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Old 08-29-2011, 11:48 PM   #281
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I dunno, I'd rather see Punk in a title match at Mania. Just me tho
Look I would too but the reality is one way or another, Cena is going to have the belt against the Rock.

The best cases for Punk are he vs. HHH or maybe COO HHH forcing him to fight the Undertaker.
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:53 PM   #282
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Crowd seemed pretty dead for Punk/Miz. Boo-urns for whatever city they were in.

Lawler is really hurting Otunga and McGillicutty with his commentary. Burying them way worse than Michael Cole has ever buried anybody. I mean, I don't even like Otunga or Mikey McG, but yeah... feel kinda bad for them.



Also, Sheamus and Cena. Commentators kept mentioning their "storied past" and if they could trust one another... but there wasn't even like, a look of hesitation, dislike, or distrust. -1 point for the Sheamus face turn.
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Yeah crowd sucked tonight. Specially that dumb bitch holding the CM SUCKS sign..how dare she/he
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Lawler is really hurting Otunga and McGillicutty with his commentary. Burying them way worse than Michael Cole has ever buried anybody. I mean, I don't even like Otunga or Mikey McG, but yeah... feel kinda bad for them.
I actually liked it. First interesting thing Otunga and Hennig have been involved in since the Nexus
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There's still gotta be some fans out there who are confused about CM Punk and still think he is a heel.
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Barrett is currently in an angle where he's saying he demands better competition. He'll get better competition soon, by either attacking some big face on SmackDown or just being handed better competition and both will most likely lead to something.



Just see it as todays "Austin vs Vince" I guess. Punk being the outspoken "rebel" or whatever you want to call it, and Triple H as "The Boss".

You never know what will happen at the PPV or even tomorrow. For all you know, on SmackDown, Stephanie could say no to the match happening as Triple H is COO. So Triple H quits but he can't as he has to wait until his COO contract runs out, which will be before Survivor Series or whatever. Or at NoC, Laurinaitis could interrupt the match so it'll have to take place again at some point. So many possibilities.

Basically, give it all time. Storylines need time to develop in order to be interesting to the viewers.
I know where you're coming from , but one has to be skeptical given how the WWE has done these kind of feuds.

I missed a good bit of Raw though. Is there any explanation why Nash was using the old NWO theme and not Diesel?


As for the -1 on Sheamus, I tend to agree. There really is no reason why he needs to be an uber face right now. He could easily be an anti-establishment type of face in his own right, it's being proven that it works in today's WWE.

Before Orton became an uber face now, he got popular by being bad. The whole "Orton goes pscyho" schtick got him way over. Now you have Punk of course.

They could go this direction with Sheamus too instead of shaking hands with the Cena's of the world. Having him hit an irish curse on Cena as we faded to black would have given him a huge pop not to mention show that while he's a face, he doesn't run with the cheap face pop type.
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Yeah crowd sucked tonight. Specially that dumb bitch holding the CM SUCKS sign..how dare she/he
The sign said "CM SKUNK".

And Raw was in Tulsa, Oklahoma tonight.
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I actually liked it. First interesting thing Otunga and Hennig have been involved in since the Nexus
I like that it seems to be going somewhere. Just, the comments did not need to be as harsh to get the same result.
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Why is everyone obsessed with the "anti-establishment" face?
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Because they want another John Cena obviously.
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Look I would too but the reality is one way or another, Cena is going to have the belt against the Rock.

The best cases for Punk are he vs. HHH or maybe COO HHH forcing him to fight the Undertaker.
Why is that the reality?

Also, if they are really going to do HHH vs Punk this soon, then that might mean there have been some developments regarding the Punk vs Austin rumors for wrestlemania.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:26 AM   #293
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CM Punk vs. Triple-H will be Triple-H beating down Punk as revenge for his comments about Stephanie. Punk won’t stay down, Triple-H keeps beating him down. I imagine Kevin Nash and X-Pac will show up to beat on Punk.

I really wanted to see Punk vs. Nash.

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I missed a good bit of Raw though. Is there any explanation why Nash was using the old NWO theme and not Diesel?
WWE.com is hinting at Nash reforming the nWo.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:29 AM   #294
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I see them reforming the "Kliq" than the NWO.
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They were known backstage as the Kliq, so it wouldn't make sense for them to reunite as anything other than that. Some members were never in DX, and Triple-H was never in the nWo.

However, I personally would love to see the nWo come back. Shawn Michaels obviously wouldn't have to wrestle, but Big Show, Kevin Nash, Triple-H, and X-Pac could. Do what would've been in 2002 if Nash never got hurt.
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...is it me, or is WWE all over the place?

