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Old 05-11-2012, 01:30 PM   #81
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The term "Franchise Players" has been used by a couple of people though. Erroneously, but still used.
Be a great tag team name.
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:55 PM   #82
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Really? And who are these imaginary people
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:35 PM   #83
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:53 PM   #84
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:39 PM   #85
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I don't pay attention on who (or imaginary people), just from what I read from forums, facebook wrestling groups, etc. I was just stating I hate seeing how people are interested into something that really isn't of importance and takes out the fun of being a wrestling fan. And I know I shouldn't really bother with this discussion anymore since now this is plagued by your presence.
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:48 PM   #86
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To be fair any 'new' star is going to lose viewers at this point though. WWE hasn't built anyone up as a real deal in ages so it's no wonder people don't take them seriously.
Wishbone speaks the truth here.

The character development is shit. This issue tends to get lost when discussing who "sucks as a main eventer". The company sucks at building up main eventers.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:31 PM   #87
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So people who judge shows by ratings are imaginary, yet people who think that Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are mega-draws aren't?
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:30 PM   #88
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Lot of this has to do with looks.

Daniel Bryan looks ridiculous and Punk rocks a neck beard.

Change those two things and this thread would be completely different. Don't think Bryan is in Punk's league, for that matter. But, whatever, that's who they have at the next PPV.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:32 PM   #89
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Shit, even the themes would change it all. Daniel Bryan's theme is fucking retarded and CM Punk downgraded his theme.
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I dont think Rock Bottom knows what a neck beard is.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:09 AM   #91
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:25 PM   #92
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CM Punk downgraded his theme.
Tell me he didn't just say that.





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The low ratings can solely be blamed on the crappy WWE Title belt. Why they didn't change it when Punk ran off the bling belt is beyond me.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:16 PM   #94
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I don't pay attention on who (or imaginary people), just from what I read from forums, facebook wrestling groups, etc. I was just stating I hate seeing how people are interested into something that really isn't of importance and takes out the fun of being a wrestling fan. And I know I shouldn't really bother with this discussion anymore since now this is plagued by your presence.
So you don't pay attention to these guys, you just read these claims on forums and facebook.

That's kinda paying attention. Are you Mitt Romney?

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Yeah, pretty much. I would never argue that Daniel Bryan is a franchise player. Anybody who says he is is delusional. However, he fills a void left when Benoit died. He's an old school technician, who appeals to a niche. A good guy to have around, very talented, but not interesting to the casual fan. At the end of the day, I like who I like. Justin Bieber sells more records than Testament, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's better.
But people want him in a leading spot. Using the Testament analogy, if you want to make money (which is what the WWE does want to do), do you put your money behind Beiber or Testament?

Look, I understand that "more popular" doesn't mean "better." A lot of my favourite groups are local. I don't expect them to have the national appeal for throngs of fans, and that's fine. But if you're talking about who should be on top, it's not going to be those guys.

When you correlate the intelligence of the booking and Vince to the pushing of certain people like Punk or Bryan, has has been done in the past, you're talking business. Not even just "I want."

Additionally, if you want to just enjoy the show, why even come into threads like this? You don't care about ratings, great. Why not let those who do talk? Even if they do "enjoy people based on their drawing power," who are you to tell people they're enjoying the show wrong.

Do you tell sports fans not to crunch numbers because you're a baseball purist?

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You guys realize that the ratings are just pol who watched the whole thing live or on.DVD in the first 24 hours without fast forwarding or changing the channel.
I already said something about this, but I'm just going to point out:

You mean they only count the primary statistic which is most important both to advertisers and WWE? Holy shit!

I mean, seriously, there's a reason these numbers are still relied on. The number of people who watch first run is the most important. And I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but someone mentioned streaming and torrents. Nobody cares about that because you're not contributing to them in any direct financial sense.

That is to say, if most of Daniel Bryan's fans watch on the web from sites outside WWE's influence, then they don't matter in terms of whether or not he should be pushed. In fact, they might hurt him. The only exception is merch sales, but as they're already factored, that doesn't really change anything.

