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Old 09-06-2010, 12:05 AM   #41
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For the last year or two except for the final months, I don't think anybody on earth supported WCW, hence them dying. Speaking of the last year or two of WCW, that was roughly when Russo took over. And Russo is currently TNA's head writer. You comparing TNA and WCW says everything.

As for the everything in WCW pre-Russo, the fuck ups they made were countered by some absolutely blistering TV happening at the same time. TNA doesn't have that luxury.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:08 AM   #42
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it was declared a no contest because the guys were too beat up to go on. it made sense on the show.
It didn't/wouldn't have made sense on any show.
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For the last year or two except for the final months, I don't think anybody on earth supported WCW, hence them dying. Speaking of the last year or two of WCW, that was roughly when Russo took over. And Russo is currently TNA's head writer. You comparing TNA and WCW says everything.

As for the everything in WCW pre-Russo, the fuck ups they made were countered by some absolutely blistering TV happening at the same time. TNA doesn't have that luxury.
Do we need to open up the crazy fuck ups WCW had in the 90's alone? Or maybe when they were at their hottest? Two come to mind right off the back:

Sting vs Hulk Hogan: Starrcade 1997
Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan Halloween Havoc

...And that was BEFORE Vince Russo.
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For the last year or two except for the final months, I don't think anybody on earth supported WCW, hence them dying. Speaking of the last year or two of WCW, that was roughly when Russo took over. And Russo is currently TNA's head writer. You comparing TNA and WCW says everything.

As for the everything in WCW pre-Russo, the fuck ups they made were countered by some absolutely blistering TV happening at the same time. TNA doesn't have that luxury.
Great TV!? Every Nitro was the same, opened up with NWO limos, and closed with NWO beat downs, how was that "blistering"
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Another fuck up, that during their entire run, the only non-established star that they attempted to build was Bill Goldberg, from 1995 - 2002, one damn new superstar was made by WCW. Insane, talk about taking advantage of weekly programming.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:13 AM   #46
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It didn't/wouldn't have made sense on any show.
how did it not make sense?
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The nWo for the first few months (and at certain points afterwards). Bill Goldberg. Monday Night Jericho. The slow build towards Starrcade 97/Sting in 1997 in general. The cruiserweights. DDP's push. They had a lot of excellent TV. If you thought that was bad but are enjoying TNA so much then I think the issue is more of you defending TNA at every opportunity instead of looking at it logically and therefore this is going to go nowhere.
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how did it not make sense?
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how did it not make sense?
Because 5 minutes before, a quite stressed looking Eric Bischoff claimed there HAD to be a winner. How are you not getting this?

From a logic point of view, why wasn't Jeff declared winner? Why wasn't there some variety of referee decision as to who had won? Judges maybe? Besides, it's wrestling. When was a match ever stopped for 'cuts'? It was nothing more than a really bad storyline device. As somebody else mentioned, they are their own worst enemy.
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The nWo for the first few months (and at certain points afterwards). Bill Goldberg. Monday Night Jericho. The slow build towards Starrcade 97/Sting in 1997 in general. The cruiserweights. DDP's push. They had a lot of excellent TV. If you thought that was bad but are enjoying TNA so much then I think the issue is more of you defending TNA at every opportunity instead of looking at it logically and therefore this is going to go nowhere.
No never said anything about me enjoying TNA or not enjoying TNA. I am just saying, if someone is bashing or disliking TNA because of such and such faults, then we as wrestling fans should of supported WCW the way we did.

I will say this, if you think / believe that WCW TV was that much better then TNA TV then I don't believe you are looking at it logically.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:24 AM   #51
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Because 5 minutes before, a quite stressed looking Eric Bischoff claimed there HAD to be a winner. How are you not getting this?

