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Old 06-30-2010, 08:25 PM   #121
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fedor was supposed to fight werdum in april. Thats why he didnt fight overeem
We knew that. I was just saying to the average fight fan Werdum was more well known prior to Overeem destroying Rogers, which aside from the pre-arrangment, would make more sense in the first place.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:27 PM   #122
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I'm not saying they don't, I've heard they are paid very well there. But this is someone who is bashing Fedor for not fighting the best, and than fighting someone who isn't even a top 25. I'm just saying don't critisize Fedor for going to Strikeforce for the money, and say Fedor ducks Overeem, when Overeem isn't exactly fighting steller competetion himself.
Who is overeem ducking by going to japan to fight ricco? He has contracts to fight in dream and strikeforce so he cant fight for ufc, and werdum just fought and overeem fought just a month ago, so its not like the time tables match up for them anyway. Theres no other top contenders for him to fight at this moment.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:28 PM   #123
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People weren't calling for Fedor to fight Overeem until they saw him destory Rogers.
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plus people criticizing fedor are saying he ducked the ufc to not fight those guys... not because he was going to get more money with strikeforce
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People weren't calling for Fedor to fight Overeem until they saw him destory Rogers.
No everyone was wondering why he didnt fight overeem to start with instead of rogers.
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Who is overeem ducking by going to japan to fight ricco? He has contracts to fight in dream and strikeforce so he cant fight for ufc, and werdum just fought and overeem fought just a month ago, so its not like the time tables match up for them anyway. Theres no other top contenders for him to fight at this moment.
I'm not saying he's ducking anyone, I am saying that for someone who wants to fight the best he isn't going out of his way to try too. But is all irrelevant as it isn't even true. He could fight Antonio Silva who just won.

Since Overeem has moved to HW, who has he beaten?
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How do you want him to go out of his way? Sit out until Werdum is ready?

And antonio silva? Yea he won but hes fought ricco too, and only beat him by a split decision, so how is overeem fighting either of them a difference?
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And Werdum was in a 69 second fight, he should be able to fight in the next 2 months or so.

Same for Fedor, I can't imagine either's turn around having to be that long.
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I have no problem with fighters taking fights against guys that will pad their record and fatten their wallets if they want to stay active and stay in a good groove for the top competition.
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How do you want him to go out of his way? Sit out until Werdum is ready?

And antonio silva? Yea he won but hes fought ricco too, and only beat him by a split decision, so how is overeem fighting either of them a difference?
I don't think it is, but he's not fighting the best possible oppenant, sound familair? I'm not saying he shouldn't take the fight. But we don't even know what's up with either Fedor or Werdum yet. By the Fedors haters logic atleast Silva is a ranked HW.
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And Werdum was in a 69 second fight, he should be able to fight in the next 2 months or so.