"Draw" is a term only really important in terms fo revenue stream. The reason people don't count illegal rebroadcasting is because nobody involved makes money off it. And, as redundant as it seems, if guy A makes them money and guy B does not, 90% of the time, they will run with guy A.
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What you're saying makes perfect sense, KK, but who is a draw in the WWE besides The Rock and Brock Lesnar?
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Ok, well, even if Punk isn't a "franchise player" (who really is these days though, tbf), he's still a credible main eventer, and it didn't take him several years of being forced down everybody's throats as a big deal to get there (I'm looking at you Orton). I can see why the overhyping by the IWC of certain guys is annoying, but to act like he doesn't have any appeal is ludicrous. Daniel Bryan, on the other hand, is a great talent, but definitely not franchise material. He's a guy that is credible in a top spot when they need him, but not someone who draws big money. He can have a good match with anybody and make them look good. You need a few guys like that hovering around.
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I didn't pay attention to WHO said it, but aware of what was said. How are you not understanding that?
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I didn't pay attention to WHO said it, but aware of what was said. How are you not understanding that?
The fact that you worded it clumsily might be part of the point.

Might want to take your own proficiency with the English language into account when asking how hard something is to understand, champ.
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Was Shawn Michaels a franchise player? Weren't ratings pretty low when it was him and Bret carrying the WWE?
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All I care about is that they don't hastily put another World or WWE title on DB again so soon after losing his first one. He obviously had no idea how to handle the pressures of it and it showed. Give him a few more years, let him earn a couple IC/US titles first. Hell, maybe even a tag title or two.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:08 PM   #101
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What makes you say he couldn't handle it?
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I dunno, he just didn't sound very convincing or confident whenever he had to give a promo, and the face-to-heel switch mid-run was sorta WTF...
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he's just not the greatest/most consistent promo guy as opposed to nerves or a confidence thing, guy earns his spot through the fact not many guys can touch him "bell to bell"
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Fair enough. Just really sick of these über-quick pushings of superstars to the WHC or WWE title within months of their arrival in the company. Another thing about DB that needs to go "buh-bye" in a hurry is this stupid "YES!" shit.
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The stupid "YES!" shit that is pretty over with the crowd?
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The ones that chant it must have an IQ of -47...it's annoying, plain and simple.
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lol @ DAMN iNATOR questioning anyone's intelligence level.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:26 PM   #108
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DAMN iNATOR is right, Daniel Bryan has to ditch EVERYTHING that got him over.
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:37 PM   #109
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The ones that chant it must have an IQ of -47...it's annoying, plain and simple.
Y'know, I hated/still hate the whole "WHAT!?" deal but I'd never have said Austin should drop it as it was/still is crazy over - regardless of who was chanting it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:01 PM   #110
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Cena end segment killed the show to a 2.94 in the overnights. It's totally Bryan/Punks fault.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:07 PM   #111
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PUNK/ BRYAN did a 2.91. They tuned people off as soon as the show started and they never came back.

TNA is catching up because of those two.
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Not even in the overrun? You know, when people are watching the other show?
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:59 AM   #114
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It's May and this week and next is finales on the networks but I guess that is Punk and Bryan's faults as well according to Gertner.
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Punk and Bryan are clearly sinking the USA Network and NBC itself! I bet the affiliates will be on the phone to Vince soon, demanding a change! They want the steadily declining ratings of yesteryear, when it was John Cena and Randy Orton's fault!
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I am sure everyone watching the series finale of House over watching the first hour of Raw next week will be blamed on Punk/Bryan too
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Especially if it's a Triple H segment that bombs.
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So what you're saying is they should sign Hugh Laurie.
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Lot of this has to do with looks.

Daniel Bryan looks ridiculous and Punk rocks a neck beard.

Change those two things and this thread would be completely different. Don't think Bryan is in Punk's league, for that matter. But, whatever, that's who they have at the next PPV.
No way, Punk looks awesome.
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