From a logic point of view, why wasn't Jeff declared winner? Why wasn't there some variety of referee decision as to who had won? Judges maybe? Besides, it's wrestling. When was a match ever stopped for 'cuts'? It was nothing more than a really bad storyline device. As somebody else mentioned, they are their own worst enemy.
did you watch the show? bischoff was distraught about making that decision. he had to end the match because neither guy could seem to go on safely.

why would jeff be declared the winner? what could the referee say to sway a decision one way or another? where are these judges coming from? c'mon man.
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I said WCW had their faults up there ^ I also explained why, despite those faults, the reasons I believe WCW (pre-Russo) was still comfortably a better show. If you're telling me that you think TNA now and WCW's glory days are comparable then there really isn't anything else to discuss.
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I said WCW had their faults up there ^ I also explained why, despite those faults, the reasons I believe WCW (pre-Russo) was still comfortably a better show. If you're telling me that you think TNA now and WCW's glory days are comparable then there really isn't anything else to discuss.
I am not. But still either way there isn't anything else to discuss.
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did you watch the show? bischoff was distraught about making that decision. he had to end the match because neither guy could seem to go on safely.

why would jeff be declared the winner? what could the referee say to sway a decision one way or another? where are these judges coming from? c'mon man.
Why would I comment if I hadn't seen it? If wrestling was 'legit', your 'Bischoff was distraught' point might have some validity. I'm pretty sure Al Snow was upset when the Big Bossman fed him his dog. Maybe I should change my mind and enjoy that angle now as well.
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Oh God someone had to open up a whole thread for this?
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Why would I comment if I hadn't seen it? If wrestling was 'legit', your 'Bischoff was distraught' point might have some validity. But it was still a work last time I checked. I fail to see how you don't 'get' what was wrong with that decision.
CSL is talking from a sports entertainment perspective, and george is talking from a legit perspective, you guys will never see eye to eye, because your both looking at two different things.
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Nah. Tonight's show just added more talking points.
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This was posted before tonights ppv. The PPV added a little bit of fuel!
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Another fuck up, that during their entire run, the only non-established star that they attempted to build was Bill Goldberg, from 1995 - 2002, one damn new superstar was made by WCW. Insane, talk about taking advantage of weekly programming.
Considering WCW died in March 2001, and you added almost 2 years to their existence...I'd say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Nah. Tonight's show just added more talking points.
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Considering WCW died in March 2001, and you added almost 2 years to their existence...I'd say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Why would I comment if I hadn't seen it? If wrestling was 'legit', your 'Bischoff was distraught' point might have some validity. I'm pretty sure Al Snow was upset when the Big Bossman fed him his dog. Maybe I should change my mind and enjoy that angle now as well.
lol i wanna see this from your point of view, i really do.

what is the purpose of watching wrestling if it's not to be entertained? it's not an actual sport. i thought the point was to just to enjoy the show. if you look too far into anything you're gonna find inaccuracies in it.

i don't think that bischoff calling the match after saying there had to be a winner can be compared to a storyline like al snow's. i think what you find wrong about that angle is that it was pretty stupid. what's so stupid about this angle?

god's honest truth, and i know it won't happen, i'd rather see angle, hardy and anderson in a three way for the title. anderson against either one of those guys means absolutely nothing to me, especially after the match hardy and angle had tonight (just because there's no way he'd have a match even close to that with angle). i know it wasn't an hbk wrestlemania caliber match, but considering hardy was in the match i thought it was awesome. but i guess that's off topic.
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Considering WCW died in March 2001, and you added almost 2 years to their existence...I'd say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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You still haven't proven that you know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Considering WCW died in March 2001, and you added almost 2 years to their existence...I'd say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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You still haven't proven that you know what the fuck you are talking about.
LMAO! Why you so mad!? Ok, I'll entertain you for a bit.

