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Old 01-27-2011, 10:54 PM   #41
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And by the way, about Super Cena, fuckin take a look at him and then look at the rest of the roster, in a real fight who do you think could kick his ass? Nobody
Just off the top of my head - Mark Henry, Vladimir Kozlov, Big Show, Zeke Jackson, Mason Ryan, Skip Sheffield...
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:51 PM   #42
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:00 AM   #43
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:15 AM   #44
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Well you clearly didn't read what I had to say, as I complimented him throughout my post. My complaints are all valid. Also I don't watch very much new age WWE because of how epically cheesy it is. I don't expect shakespeare, but I don't need the cookie cutter bullshit either.

Also John Cena is the flag barer of the company, #1 dog, so he HAS to be critiqued as he is technically the most important guy. He has also shown how good he is on many occasions, which is why it bothers me when I see him producing crap.

Calm down child
Sorry dude I wasn't attacking you, though I can see how you thought that. I did read your post, and I understand the two big qualities you can't stand about Cena, but I wanted to get across that if you just take John Cena for what he is and stop hoping or waiting for him to change that you might find that he is a likable character who is his own person.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:20 AM   #45
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Or you know he won't. Everything Dale said is absolutely valid.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:23 AM   #46
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I guess so Lara, I fight on it because I am really enjoying WWE right now, in basically every way and I wish other people would as well. But you know everyone has an opinion and it's the right one for them so I'll just let it go. I'm enjoying WWE the most I have since I was a kid at the moment, and I felt if I could say how I feel maybe others might think the same way.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:33 AM   #47
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Cena matches are consistently entertaining and deliver, and he doesn't win at every PPV anymore.
That's just something people say.
I'm pretty much sick of hearing those complaints. He's by no means my favorite performer on the show, but he doesn't bother me at all. I find most of what he's been doing over the past year or so to be damn good.

His joking is forced sometimes but not enough to really upset me. Honestly, some of The Rock's later promos have started to seem that way to me as well, when watching them again.
The attire and stuff doesn't bother me at all.
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People don't give him enough credit for his athleticism. He's quick for a guy his size. His biggest problem is he just looks awkward in some of the moves he hits. He's definitely not the excellence of execution.

His matches always have the ability to captivate an audience, that is what I like about him. And he works hard out there for the most part.

I dunno I just can't get past how fucking corny he is hahaha, it honestly kills me. I think my problem is I love guys who seem more natural in their roll. Cena's promos don't seem natural, sometimes it doesn't seem like he believes what the hell he's doing, he's just doing it because he was asked to. In one sense I commend him for being a company man, in another sense it leads to some horrible promos.
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I agree about some of the promos, but the storylines and matches allow me to live with it.
This fall I was ready to pull my hair out with Orton as champion. His matches and feuds just bore me more and more by the month. Especially when he's "on top."

I couldn't wait to get more Cena/Barrett, or now Cena/Punk.
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Cena matches are consistently entertaining and deliver, and he doesn't win at every PPV anymore.
That's just something people say.
I'm pretty much sick of hearing those complaints. He's by no means my favorite performer on the show, but he doesn't bother me at all. I find most of what he's been doing over the past year or so to be damn good.

His joking is forced sometimes but not enough to really upset me. Honestly, some of The Rock's later promos have started to seem that way to me as well, when watching them again.
The attire and stuff doesn't bother me at all.
He last lost in October and basically came out looking like a million bucks the very next night

He's won or been made to looks strong in every PPV since. Fuck he even got fired and came back the next night looking awesome, he also looked awesome getting fired.

Let's review 2010

Lost at RR, last eliminated

Won title at EC lost to Bats

Won title at WM

Beat Bats in rematches in April and May

Lost in June and July cause of Nexus

Won in August as the sole survivor of the nexus match

Lost in Sept due to interference but totally got booked to be even stronger and more annoying the next fucking night

Won in Oct and got to screw over Barrett making him look kinda stupid

Got the last laugh in Nov getting fired but screwing Barrett over and looking even stronger and more annoying the next night.

Buried all of Nexus for a bit in Dec fighting all of them off and then literally burying Barrett.

