Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ No. My point was I think you're full of shit and your opinions and arguments are worthless. Especially since you won't name your supposedly credible and trustworthy "sources". That being said, you're mildly entertaining from the perspective that it's like arguing with an immature teenager who actually has no idea what they're talking about but thinks they know everything and more than anyone else.

Amongst this group, I guarantee I know more than any of you. Guarantee.

But I'm not sure what you think I'm full of shit in relation to ratings. Do you think TV ratings in general are up? Do you not believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings? Do you think WWE didnt have the most viewed show on cable by a lot?

You should mellow out man. Maybe do more drugs or better ones anyway.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Amongst this group, I guarantee I know more than any of you. Guarantee.

Maybe you do, I just doubt that to be the case because of your refusal to state why and how you know so much "more than any of" us.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't everything and I don't know the particulars between WWE and USA and their deals.

That being said, I do know exactly how television/media companies and entertainment/media producers work, what they want, see and look for in deals, ratings, etc.

I've negotiated and drafted deals for and with NBC-Universal, ABC/Disney, CBS, HBO, Netflix and many others. I've also worked in and been involved in the business affairs departments, planning, meetings, etc. at major media, music and entertainment companies, including Universal Music, Cox Communications, Viacom, Cablevision.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Maybe you do, I just doubt that to be the case because of your refusal to state why and how you know so much "more than any of" us. I'll be the first to admit, I don't everything and I don't know the particulars between WWE and USA and their deals. That being said, I do know exactly how television/media companies and entertainment/media producers work, what they want, see and look for in deals, ratings, etc. I've negotiated and drafted deals for and with NBC-Universal, ABC/Disney, CBS, HBO, Netflix and many others. I've also worked in and been involved in the business affairs departments, planning, meetings, etc. at major media, music and entertainment companies, including Universal Music, Cox Communications, Viacom, Cablevision.

If you think WWE is unsuccessful on cable, then you clearly dont know as much as you are claiming in that post.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick If you think WWE is unsuccessful on cable, then you clearly dont know as much as you are claiming in that post.

That's not what I'm claiming.

I'm claiming they're unsuccessful at what they should be most successful at, and that is, creating compelling wrestling based televised entertainment and entertainers.

I'm claiming that because they're unsuccessful at creating compelling wrestling based televised entertainment and entertainers, EVENTUALLY, they may be unsuccessful on cable. Unless they turn it around and maintain it consistently, which in theory, could happen anytime.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ That's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming they're unsuccessful at what they should be most successful at, and that is, creating compelling wrestling based televised entertainment and entertainers. I'm claiming that because they're unsuccessful at creating compelling wrestling based televised entertainment and entertainers, EVENTUALLY, they may be unsuccessful on cable. Unless they turn it around and maintain it consistently, which in theory, could happen anytime.

They'll be okay because kids will watch anything with violence, bright lights and explosions. You don't need to actually write anything with substance. So as long as they keep it PG, they'll get by fine. The thing is, they don't just target kids. They want to appeal to a larger demographic. They want to be "accepted" by the mainstream as a legit form of entertainment. Unfortunately if you want to attract a lot of people with more than a 6th grade education to your TV show, you need to actually write something compelling. And the writing has been an ADD-riddled mess over the years.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan They'll be okay because kids will watch anything with violence, bright lights and explosions. You don't need to actually write anything with substance. So as long as they keep it PG, they'll get by fine. The thing is, they don't just target kids. They want to appeal to a larger demographic. They want to be "accepted" by the mainstream as a legit form of entertainment. Unfortunately if you want to attract a lot of people with more than a 6th grade education to your TV show, you need to actually write something compelling. And the writing has been an ADD-riddled mess over the years.

Absolutely. This is what CyNick either doesn't get or just ignores it.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan They'll be okay because kids will watch anything with violence, bright lights and explosions. You don't need to actually write anything with substance. So as long as they keep it PG, they'll get by fine. The thing is, they don't just target kids. They want to appeal to a larger demographic. They want to be "accepted" by the mainstream as a legit form of entertainment. Unfortunately if you want to attract a lot of people with more than a 6th grade education to your TV show, you need to actually write something compelling. And the writing has been an ADD-riddled mess over the years.

So much this.