You haven't proven that I don't what I am talking about. And since I said until 2002 and did not mention a month, how did I add almost 2 years? Why wouldn't it of been 1 year? When you subtract 2001 from 2002 doesn't it equal 1?
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i think some of you are romanticizing a bit too much about WCW... TNA today vs WCW back then is still a better product. as random as TNA can seem at times, it's nothing compared to the randomness WCW threw at us every week.
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LMAO! Why you so mad!? Ok, I'll entertain you for a bit.

You haven't proven that I don't what I am talking about. And since I said until 2002 and did not mention a month, how did I add almost 2 years? Why wouldn't it of been 1 year? When you subtract 2001 from 2002 doesn't it equal 1?
I'm going under the assumption that you are a total dumbass.
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This was posted before tonights ppv. The PPV added a little bit of fuel!
Ahh, I didn't see when the thread started.

I haven't read all the posts but just in case it hasn't been said...

TNA has a lot of problems, they have inconsistant and sometimes bafflingly stupid booking sometimes

WWE has a lot of problems, they're shows lack punch any more and are too often snooze enducing with a few flashes of old brilliance tossed in to keep people awake.

Both promotions have problems but TNA's are amplified because they're a struggling upstart promotion (despite being around for over 8 years). So when they make bad decisions they seem a lot worse than they really are because they don't have 70 years of tradition to lean back on like the WWE. They also don't have a marketing machine to lean back on like the WWE. They also don't have brand identity to lean back on.

TNA's too busy trying to make an impact to actually make an impact.

Here's analogy...

TNA is like the Rocky Balboa in the movie Rocky. Rocky just wants one shot to go the distance with the Champion Apollo Creed (WWE). Except in this analogy Rocky decides to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. What would have happened if Rocky were to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of that movie? He would have gotten creamed. That's why instead Rocky trained with Mickey in a wonderful montage to the song "Getting Strong Now." After that montage he was able to go the distance with the champ. TNA refuses to go through the montage... It's all about the montage.

In all seriousness TNA is so hell bent on making a big splash that they don't realize that they don't need big aquisitions are big moves to Monday night or any of that. All they need, they already have. If they just took the time to really evaluate what they have, and what they want to become, and move slow to that goal, they could be a real success.

Right now they're entertaining (to me) but they could be really good if they just put in the time to re-evaluate their goals and re-evaluate who they are and who they want to be. I'm not going to get into specifics but their are certain wrestlers that didn't wrestle on the PPV that whould have been and many that shouldn't have been on the PPV that were.

But just because TNA could be great doesn't mean that don't do good things now. I think I get the hate that is spewed their direction though...

It's frustration.

THe people that are hating on TNA see how good it could be and to see them floundering like this is frustrating...

Lucky for me I'm easily amused and I can enjoy TNA for what it is rather than be frustrated by what it could be but isn't.
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i think some of you are romanticizing a bit too much about WCW... TNA today vs WCW back then is still a better product. as random as TNA can seem at times, it's nothing compared to the randomness WCW threw at us every week.
Not trying to keep a dead horse racing, but I just recently rewatched all the Nitros and PPVS from 96-97, and let me tell you, the WCW Glory Days were a lot more impressive when I first watched them and I was 13. If I was to summarize WCW from when nWo came a board thru 97 it would be something like...

Hogan as world champ, limos, & beat downs.
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Here's analogy...

TNA is like the Rocky Balboa in the movie Rocky. Rocky just wants one shot to go the distance with the Champion Apollo Creed (WWE). Except in this analogy Rocky decides to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. What would have happened if Rocky were to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of that movie? He would have gotten creamed. That's why instead Rocky trained with Mickey in a wonderful montage to the song "Getting Strong Now." After that montage he was able to go the distance with the champ. TNA refuses to go through the montage... It's all about the montage.
lol love this.
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I'm going under the assumption that you are a total dumbass.
And I don't care what you say MAN! WCW was bought out in 2009! I am right your wrong!

LMAO! U MAD! So to cheer you up I gave you what you wanted!
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Oh no, another "F Bomb"! C'mon let's be friends!
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