Same for Fedor, I can't imagine either's turn around having to be that long.
Strikeforce has to be ready to put a card together.... something that they seem utterly inept at doing.
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I have no problem with fighters taking fights against guys that will pad their record and fatten their wallets if they want to stay active and stay in a good groove for the top competition.
Those seem to be the only fights in which Overeems takes, when he isn't calling out Fedor. I don't know when Overeems contract is up, but I want to see him in the UFC as much as Fedor.
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Strikeforce has to be ready to put a card together.... something that they seem utterly inept at doing.
You are more than corrent there my friend.
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Not to mention they were immediately talking about a fedor/werdum rematch right after the fight
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Those seem to be the only fights in which Overeems takes, when he isn't calling out Fedor. I don't know when Overeems contract is up, but I want to see him in the UFC as much as Fedor.
well to be fair thats because japan doesnt drug test...
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Not to mention they were immediately talking about a fedor/werdum rematch right after the fight
Yeah, but if Coker had any balls he'd make Werdum fight Overeem and give Fedor the winner while we get to see Fedor/Silva or some bullshit.
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well to be fair thats because japan doesnt drug test...
Japan doesn't do anything in terms of protecting their fighters. Do they even have a athletic commision over there yet?
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Im pretty sure fedors management will only be interested in werdum
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Japan doesn't do anything in terms of protecting their fighters. Do they even have a athletic commision over there yet?
not really
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Japan is crazy.
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Also, how fucked up is it when people win, they don't call out your champ, but a chubby little Russian.
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Well thats why its odd he didnt fight overeem right away, but he needed time to clean his system i guess
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You think Overeem is juicing, cause I look at him in his pride days, and than now, and ask how could he not be? People dont just double in size at 28 years old, it just doesn't work that way. Not the way he got bigger.
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He hasn't failed a test though, but I don't beleive they test for HGH do they?
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umm they can in a way but not directly i dont think. but its not as simple as a piss test.
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if they did an olympic test he might be fucked but who knows.
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I think you can only catch HGH in a blood test.
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Yea maybe im not sure... you might only catch the other drugs that you have to take to balance the effects, like an elevated estrogen or something and it would beg the question as to why its there, so a lot of commissions ban the substances like that. Im sure ECG will come in here and clarify if he knows.
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I know you can test for it somehow because the CFL is going to start testing for it soon.
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LOL, a CFL reference. Doug Flutie had to play somewhere
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overeem vs rua is on spike right now.... if you want to see they greatness allistair is capable of, this is the fight to watch.... he of course gasses out in the first and loses tho
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Old 06-30-2010, 09:35 PM   #152
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Yeah I just watched that the other day. I think Rua would have won anyway, the man has a ridiculous chin, and Overeem would have tired himself out punching eventually and got banged out or submitted probably.
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Old 06-30-2010, 09:41 PM   #153
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yea thats what happened
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I was amazed at how Rua took his shots, not that he could take them, but how it almost didnt phase him.
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Mayweather wanted Pacqiao to do a blood test and they were talking about HGH so you guys are probably in the right direction.
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"standard" drug tests check for traces of substances. Olympic testing checks testosterone levels in blood samples. You've gotta pee and bleed during Olympic testing. They run the full spectrum, checking for banned substances, but the extra part of checking testosterone levels are the tell tale sign of HGH uses. Now I'm not sure of the particulars, but regular people have a 4:1 level, anything over 8:1 indicates added, unnatural hormones in your system, and EPIC FAILS
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overeem vs rua is on spike right now.... if you want to see they greatness allistair is capable of, this is the fight to watch.... he of course gasses out in the first and loses tho
That's why I think Ovareem is better than his rank suggests. He has incredible skills, but at light heavy he was just cutting far too much weight. Like Cory Hill or Anthony Johnson. Dude made it to the semis in the K-1 tourny and would regularly be winning fights at LH up until he gassed. Now that he's bigger (closer to his natural body size), he shouldn't gas so much. Once he gets around to defending against Fedor (or Werdum) we should see some real fireworks.
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Yea thats a good point with the weight cut. Hes going to be scary at the Hwt division for the years to come.
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"standard" drug tests check for traces of substances. Olympic testing checks testosterone levels in blood samples. You've gotta pee and bleed during Olympic testing. They run the full spectrum, checking for banned substances, but the extra part of checking testosterone levels are the tell tale sign of HGH uses. Now I'm not sure of the particulars, but regular people have a 4:1 level, anything over 8:1 indicates added, unnatural hormones in your system, and EPIC FAILS
Testosterone levels are checked for anabolic steroid use, it is not a sign of HGH use. HGH is not a steroid hormone, it is a polypeptide. It is measured directly using antibody tests in plasma/serum.

I think to catch an athlete doping on it, repeated, unannounced tests must be done during training to record a persistently elevated level. Further, supposedly tests now can detect artificial HGH as opposed to endogenous. Medical testing for acromegaly or pituitary gland tumours also use co-testing with Insulin-like growth factor (IGF), since levels of this increase in response to HGH.

Anyway, if someone has gained an enormous amount of muscle in a short period of time, I'd be thinking steroid use. HGH seems unlikely, the evidence suggests HGH doesn't signficantly increase muscle bulk/strength. One of the key measures of bullshit in the fitness supplement industry is the wild claims surrounding HGH. As with many of these things, HGH injections almost certainly help people who are deficient, but in normal individuals it either does nothing or may cause problems. People with naturally elevated HGH (acromegaly) tend to have many health problems.
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