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Old 07-17-2011, 01:55 PM   #41
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I'd like to see a great John Cena match. Somebody post a video. I'll check back tomorrow because I know it will take you time to find it.

The match with HBK doesn't count as we all know HBK can have a good match with anybody.
Edge, Randy Orton, Umaga, Triple H, and The Miz (on Raw, not Wrestlemania) have all had great matches with Cena, and that's without me thinking too hard about it. Just saying.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:57 PM   #42
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This whole feud for some reason reminds me of Ric Flair showing up with the WCW belt proclaiming himself as The Real Heavyweight Champion.
Nobody would EVER emulate that. Especially not here at TPWW.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:24 PM   #43
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Edge, Randy Orton, Umaga, Triple H, and The Miz (on Raw, not Wrestlemania) have all had great matches with Cena, and that's without me thinking too hard about it. Just saying.
Jack Swagger, CM Punk and Chris Jericho also
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Which is exactly why people have his dick so far down their throats.
Sloshgargle blowjobs to every man who talks shit about John Cena.

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Old 07-17-2011, 02:41 PM   #45
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But mostly the men.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:14 PM   #46
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I know that Chavo isn't wrong, but no matter what I hear from him, I can't help but sense an extreme bitterness. I kinda wish he would just shut the fuck up.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:27 PM   #47
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I'd like to see a great John Cena match. Somebody post a video. I'll check back tomorrow because I know it will take you time to find it.

The match with HBK doesn't count as we all know HBK can have a good match with anybody.
The match he had with Umaga, at the royal rumble a few years back, off the top of my head.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:45 PM   #48
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He had a good match with Batista at Wrestlemania 26 and his promos leading up to the match were some of his best due to Batista also having some of his best promos at the time.

The problem is Cena for some reason goes back to his usual self after a great match or promo instead of improving and having another great match and promo in a row. Every great match he's had, the next ppv or match he tends to go back to normal instead of getting better.
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I know that Chavo isn't wrong, but no matter what I hear from him, I can't help but sense an extreme bitterness. I kinda wish he would just shut the fuck up.

To be fair, aren't all wrestlers not with WWE bitter, jealous, and so on?
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I know that Chavo isn't wrong, but no matter what I hear from him, I can't help but sense an extreme bitterness. I kinda wish he would just shut the fuck up.
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Old 07-17-2011, 04:26 PM   #51
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The match he had with Umaga, at the royal rumble a few years back, off the top of my head.
Cena was in it, ergo it sucks.
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Which is exactly why people have his dick so far down their throats.

Err...I mean, Chavo is THE MAN!
Thats better!
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Old 07-17-2011, 06:26 PM   #53
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To be fair, aren't all wrestlers not with WWE bitter, jealous, and so on?
I have no interest in being fair. I feel like Chavo feels that the industry owes him something because of his last name, and frankly, he's unspectacular...unless he's dressed as Kerwin White, in which case he is amazing.
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I love how people are acting like what Chavo said is the reason Cena 'stepped it up.'
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The fucking guy who jobbed to Hornswoggle 4 times technically has no clout in insulting other wrestlers so fervently, at least out in public ....He just THINKS he does. It comes down to ego, and like someone prior has mentioned already--a sense of entitlement over his name.
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So Chavo had more to say. And he has a point. That being said, Cena didn't only deliver, he put on the match of the year with Punk. The piece of shit can perform. He should be doing it more often.

And who gives a fuck if Chavo is bitter, or whatever his reasons may be for posting negatively. As long as what he says is accurate, I'm going to agree. Again it amazes me how much people react to what professional wrestlers think of professional wrestling.
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So Chavo had more to say. And he has a point. That being said, Cena didn't only deliver, he put on the match of the year with Punk. The piece of shit can perform. He should be doing it more often.

And who gives a fuck if Chavo is bitter, or whatever his reasons may be for posting negatively. As long as what he says is accurate, I'm going to agree. Again it amazes me how much people react to what professional wrestlers think of professional wrestling.
Agreed. I don't know what Chavo's reasons are for calling out Cena and I honestly don't care. Chavo's points were accurate and frankly, needed to be said. At least said by someone other than the smarks or the IWC.

Granted, I don't know if Cena performed better at MITB because of Chavo's comments, or if he was even aware of them. That said, it was good to see someone with actual wrestling experience call out the ridiculousness and boredom that had become a Cena match in recent years.
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Old 07-18-2011, 07:08 AM   #59
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Oh that was definitely all Cena, Punk, and the creative force. No credit to Chavo for "lighting a fire under his ass" at all, I think to assume that would be ridiculous. And I agree, this match was an all-time great, and it's the best thing I've ever seen from John Cena.

