saying I could maybe see Bard taking over if the Red Sox don't meet Papelbon's contract demands in the future (so far they haven't)
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Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

Kid Rock in the house at Fenway tonight, lol

I don't think him making the all-star team is of any real relavance. Don't see why it would be since it's voted on by fans, he plays in a huge market, and he's a colorful character.

Anyways, he's been way off. It's been noticable for a while (not just overracting to tonight).
I think he might just be the type of closer that dominates for a while, but hitters begin to figure him out. It really is quite common. The shelf-life for a dominant closer is very short, unless you're a legend who can be lights out for more than a few years.

Been jokingly calling him Crapelbon for a few months now. Even on the nights he gets the save, he usually gives up some hits and/or walks the bases loaded. Then he fights back and gets the outs, or he doesn't. Either way I don't think his saves column tells the whole story. They're definitely catching up to him.


He's still an effective closer compared to most, so I'm not gonna completely throw him under the bus. Just sayin...
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Just gonna throw something out there. I think the future of Papelbon in the ongoing saga of the Red Sox will be pretty interesting either way.

He's the type of guy who I can see really reacting badly to a collapse. Not saying it will happen, but in the event that things started to go south for him, he would probably start spazzing on the fans, media, and team.
Definitely a headcase like Manny, or Jimmy Piersall, but a bit more intense.

If he keeps his position as one of the premiere closers in the game, he will be valuable when his contract comes up. With Bard, and others, his value to the Red Sox might not be what it is to other teams.
Several of his own teamates have even made reference to their belief that Papelbon will go wherever offers him the most money. Period.
Interesting, considering the Yankees could very well be that team, in the market for a new closer when Mariano Rivera hangs it up. He's a beast, but he can't go forever.

So Papelbon goes insane in Boston, or ends up going to the Yankees and fueling the flame of the Sox/Yanks rivalry?
I don't think it's that cut and dry. Other things can happen, but I can really see one of those scenarios happening.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:16 AM   #1493
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Pretty sure only the starting 9 get voted in by the fans, not pitchers. Pitchers are chosen by the manager I think, usually meaning they are pretty deserving (most of the time) and not influenced by market or anything like that. So that's why I brought it up
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Chien-Ming Wang is done for the year. And quite possibly, and sadly, his time with the Yankees.

I really hope they give him one more chance. But the denizens of the Empire gave up on him at the beginning of the season.
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Red Sox offer 3 players including Buckholz for Halladay

Fuck, here comes the cold sweat
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Fuck, here comes the cold sweat
He better not go to Boston...I will fucking lose it.

I really liked Wang in 2006-2007...But since then have cooled off.
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Well. I'm not to afraid. Since Toronto didn't approve of it yet.

Halladay pitches tonight so unless he gets yanked before the game or during the game I am not worried.

Think about this should the Yankees try to trade for him they'd be forced to give up Jackson, Hughes/Joba, etc.

I think this would just be a wake up call for Philly and they'll just say "Fuck it" and give Toronto Drabek etc..

I would be quite pleased if he goes to Philly.

Boston is not going to give up Bard not with Papelbon losing some of his stuff. If Papelbon at some point has to be traded Bard will probably end up being the closer and I don't see Boston trading him.
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Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.
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Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.
No, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that Boston would need to give up something of that level in order to pick up Halladay. We don't need Halladay I was just trying to point out that Boston's offer wouldn't be enough. But, we don't need Downs or Qualls . Get me a reliable fifth starter first.

With Wang done for the season we need someone like Washburn or something to even out the rotation.

Petitte

Joba/Hughes

CC

Burnett

Mitre

I don't think is good enough. We need someone a bit more reliable then Mitre if we want to go all the way.
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Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.
Agreed

We dont need someone to start the game, we need someone to get us tio MO
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No, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that Boston would need to give up something of that level in order to pick up Halladay. We don't need Halladay I was just trying to point out that Boston's offer wouldn't be enough. But, we don't need Downs or Qualls . Get me a reliable fifth starter first.

With Wang done for the season we need someone like Washburn or something to even out the rotation.

Petitte

Joba/Hughes

CC

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Mitre

I don't think is good enough. We need someone a bit more reliable then Mitre if we want to go all the way.
Mitre is a fine number 5 to make the playoffs with, and once we do, he goes to the Pen.

Burnett, CC, Pettite and Joba is a solid 4 man rotation
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Pirates and Mariners pull off a big 7-player deal.

Jack Wilson and Ian Snell go to Seattle for Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Jeff Clement, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock. Pirates are also sending over some cash.
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Good trade for the Mariners to make a run
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Phils land Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco. They deal Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson.
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Crap. Phils were already way ahead in the division...I think getting Lee might seal it. What I wouldn't pay to see them pull a collapse of Mets proportions.

Good thing the wild card is still wide open.
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Mind you Cliff Lee is good, but hes no Roy Halladay.
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wow, huge pickup for Philly.
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Oh god does this mean Halladay signs with the Red Sox? I was so looking forward to Philly taking him.
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Well looks like the Sox are pushing to land Victor Martinez now. So if thats the case I think Halladay is staying put.
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Jack Wilson and Ian Snell go to Seattle for Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Jeff Clement, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock. Pirates are also sending over some season passes for the 2010 season
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i think the pirates front office was also in the trade.
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Wow, just days after Jeff Wilpon said Omar was going to remain the GM...he told one reporter that he's actually "this" close to being out of baseball while holding his thumb and index finger one a half-inch apart.

My guess is that if the Mets make a miracle run and get into the playoffs, he stays...otherwise, they can him and go in another direction.
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Phillies aqcuire Cliff Lee for prospects
Confirmed.
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Old 07-29-2009, 04:07 PM   #1516
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They land Francisco in the trade too, who is a Really hot outfielder and young.
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Old 07-29-2009, 06:31 PM   #1517
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Phils get the reigning Cy Young winner without giving up either of their top 2 prospects. I say it's a damn good deal.
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i think the pirates front office was also in the trade.
If only we could be so lucky...
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:18 PM   #1519
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Wow, the Giants are trading their top pick from last year, Tim Alderson, for Freddy "Dirty" Sanchez.
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Man, now the Pirates have NO drawing power AGAIN!

At least it was fun to go see decent players like Jumpin' Jack and Clubby, but now there's really only the park to go see, and I've been there enough.



I'm sick and fucking tired of "building for the future." How about instead of worrying about the farm system, we try making the PIRATES good.
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