The roster now is the best it's ever been. There are so many talented guys on the main roster and even more down in NXT who will eventually be called up over the coming months/years. But with the writing as it is now they'll be wrestling loads of great matches that end up not amounting to anything because they can't put together a coherent storyline for anybody not in the main event (and even the main event storylines make close to no sense anymore).

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz So much this. The roster now is the best it's ever been. There are so many talented guys on the main roster and even more down in NXT who will eventually be called up over the coming months/years. But with the writing as it is now they'll be wrestling loads of great matches that end up not amounting to anything because they can't put together a coherent storyline for anybody not in the main event (and even the main event storylines make close to no sense anymore).

Is Ambrose-Owens compelling enough?

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan They'll be okay because kids will watch anything with violence, bright lights and explosions. You don't need to actually write anything with substance. So as long as they keep it PG, they'll get by fine. The thing is, they don't just target kids. They want to appeal to a larger demographic. They want to be "accepted" by the mainstream as a legit form of entertainment. Unfortunately if you want to attract a lot of people with more than a 6th grade education to your TV show, you need to actually write something compelling. And the writing has been an ADD-riddled mess over the years.

I guess they didn't teach you the concept of irony in the 6th grade. Should have hung in there longer, might have come in handy.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick But I'm not sure what you think I'm full of shit in relation to ratings. Do you think TV ratings in general are up? Do you not believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings? Do you think WWE didnt have the most viewed show on cable by a lot?

No. I don't think TV ratings in general are up. I do think that those content providers that are focusing on putting out HIGH quality, well written television/media are doing consistently better than those that aren't.

I do believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings. I also believe that those who put out compelling, MUST see content, especially live event content, don't use that as an excuse or a crutch for their poor ratings or a reason to put out a horrible, piss poor product.

You're right, WWE had the most viewed show on cable this Monday. No one's denying that. So what?

Is that an excuse or reason for WWE to let the writing and booking quality nose dive to shit, all the while alienating their most intense and loyal consumers? Is that a reason not to try to improve their writing/booking, thus improving their ratings and ultimately, improve their revenues?

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ No. I don't think TV ratings in general are up. I do think that those content providers that are focusing on putting out HIGH quality, well written television/media are doing consistently better than those that aren't. I do believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings. I also believe that those who put out compelling, MUST see content, especially live event content, don't use that as an excuse or a crutch for their poor ratings or a reason to put out a horrible, piss poor product. You're right, WWE had the most viewed show on cable this Monday. No one's denying that. So what? Is that an excuse or reason for WWE to let the writing and booking quality nose dive to shit, all the while alienating their most intense and loyal consumers? Is that a reason not to try to improve their writing/booking, thus improving their ratings and ultimately, improve their revenues?

What defines high quality programming? For years American Idol was the #1 rated show on TV, I personally felt that show was horrible. Quality is a matter of opinion, I dont think everything that gets high ratings on cable is critically acclaimed.

The so what is thats what the goal is. USA wants RAW to bring their overall ratings up. By having more viewers than anyone else on a given night, puts USA in a favourable position for advertisers. This was proven out by the recent report that suggested USA was able to gain several key advertisers for RAW. Its also evident by the ever increasing TV rights fees that WWE collects. Whether or not you or I enjoy the product is really irrelevant.

The thing is we haven't really seen an erosion of the hardcore base. I would say the hardcore base in the people who buy the network, those numbers have increased Year over Year. Overall WWE is bringing in more revenues. Their revenues are closely tied to their hardcore base, as they actually pay for the product. So if those numbers are up, then where are the indicators that WWE is alienating anyone? Aside from 10 or 20 people on a site like this saying the product is shit? In the grand scheme of things, we are irrelevant. Its important to understand that.

Going back to the change in media. Why does WWE such massive numbers on You Tube, Facebook, etc? If the product was so stagnant or so horrible, why are those numbers so massive? isnt it more likely they fans they are apparently losing on TV are just consuming the product through other avenues?

[drave]

Originally Posted by The CyNick In the grand scheme of things, we are irrelevant. Its important to understand that.

Feel like we just got Neil Degrasse CyNick'd

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by The CyNick In the grand scheme of things, we are irrelevant. Its important to understand that.

LOL

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick You should mellow out man. Maybe do more drugs or better ones anyway.

I don't do drugs, man, but thanks for the advice. I don't have time or any desire to do any drugs, plus it's not worth the risk of me losing my law license and not be able to do what I love for a living.