So in 12 PPVs he lost cleanly once and that was in a Royal Rumble Match. So let's not pretend the SuperCena thing is dead, it isn't, even when Cena loses he wins.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:00 AM   #51
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He's the top guy. He's being the booked the same way Austin, Rock, and Triple H were in their time. What I'm saying is that the storylines are more flexible now and it's not (to me) anywhere near as bad as 2006-7.
He's definitely the strongest on the show, and the centerpiece of the roster, but I don't feel like it's as unbearable as it may have been at one time. At all.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:08 AM   #52
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His storylines are much better, he just needs to quit the cutesy crap. It completely takes the steam out of the heels he's working with. I mean really, chances are they're losing anyways, the least he can do is pretend like he may be worried.
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Maybe I've just learned to deal, or changed my tune as a fan a bit. I've been pretty thrilled with a lot of the writing and direction lately, and Cena has been the least of any concerns.
Perhaps I'm easily pleased right now, but I am content with him going over Punk or whoever, as long as the match and storyline deliver. For the moment.

It also helps that there are a lot of other players on the show that have me very interested.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:17 AM   #54
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The CM Punk feud will be great no matter what happens. Both guys are too good for it not to be, and it seems like Cena has a lot of respect for Punk, and gave him A LOT of respect in the ring when they worked together.
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His storylines are much better, he just needs to quit the cutesy crap. It completely takes the steam out of the heels he's working with. I mean really, chances are they're losing anyways, the least he can do is pretend like he may be worried.
This, his attitude killed the post fired portion of his fued with Nexus, I mean he almost single handedly killed Nexus. Mostly through his goofy miw work, and stupid booking.
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The aftermath of the Nexus war/firing definitely was blown off too easily/quickly. I don't disagree at all.
I think bringing Punk into the mix was key to getting past that mistake without it feeling too abrupt.
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And by the way, about Super Cena, fuckin take a look at him and then look at the rest of the roster, in a real fight who do you think could kick his ass? Nobody
LOL. It's still real to you, dammit, isn't it?
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:43 AM   #58
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Superman needs a Lex Luthor.
The problem is that this Superman needs a credible Doomsday.

A Steamboat to his Flair, if you will.

He needs a credible threat to make him have to reel in some of the sappy silliness. Those 10 year olds aren't going to stay 10 year olds forever, and they'll start thinking he's cheesy, stale, and stupid. He could be the same basic character, just *tweak it a little. Give him a bit of serious edge. Grant him an opponent he has to fear and respect, and knows to beat this guy, steady streams of poopie and gay jokes aren't going to get the job done. That was the appealing edge to the heel Cena and rebel Cena. He needs another moment like his feud with Lesnar, where he first used the FU AA... and on Rikishi at that! Before "freakishly strong" became a part of his character, it was used to show how seriously he took Brock (and, of course, the FU was a slant on the F5).

That one pale "fella" could have worked, but then they dropped him into the chicken-shit heel role instead of continuing the ruthless monster angle. Miz could have been that, but they derailed the feud. Nexus could have served that purpose, but... yeah, we see what happened there. They went from beating him down en masse to becoming Cena's comedy relief.

As for the attire, it works for him. The problem here is he doesn't really switch anything up. He gets another color scheme for his merch, so his hat/bands/shirt look different for a year. Same shorts and shoes. He just needs to *tweak. He's "shorts guy" who doesn't wear long pants even in places with snow on the ground. Maybe, wear black jeans or something with the design stitching. Switch up his shoes a bit. Something a tad different. He doesn't have to go back to wrestling shorts, or switch to tights or start wearing a singlet.

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Yeah he doesn't need wrestling tights, he'd look better in stitched jeans. Jean shorts just look retarded.
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He's massively over and brings in a lot of money. Can't argue with his success.

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He's also been booed out of the building on many occasions, so there you go.
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It's also much easier to keep on top when they book you to make everyone else look like a retard.