I thought they were purposely playing with our minds so we won't know what's going to happen, but...I'm getting the feeling they really DON'T know what the outcome of some storylines will be...

...this RAW was a bit of a clusterfuck.
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LttP:

- Really? nWo porn music? We want Deisel Blues! Besides, that song infers an appearance by Hall, or at least some X-Pac-ery.

- Is it just me, or does Nash seem kinda Botox-y? Getting a facelift is fine, but dying your hair is cause for grumble?

- Expected Punk to say something about "sympathy quad tears". Thanks a lot, TPWW!

- So, we can swear now in the 'E, but we can't say "douchebag". Good to know!

- Will Lil' Naitch be reprising his role from WCW as "yes man" to Laurenitus?

- [sarcasm] Punk got the jobber entrance? I'm shocked there aren't 3 threads about this happening- in between two more threads about one Hardy or another. Also waiting on the gif for Punk mocking Miz, or Punk saying "WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!" that sounded suspiciously like "WHO WANTS TO FUCK?!" I am dissapoint. [/sarcasm] (I remember'd the tags this time)

-"OH SNAP! WE FORGOT THE LIGHTING TREATMENT FOR SIN CARA! LETS JUST TURN IT ON WITH THE MATCH IN PROGRESS! NOT DISTRACTING AT ALL!"

- Air Boom. I would have gone with something like Flying Frenzy or something, but whatevs. It's short, sweet, to the point, and incorporates both men. Insignia and t-shirts coming soon. Hope they look cool.

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I actually liked it. First interesting thing Otunga and Hennig have been involved in since the Nexus
- I actually made an accurate prediction? DANGER!!! BEWARE, THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!!! Actually, don't crawl into your bomb shelters yet, because I also said they'd get themselves a manager/makeover upon confronting Lawler. More specifically, they get added to Vicki's stable.

- The nose to nooooose announcement about the "match change" at NoC seemed kind of just slapdashed in there. "YAAAAAY, CENA WINS!! You and me, Punk. YAAAAAY, BACK TO CENA WINS!" Something so "important" seemed kind of afterthought-y.
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- Really? nWo porn music? We want Deisel Blues!
No we don't. Stop that.

Also, I'm liking the new presentation where backstage segments are happening while celebrations are happening and that little highlight package for Dolph before his match with Orton.
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...is it me, or is WWE all over the place?

I thought they were purposely playing with our minds so we won't know what's going to happen, but...I'm getting the feeling they really DON'T know what the outcome of some storylines will be...

...this RAW was a bit of a clusterfuck.
Agreed. I don't like the idea of "continual supershows". Defeats the purpose of the brand split and only gets the "top draws" on TV. Ziggler/Orton was good and all, but I can do without seeing Orton on RAW AND Smackdown weekly. Give somone else that spot.
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Deisel theme would make more sense than NWO, to be fair.
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It's theme music, why does it have to "make sense"?
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For a start he's Kevin Nash and not Diesel so Diesel Blues would surely make less sense, if there is a checksheet for some kind of music coming out of speakers making sense.
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Deisel theme would make more sense than NWO, to be fair.
It'd make sense if he was still being called Diesel, like at the RR, but he's Kevin Nash now and Kevin Nash is synonymous with the NWO
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...WWE is so all over the place, they haven't even properly presented Kevin Nash to the present-day WWE audience...

...it's like: He looks like Diesel...but he goes by "Kevin Nash"...but they refer to him as "Big Daddy Cool"...but he comes out with the NWO as his theme...but they presented him as Diesel on WWE.COM's "Who is Kevin Nash?"...

...the whole thing got off on the wrong foot...
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Plus, they were worried that people wouldn't remember who Kevin Nah is, and I'm sure more people recognize the NWO music then his old theme
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He wasn't Deisel when he used it in 2003 or whatever.

And no it doesn't make less sense. It's not like Deisel was some outlandish gimmick character. Whether he is deisel or nash, he walks, talks, and wrestles the same. Only difference is that his top says deisel on it.

Makes more sense than using music for a faction that's been dead for over 5 years.
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Angry 2003 KEVIN NASH (not Diesel) music


CLEARLY this would have made the most sense despite it being awful.

I give this Raw an F- for a theme that didn't "make sense" somehow. CURSE YOU NONSENSICAL MUSIC! CURSE YOU TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL!
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No we don't. Stop that.