He has a terrible terrible bulldog though. I mean, he wasn't crisp, didn't turn into a great wrestler but he performed his ass off. You don't need to be a great wrestler to be a great wrestler.
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I mean, he wasn't crisp, didn't turn into a great wrestler but he performed his ass off..
Well worded. Easily the best thing I've ever seen from John Cena.
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Some of u are asking me to eat my words. I’ll give credit where credit is due. Cena & Punk DELIVERED! But why should we be wondering if Cena will show up? He is the highest paid wrestler in the industry & the backbone of the WWE… He should deliver EVERY night! No question! We Never said this about Taker or Michaels. U knew they would deliver every time they stepped foot in the ring. There was never a lazy Accusation with those 2. So what u should be saying is. It’s about time Cena gave the fans there moneys worth!

I’m very happy for Punk…If he’s resigning or not, he deserves it.Nobody has lot a fire in the WWE like that since Austin and I guarantee Cena makes 3-4 times if notMore than Punk. If u make that much, u should deliver every night, no if, ands, or buts! But that’s just me, weather I was making Mysterio Quit or putting over a little person, I gave it my all every night. Not for the money but cuz I have pride in my work and I respect this biz & the fans cuz they are what matters.

There’s always some1 seeing u for the first time & for the last time every night! That’s how every Wrestler should view this biz. Nit as a stepping stone to Hollywood but as way to deliver to the ppl who pay there hard earned money to Watch them every night!!!

Viva La Raza mother f’rs! just playing.. Dint hate!
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:09 AM   #62
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I have no interest in being fair. I feel like Chavo feels that the industry owes him something because of his last name, and frankly, he's unspectacular...unless he's dressed as Kerwin White, in which case he is amazing.
Except for the Kerwin White bit, isn't that true of all wrestlers who aren't with WWE?
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:19 AM   #63
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The big problem there, is Cena DOES give the fans their money's worth. That's why people keep paying specifically to see him. It's not what Chavo or the smarks seem to think they want, but it does seem to be what the fans want. Cena moves merch and sells tickets. He is asses in the seats, something that cannot be said for most wrestlers.

And if the fans aren't getting their money's worth, I'll say this: Stop rewarding a shit product. You're your own problem.

But the thing is, the people who actually pay money seem to be satisfied with the product. The people whining seem to generally be on the outside of things...Ironic, since Chavo's a wrestler, but not entirely false. You would think that a guy who spent years in WWE and decades in American wrestling period would understand Sports Entertainment.

But then, did people seriously ever doubt Punk/Cena? Seems to me, the IWC would have fapped if they had a thumb wrestling contest. All the while they would praise Punk's psychology and complain that Cena only used the same four moves because memes=reality and hypocrisy = integrity.

The bulk of paying fans were going to get what they wanted: Cena. The smarks were going to get what they wanted: Punk. WWE was going to get what they wanted: Money. It was win-win-win from the get-go.

Again, a lot of these people complaining are the same folkks who, only about an Era ago, would eat up the Rock's "Four moves of Doom."

No offense, Rock Bottom.
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Nah, I don't take offense, although I do think the doom set isn't enough of a parallel between Cena and Rock relative to Chavo's comments, although there are others.

In short, I marked out for Rock because he was a better performer, and delivered more often.
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He had a good match with Batista at Wrestlemania 26 and his promos leading up to the match were some of his best due to Batista also having some of his best promos at the time.

The problem is Cena for some reason goes back to his usual self after a great match or promo instead of improving and having another great match and promo in a row. Every great match he's had, the next ppv or match he tends to go back to normal instead of getting better.
Most of that was Batista carrying Cena. The match was good, but Batista delivered in a big way considering it was his final fued in WWE. All the attacks by Batista on Cena and his promos before were awesome. And that powerbomb on the steel steps still makes me mark out.

The problem with Cena is he hasn't evolved any since 2005. Chavo was only pointing out the obvious. I can definately see where Chavo was coming from, since Cena has been on cruise control. To some, it may appear to be bitterness, but Chavo was only saying what everyone else was thinking. I guess Punk being brutally honest is catching on...
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Rock had four moves of doom?

Anyways, Rock's matches never got nearly as formulaic and redundant as Cena's matches have become over the past few years. Cena's four moves of doom comeback was getting up there with the "Hulking Up" comeback in terms of ridiculous finishes.
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Anyways, Rock's matches never got nearly as formulaic and redundant as Cena's matches have become over the past few years. Cena's four moves of doom comeback was getting up there with the "Hulking Up" comeback in terms of ridiculous finishes.
You just accurately described Cena. He's a new version of Hulk Hogan. He relies on the same tired routine and never adds a move or breaks the sequence of them. The sad part is he can be a good wrestler when he is motivated. Instead he'd rather be a bad wrestler with above average mic skills. Chavo hit the nail on the head when he called Cena out for being lazy. I wonder how many wrestlers wish they could blast Cena too for making the whole company look bad. Especially when the chance of doing something special with CM Punk comes along...
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So Chavo had more to say. And he has a point. That being said, Cena didn't only deliver, he put on the match of the year with Punk. The piece of shit can perform. He should be doing it more often.