But wait I forgot you don't listen to reason and you troll the wrestling forum. Would rather you weren't even in this thread because you annoy me.
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How'd your boy Daniel Bryan do on NXT? Not soooooo good. Christ, they had to get R Truth to get the crowd to cheer for him, but hey he's over right? Please.
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He's also been booed out of the building on many occasions, so there you go.
And WWE cried all the way to the bank.
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How'd your boy Daniel Bryan do on NXT? Not soooooo good. Christ, they had to get R Truth to get the crowd to cheer for him, but hey he's over right? Please.
lol "My boy", hahaha good lord.
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Old 01-29-2011, 04:42 AM   #67
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So before we get into the Cena bashing, which will eventually go down, let's get one thing out of the way... John Cena is actually a good worker. That has been proven on multiple occassions. Sure, some of the stuff he does isn't technically sound (aka all the stuff) but seriously, he can go hold for hold with ANY worker in the company, latest evidence of that is CM Punk.

Now this doesn't mean I look forward to Cena matches because they can be pretty yawn worthy. They follow a formula an it's a lot of smoke and mirrors and part of it is lazy booking, part of it is lazy Cena. But he consistantly gets the crowd into his matches more than anyone other than probably the undertaker right now, and when need be, he works pretty hard.

His problem is two things, at least with our demographic... it's his lame ass attire and his lame ass jokes. Seriously I wouldn't imagine two things so minor could ruin such a talented guy for me. But seriously, I don't know if it's him TRYING to be funny and make the 10 year ols love him, but noone can sap the starch out of an intense promo like John Cena. Seriously, does he want to be the next Rock?

When a heel is out there like the Miz, laying the goods down in a promo, and Cena comes out there talking about bad breath and bowel movements... has it EVER WORKED? Really? Has it? I just don't understand the point of it. He's always so damned smarmy and unrelatable to any normal human being. Also what kills me about it, is he is one of the most competent guys on the mic in the whole company, he has the ability to captivate an audience like very few do, and he chooses to squander it on these weak jokes that don't really make sense.

Seriously if he had the most mild edge in his promos and avoided the shitty jokes that he seems to feel there is this undying need to tell... would you like him? I honestly think I would....

......Apart from his attire. He is a grown ass man in his 30s, well I think so at least, yet he dresses like I did when I was 13. Or MMA forum mod Kris P Lettus (for those who don't know Kris P, it's not a good look)...so I just don't understand. One can still maintain the urban flavour he looks to keep, without dressing like he's barely hit puberty. I just don't get it. He can appeal to kids without dressing like a kid and telling fart jokes.


So tpww, Gorgeous Dale Newstead asks you, if Cena did away with these 2annoying nuiances in his character... would you like him more? Because seriously, I wouldn't mind "Cena Wins" AT ALL if he wasn't such a smarmy jackass with terrible fashion sense. 2 very simple things to change are they not?
I don't think I've ever seen so many self-contradictions in one post.

You are retarded.
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Hey. Lazy Cena is a hard worker. You stfu, Jabba.
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I'm sorry.

I now appreciate that Cena can go hold for hold with anybody, despite not being technically sound.
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Now you can join the crowd that loves him by yawning at his matches.
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It's annoying how the most competent mic guy in the company is unrelatable to humans.
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Wrong. It's only annoying that he wears a t-shirt and shorts and that he uses a script. Other than that, he's a good worker.
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Old 01-29-2011, 06:24 AM   #75
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I have no problems with cena.
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Old 01-29-2011, 07:27 AM   #76
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I'm sorry.

I now appreciate that Cena can go hold for hold with anybody, despite not being technically sound.
Cena is technically sound. He wrestles in the style he does because that's the style WWE dictates.
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I have not raised any points regarding John Cena's in-ring ability.

I was merely pointing out the idiocy of Newstead's contradictions.
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Yeah, true. I'm tired and didn't read it in context.
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:16 AM   #79
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I don't think I've ever seen so many self-contradictions in one post.

You are retarded.
lol

It's more what he CAN be. I've seen him go hold for hold with certain guys, and I've seen him be really lame, awkward and lazy.

I've seen him tear the house down with a promo, but I've also seen him be completely unrelatable.

At the end of the day, you're a GDN hater, so what you say has no merit.
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Dale, didn't you call him a "good worker"? I don't see how somebody so inconsistent - by your own admission - can be a "good worker".
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