Also, I'm liking the new presentation where backstage segments are happening while celebrations are happening and that little highlight package for Dolph before his match with Orton.
The idea is okay of things happening in the world at the same time, but something that was supposed to be all epic got completely undersold because all the focus was on what was going on in the ring. It came off like "oh, :yawn: by the way, I'm taking Nash's place at the PPV". This whole angle was leading up to that moment and it seemed to me it deserved a bit more focus.

It'd be like if during Jericho's debut he had no countdown, no pyro, and during his speech he just gets cut of by The Rock so he can continue cutting a promo on the Big Show. What is widely considered one of the biggest debuts ever would have been completely wiped away. I know this is an extreme example, but its what I used to make my point. HHH/Punk announcement should have been HUGE- not an afterthought.
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He wasn't Deisel when he used it in 2003 or whatever.

And no it doesn't make less sense. It's not like Deisel was some outlandish gimmick character. Whether he is deisel or nash, he walks, talks, and wrestles the same. Only difference is that his top says deisel on it.

Makes more sense than using music for a faction that's been dead for over 5 years.
In 2003 he used a theme SIMILAR to "Diesel Blues"...but it WASN'T "Diesel Blues"...

...it's on YouTube...look it up.

Now that I think of it, in 2003 WWE also didn't know how to present him to the audience...they could've EASILY had him just come out as Kevin Nash, as he was in WCW, but NO...they insist on bringing up the "Diesel" character, even if it's the "look", the music, etc...
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Seems like the crowd knew exactly who Nash was.

Typically, this is only an issue with the IWC
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The idea is okay of things happening in the world at the same time, but something that was supposed to be all epic got completely undersold because all the focus was on what was going on in the ring. It came off like "oh, :yawn: by the way, I'm taking Nash's place at the PPV". This whole angle was leading up to that moment and it seemed to me it deserved a bit more focus.

It'd be like if during Jericho's debut he had no countdown, no pyro, and during his speech he just gets cut of by The Rock so he can continue cutting a promo on the Big Show. What is widely considered one of the biggest debuts ever would have been completely wiped away. I know this is an extreme example, but its what I used to make my point. HHH/Punk announcement should have been HUGE- not an afterthought.
Maybe the point is purely to create intrigue for tomorrow/next week and that HHH/Punk isn't actually going to happen? Then there would be an outcry of people who didn't like that the match was announced as such a big deal and now isn't happening at all.
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He wasn't Deisel when he used it in 2003 or whatever.

And no it doesn't make less sense. It's not like Deisel was some outlandish gimmick character. Whether he is deisel or nash, he walks, talks, and wrestles the same. Only difference is that his top says deisel on it.

Makes more sense than using music for a faction that's been dead for over 5 years.
Not only that, but he JUST used it at the Royal Rumble.

I don't care if it's called "Jacknife" on that vid now, or whatevs. It's still Deisel Blues. And it still would have seemed less out of place than nWo music.
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In 2003 he used a theme SIMILAR to "Diesel Blues"...but it WASN'T "Diesel Blues"...

...it's on YouTube...look it up.
Why would you want the original Deisel Blues?

This is the theme I was thinking he would use.
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It's just that it seems WWE is doing things "on the fly"...there doesn't seem to be much planning going on right now...

...It makes me nervous as to how they'll book the Cena/Rock angle...as it stands, if they keep changing things up at the last minute and improvising, we'll see them move the match up to the December PPV or something...
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Why would you want the original Deisel Blues?

This is the theme I was thinking he would use.
...'cause he just used it this past Royal Rumble, maybe?
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I don't how the NWO music was out of place. Kevin Nash is arguably most known for being in the NWO. Someone help me out here.
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CLEARLY this would have made the most sense despite it being awful.

I give this Raw an F- for a theme that didn't "make sense" somehow. CURSE YOU NONSENSICAL MUSIC! CURSE YOU TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL!
I never said anything about the show being bad because of this, you silly billy.

NWO theme isn't that great either, mister.
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I feel compelled to tell you that the 2003 theme is called "JACKNIFE".

Hopefully this will make everything make more sense in this crazy mixed up world of theme tunes.
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The name of The Rock's theme has changed like 10 times: its the same song, just keeps being rearranged for updates. Same for Nash.
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It's just that it seems WWE is doing things "on the fly"...there doesn't seem to be much planning going on right now...

...It makes me nervous as to how they'll book the Cena/Rock angle...as it stands, if they keep changing things up at the last minute and improvising, we'll see them move the match up to the December PPV or something...
TBF, we don't KNOW things are being booked on the fly. It just seems that way and personally, it makes for much more interesting shows.
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