And who gives a fuck if Chavo is bitter, or whatever his reasons may be for posting negatively. As long as what he says is accurate, I'm going to agree. Again it amazes me how much people react to what professional wrestlers think of professional wrestling.
I hear what you're saying, but the reasons why people get so up in arms over what wrestlers think about wrestling is because alot of times they play right into fans hands.

For instance, the means of making random comments (Twitter) and the timing of it WREAKS so fucking bad of 'agenda', I can't even pour enough Luv My Carpet over it to cover up the stench.

That alone is just human nature. Everyone knows that this particular form of show business is one of the most physically grueling there is, unexempt from the everso atypical backstabbing, showboating favoritism and politics that abound in just most entertainment mediums.

When a person who just gets out of WWE, goes out of his way to take a hearty shit on a love him/hate him top performer IN the business, human nature's going to go, 9 times out of 10, "what's this guy's deal?". Or it could cause some fans to grin, most of whom was never crazy about John Cena to begin with.

And because Chavo has his share of fans and comes from a "name" in the industry, coupled with the ambiguousness of Cena's perception as a whole, kayfabe or not, why wouldn't it be discussed?

Hell, this website alone crows everytime a talent takes a cheap shot at another wrestler or company personality via Shitter. Sorry, Twitter.
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I find it difficult to take Chavo seriously because it seems to me that he feels that if he were given the opportunity, he could make more money than John Cena. He's delusional. Yes, he comes from a great wrestling family and he can put on a good match, but the man has no star power whatsoever.

Eddie did, but he doesn't. That's not enough to make anyone care about him, unfortunately.

There are some new comments from Chavo on the front page right now about how he thinks it should have been him in Rey's place after Eddie's death. This dude's grapes are beyond sour, and I'm sick of him. Even if what he's saying is completely correct, I can't say that I give a fuck about his opinion.
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I find it difficult to take Chavo seriously because it seems to me that he feels that if he were given the opportunity, he could make more money than John Cena. He's delusional. Yes, he comes from a great wrestling family and he can put on a good match, but the man has no star power whatsoever.
I think saying he has no star power whatsoever is wrong. Clearly the fans do care about Chavo, or else this topic wouldn't exist. While he may be delusional thinking he could be a bigger star than Cena, he definately could outperform him. And whether it comes off as being bitter or not, he's telling the truth. Nothing us fans haven't been saying for years now.

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I'm sure once upon a time, ppl thought Eddie didn't have any star power. In WCW, Eddie was perceived as a "vanilla midget" who would never draw. It's all about how you push someone. If you push someone as a joke for so long, it tends to overshadow any talent you have. The fans must care, b/c they got behind Chavo every chance they got. WWE royally screwed up using him, which is their loss.

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I know it comes across as sour grapes, but put yourself in Chavo's shoes. He had a good match with HHH that was over huge, then was never used again. Mysterio was used as a Eddie replacement, so I can understand Chavo's frustration. He was just as talented as Mysterio, but WWE chose to use Mysterio instead. He pretty much had been in WWE for 10 years, with no opportunities whatsoever. So, to say he's sour would be like saying anyone who told the truth is sour. CM Punk has done the same as Chavo, only on TV, but isn't perceived as a sour person. He's simply being brutally honest, and most ppl don't wanna hear it. Especially when it comes to calling out WWE for it's mistakes...
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I honestly have no recollection of this Chavo/HHH match. Was it over because of Chavo? Or was it over because Eddie had just died?
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On Eddie’s Passing: “I always thought the WWE really dropped the ball after Eddie passed. I always thought the WWE didn’t really want to cash in on Eddie’s death. But I remember wrestling Triple H and the fans really went crazy for it. But they went with Rey for WrestleMania 22. And I went into Vince’s office and told him that could be me. The fans could really get behind me. And instead that went into me turning heel and having a great program with Rey”
That makes it sound like HE wanted to capitalize off Eddie's death and not Rey.
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I honestly have no recollection of this Chavo/HHH match. Was it over because of Chavo? Or was it over because Eddie had just died?
Oh, you mean like Rey Mysterio's whole WHC push during that period??? WWE never would've used Mysterio otherwise. Chavo was over for the same reason Mysterio was, and that was sympathy. He certainly did as well in the ME as Mysterio...
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Mysterio was definitely more over than Chavo when Eddie was still alive.
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Mysterio was definitely more over than Chavo when Eddie was still alive.
Only b/c WWE put Mysterio in better fueds. Chavo's got more depth than Mysterio. Mysterio's been the same character for 10 years. He never evolves or can even pull off a successful heel run. Easy to be the underdog when you're the smallest guy on the WWE roster(well, other than Hornswaggle). If not for Mysterio capitalizing on Eddie's death, he'd still be stuck in the mid card or still in the cruiserweight division.

Mysterio only gets the reaction he does b/c he's marketed to kids and the younger demographic. I'd say most fans over 18 are tired of seeing Mysterio do the same boring stuff every week...
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Why is that Chavo was only entertaining when he was hanging around Eddie then?
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Only b/c WWE put Mysterio in better fueds. Chavo's got more depth than Mysterio. Mysterio's been the same character for 10 years. He never evolves or can even pull off a successful heel run. Easy to be the underdog when you're the smallest guy on the WWE roster(well, other than Hornswaggle). If not for Mysterio capitalizing on Eddie's death, he'd still be stuck in the mid card or still in the cruiserweight division.

Mysterio only gets the reaction he does b/c he's marketed to kids and the younger demographic. I'd say most fans over 18 are tired of seeing Mysterio do the same boring stuff every week...
Mysterio has been in some fantastic matches during his WWE tenure. As some people were discussing the other day, I can't even remember the last time I've seen a bad Mysterio match. Also, you can't say he can't be a successful heel if you've never even seen it attempted. The Filthy Animals were hardly heels before you bring that up.

The fact is that Mysterio DOES get a reaction, though. Why he does is irrelevant. He's a great in-ring performer, and he was definitely more over than Chavo at the time of his WHC push. He was a much better choice. The build up to it was great. The actual run itself was crap, but that was just the way it was booked, and really no fault of Rey's.

Now, I've seen a ton of Rey Mysterio matches and a pretty decent amount of Chavo Guerrero matches, and I can say with full confidence that Rey has always been more entertaining in the ring. I don't know what secret Chavo matches you've been attended where he's torn the house down, but I'd be willing to give it a go. The best I've ever seen Chavo was when he was teaming with Eddie, playing a pretty clear second fiddle.
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I think the one thing that really chaps my ass about Chavo's original comments towards Cena is when he said that getting over is easy. It's not. He hardly even knows about being over.
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Mysterio has been in some fantastic matches during his WWE tenure. As some people were discussing the other day, I can't even remember the last time I've seen a bad Mysterio match. Also, you can't say he can't be a successful heel if you've never even seen it attempted. The Filthy Animals were hardly heels before you bring that up.

The fact is that Mysterio DOES get a reaction, though. Why he does is irrelevant. He's a great in-ring performer, and he was definitely more over than Chavo at the time of his WHC push. He was a much better choice. The build up to it was great. The actual run itself was crap, but that was just the way it was booked, and really no fault of Rey's.

Now, I've seen a ton of Rey Mysterio matches and a pretty decent amount of Chavo Guerrero matches, and I can say with full confidence that Rey has always been more entertaining in the ring. I don't know what secret Chavo matches you've been attended where he's torn the house down, but I'd be willing to give it a go. The best I've ever seen Chavo was when he was teaming with Eddie, playing a pretty clear second fiddle.
I never said Mysterio was a bad in ring worker. I said he was a one dimensional character, which he is. He can't pull off a successful heel turn b/c he has no character. During his WHC push, he was over as much mainly due to Eddie's passing. Not really Rey's fault, but he wasn't even being considered for the ME until Eddie died.

As far as Chavo's in ring work, I'll admit it isn't as good. But, what do you expect from a guy in the low to mid card??? He can't "tear down the house" if he isn't given the in ring time to do it. I'm confident from his work I've seen in WCW and WWE, if he were in Rey's spot, he could do just as well. Hell, back when they were fueding Chavo held up his side really well. I'd dare to say he made the fued as much as Rey did. Unfortunately, we've only got to see rare glimpes of it.

As far as playing "second fiddle" to Eddie, he did well IMO. Them playing off of each other is what made the tag team work. So, to at least keep up with Eddie is an accomplishment in my book. He's done well with what WWE gave him to work with, which wasn't very much. There's a reason he survived in WWE for 10 years, and it wasn't b/c he sucked...
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I never said Chavo sucked either. I just don't think he has the star power to become a John Cena or somebody like that. I don't have a problem watching a Chavo match, but I think I'd be pretty underwhelmed with him anywhere above the middle of the card. I think he had some delusions of grandeur.
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